On May 27 2011 19:05 Galaxy77 wrote:
With very little practice or experience I can happily switch from T to P and still dominate most master GM players.

I love how people throw this out without any supporting evidence whatsoever.

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

May 27 2011 10:21 GMT

#62

a combination of 4 gate and and the warp gate mechanic makes protoss the 'easiest'

however, in the sense of value for effort, terran has to be the easiest

soupiee

Canada2 Posts

May 27 2011 10:21 GMT

#63

terran is hardest because u have to hold down a to win

sometimes u even have to hit t but i heard only grandmasters and above should attempt this

Sovetsky Soyuz

Russian Federation905 Posts

May 27 2011 10:21 GMT

#64

amazing this reached 4 pages.
ive seen many posts like this closed immediately

tokicheese

Canada739 Posts

May 27 2011 10:23 GMT

#65

Zerg and Terran imo are tied because terran micro is fairly intensive with kiting, splits, drops, emps, sieges and what not while their macro is much easier with mule and supply drop. Zerg on the other hand is hard to macro with due to spawn larva while their micro is pretty much non existent other than spreading and fungal.

Toss is easiest imo because they have chrono and with warp gate they don't get punished really for being out of position compared to terran and zerg. They also have some really basic micro with pretty much just FF being used and maybe some colossi dancing or storm micro rarely both.

I don't think the difference is really that large though and a game will rarely be decided on the "easy" difference and will be due to player skill not tiny differences in the races. Some people prefer to look outwards and blame the other race instead of blaming their own play.

Supamang

United States2298 Posts

May 27 2011 10:24 GMT

#66

I was a Terran during beta and during season 1 ladder. I switched to Zerg because people were always complaining about how much harder it was and I wanted to see if it was true.

Honestly, I had a change of heart. I thought they were just whining, but I found it much easier playing Terran than Zerg. It just fit my gameplay style better. It was intuitive to me stutter stepping, doing multiple drops, and whatnot. Having the remember to inject every 40 seconds just wasnt nearly as easy for me. It still isnt and I struggle to play at the same level as I did when I played terran. Having a bunch of zerglings just doesnt feel as powerful as a bunch of marines. Its more difficult dealing with early game aggression.

I think its just me though. Some others I know have a much harder time playing Terran than Zerg. I guess its jsut play style differences. Im still stickin with Zerg though

Heavenly

2172 Posts

May 27 2011 10:24 GMT

#67

Good thing you defined "easiest" or this thread would've actually not made sense. Oh wait. Micro and macro? Um, both of those depend on your skills and the skill limit to perfect micro and macro are basically unreachable for all three races. People saying "I could switch to protoss and still win easily". If you understand the macro mechanics of any race you can switch to them. The reason switching to zerg would be hard is not because it's a hard race necessarily but because it's such a different playstyle.

perestain

Germany308 Posts

May 27 2011 10:24 GMT

#68

Hmm I think that only random players should be qualified to answer the question. Most people stick to one race in SC2 and are heavily biased to just call the race easiest against which they have the most frustrating losses, despite the lack in actual gameplay experience with that race.

So the poll data is ok, but the question that was actually asked is "What race do you consider the most annoying to deal with?

So I'd personally go with Zerg, because in PvZ there is practically no room for error, and a million ways to insta-lose the game if you play a standard macro game because of zergs mobility, eco advantage, easy early-mid scouting denial and map control, fast reproduction and tech switches. At least for me its quite possible to lose to zergs that are a league or even two below mine, which almost never happens against protoss or terran.

But is it zerg easy to play? I don't feel qualified to comment on that. The few games i played zerg sure didn't feel more easy or harder, just different.

Also if you look at high profile matches over the course of the last year, all three races were consistently winning tournaments, so the "easy" race question in the end is decided by who is more vocal about his frustrations with another race.

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

May 27 2011 10:25 GMT

#69

Comments aren't the main point of this thread, the poll is.
So it's ok, i think.

PS: no definition of easy T.T . If there were alpha roaches, all Z would have to do is to press R against equally skilled oppponent. So Z would be easiest. So it's kinda balance question.

StrangrDangr

United States291 Posts

May 27 2011 10:25 GMT

#70

On May 27 2011 19:21 youngminii wrote:
a combination of 4 gate and and the warp gate mechanic makes protoss the 'easiest'

however, in the sense of value for effort, terran has to be the easiest

4-gate is dead(or at least cripled to the point of not mattering), and the warp gate mechanic means that Toss has to watch the cool down intently because without the ability to cue a unit a second before the round of units finishes it is that much harder to stay on top of production. Not sure how those make Protoss easiest.

legaton

France1763 Posts

May 27 2011 10:28 GMT

#71

I would vote Zerg for most self-entitled race.I don't know if that means they are the hardest to play, but they may become the hardest to stand.

