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zanmat0
188 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:05 Galaxy77 wrote: With very little practice or experience I can happily switch from T to P and still dominate most master GM players. I love how people throw this out without any supporting evidence whatsoever. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
however, in the sense of value for effort, terran has to be the easiest | ||
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soupiee
Canada2 Posts
sometimes u even have to hit t but i heard only grandmasters and above should attempt this | ||
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Russian Federation905 Posts
ive seen many posts like this closed immediately | ||
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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
Toss is easiest imo because they have chrono and with warp gate they don't get punished really for being out of position compared to terran and zerg. They also have some really basic micro with pretty much just FF being used and maybe some colossi dancing or storm micro rarely both. I don't think the difference is really that large though and a game will rarely be decided on the "easy" difference and will be due to player skill not tiny differences in the races. Some people prefer to look outwards and blame the other race instead of blaming their own play. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
Honestly, I had a change of heart. I thought they were just whining, but I found it much easier playing Terran than Zerg. It just fit my gameplay style better. It was intuitive to me stutter stepping, doing multiple drops, and whatnot. Having the remember to inject every 40 seconds just wasnt nearly as easy for me. It still isnt and I struggle to play at the same level as I did when I played terran. Having a bunch of zerglings just doesnt feel as powerful as a bunch of marines. Its more difficult dealing with early game aggression. I think its just me though. Some others I know have a much harder time playing Terran than Zerg. I guess its jsut play style differences. Im still stickin with Zerg though | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
So the poll data is ok, but the question that was actually asked is "What race do you consider the most annoying to deal with? So I'd personally go with Zerg, because in PvZ there is practically no room for error, and a million ways to insta-lose the game if you play a standard macro game because of zergs mobility, eco advantage, easy early-mid scouting denial and map control, fast reproduction and tech switches. At least for me its quite possible to lose to zergs that are a league or even two below mine, which almost never happens against protoss or terran. But is it zerg easy to play? I don't feel qualified to comment on that. The few games i played zerg sure didn't feel more easy or harder, just different. Also if you look at high profile matches over the course of the last year, all three races were consistently winning tournaments, so the "easy" race question in the end is decided by who is more vocal about his frustrations with another race. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
So it's ok, i think. PS: no definition of easy T.T . If there were alpha roaches, all Z would have to do is to press R against equally skilled oppponent. So Z would be easiest. So it's kinda balance question. | ||
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:21 youngminii wrote: a combination of 4 gate and and the warp gate mechanic makes protoss the 'easiest' however, in the sense of value for effort, terran has to be the easiest 4-gate is dead(or at least cripled to the point of not mattering), and the warp gate mechanic means that Toss has to watch the cool down intently because without the ability to cue a unit a second before the round of units finishes it is that much harder to stay on top of production. Not sure how those make Protoss easiest. | ||
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Where as zerg has to do the whole drone balancing which means scouting is KEY, toss can BASICALLY pick how they want to play and just do it. Not saying toss don't have to react, but they can generally dictate play so good that you're not all that worried about what your opponent is doing, while as a zerg you're always worried about just how much the opponent has, what composition he has and how likely he is to push you within a minute. While there are some relatively easy zerg strategies (spanishiwa opening into mass roach is quite easy to play decently effectively against standard toss) you will often be forced to play for the late game and be ready to react fast as hell to what the opponent deciedes to do, I find most toss strategies to be quite easy to play. Bear in mind, this is platinum level. I'm sure all races are way harder in masters and you will always need to play quite reactively, but toss is a race which any newbie can learn to macro decently with, learn 1-2 good builds and just play them always and do great. Chronoboost and warp in makes the toss army strong. Learning to use forcefields OK isn't hard at all and will improve your play a lot. Even a great zerg will have issues with gold level forcefields from a toss since there's not much you can do against them. Not saying toss is OP at all, it's not a question of balance. But I definitely feel a toss doesn't have to have even close to the gamesense and multitasking as a zerg of "the same level". For a zerg to outplay a toss, the zerg has to be quite a lot better (in lower leagues). EDIT: I guess my main point is that having great macro as toss makes you almost invincible in lower leagues, while having great macro as zerg doesn't mean you're going to win since the key is to make drones at the right times, not to just make them. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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Laurence
Ireland119 Posts
Protoss I feel is really easy to micro, putting your zealots in front is just a matter of laziness and (although great ffs are really hard) decent ffs are simple to do. As Protoss i just turtle and get a late game army. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
Learning Terran took me a loooooooong time. I found switching between 3-4 production facilities really hard at first. I can inject whole day, but this seemed quite tough to me. Micro is also much more important compared to other races. Learning build orders felt tough at start, because Zerg is practically free to do whatever he wants after the unit structures go down, but Terran is committed so you need to choose wisely. Protoss was my first race, and I never really got good at it so I don't really know what to say. But I voted Protoss, because Protoss takes the least micro out of three races, simply because of Colossus. About Macro, I find it also really easy with the warpgates. | ||
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done
Germany70 Posts
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:32 done wrote: protoss is the easiest and strongest race atm by a long shot... That is why protoss palyers are won the GSL and TSL, ohh wait... | ||
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TheQSGamer
United Kingdom182 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:32 done wrote: protoss is the easiest and strongest race atm by a long shot... Why...back it up? It may be easiest and strongest for you. But by that mentality. All Terran players and Zerg players will lose to Protoss...is that happening? No. Simple as. | ||
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On May 27 2011 19:34 TheQSGamer wrote: Why...back it up? It may be easiest and strongest for you. But by that mentality. All Terran players and Zerg players will lose to Protoss...is that happening? No. Simple as. Don't bring your 'logic' into a thread about imbalance. "back it up" as in like with facts??? you ask too much. | ||
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