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

May 27 2011 10:29 GMT

#72

Zerg is most easiest for me... after 2k+ games in team as zergs

Tobberoth

Sweden6375 Posts

May 27 2011 10:30 GMT

#73

Definitely toss. I played toss when SC2 was released then switched to zerg which I main now. Played nothing but zerg for months, then started trying toss again and was doing great.

Where as zerg has to do the whole drone balancing which means scouting is KEY, toss can BASICALLY pick how they want to play and just do it. Not saying toss don't have to react, but they can generally dictate play so good that you're not all that worried about what your opponent is doing, while as a zerg you're always worried about just how much the opponent has, what composition he has and how likely he is to push you within a minute.

While there are some relatively easy zerg strategies (spanishiwa opening into mass roach is quite easy to play decently effectively against standard toss) you will often be forced to play for the late game and be ready to react fast as hell to what the opponent deciedes to do, I find most toss strategies to be quite easy to play.

Bear in mind, this is platinum level. I'm sure all races are way harder in masters and you will always need to play quite reactively, but toss is a race which any newbie can learn to macro decently with, learn 1-2 good builds and just play them always and do great. Chronoboost and warp in makes the toss army strong. Learning to use forcefields OK isn't hard at all and will improve your play a lot. Even a great zerg will have issues with gold level forcefields from a toss since there's not much you can do against them.

Not saying toss is OP at all, it's not a question of balance. But I definitely feel a toss doesn't have to have even close to the gamesense and multitasking as a zerg of "the same level". For a zerg to outplay a toss, the zerg has to be quite a lot better (in lower leagues).

EDIT: I guess my main point is that having great macro as toss makes you almost invincible in lower leagues, while having great macro as zerg doesn't mean you're going to win since the key is to make drones at the right times, not to just make them.

RaLakedaimon

United States1564 Posts

May 27 2011 10:30 GMT

#74

I don't think any race is easy, its all about the user and has nothing to do with the races. Each one has its distinct advantages which makes one facet of it "easier" to pull off something as compared to another but I wouldn't ever say an entire race is easy. Tbh I don't think this is a good topic to discuss since there are always gonna be those people who say "mules ez win" or "mass lings" and always the "make invisible wall into gg". There all hard! :D

Laurence

Ireland119 Posts

May 27 2011 10:30 GMT

#75

I don't play random but I change race every week or 2 weeks just because i find SC2 more fun and varied that way. Personally i find Protoss by far the easiest, but i may just be a much better Protoss than i am a terran or zerg. I find it hard to scout as zerg so you can get hit with a lot of different all ins which each require a very different response. Terran i find very APM intensive (drops and constantly paying attention to your army) and a mismicro can really lose you a game you were previously in the lead of.
Protoss I feel is really easy to micro, putting your zealots in front is just a matter of laziness and (although great ffs are really hard) decent ffs are simple to do. As Protoss i just turtle and get a late game army.

Bleak

Turkey3059 Posts

May 27 2011 10:31 GMT

#76

I have tried all races, and having tried them all, my opinion is that Zerg feels easier to me. The difficulty is finding windows to drone up while your opponent tries to stop you, but if you succeed in droning without getting crippled, Zerg has a huge advantage and a huge freedom to techswitch whenever he likes.

Learning Terran took me a loooooooong time. I found switching between 3-4 production facilities really hard at first. I can inject whole day, but this seemed quite tough to me. Micro is also much more important compared to other races. Learning build orders felt tough at start, because Zerg is practically free to do whatever he wants after the unit structures go down, but Terran is committed so you need to choose wisely.

Protoss was my first race, and I never really got good at it so I don't really know what to say. But I voted Protoss, because Protoss takes the least micro out of three races, simply because of Colossus. About Macro, I find it also really easy with the warpgates.

done

Germany70 Posts

May 27 2011 10:32 GMT

#77

protoss is the easiest and strongest race atm by a long shot...

StrangrDangr

United States291 Posts

May 27 2011 10:33 GMT

#78

On May 27 2011 19:32 done wrote:
protoss is the easiest and strongest race atm by a long shot...

That is why protoss palyers are won the GSL and TSL, ohh wait...

TheQSGamer

United Kingdom182 Posts

May 27 2011 10:34 GMT

#79

On May 27 2011 19:32 done wrote:
protoss is the easiest and strongest race atm by a long shot...

Why...back it up? It may be easiest and strongest for you. But by that mentality. All Terran players and Zerg players will lose to Protoss...is that happening? No. Simple as.

StrangrDangr

United States291 Posts

May 27 2011 10:36 GMT

#80

On May 27 2011 19:34 TheQSGamer wrote:

Show nested quote +

Why...back it up? It may be easiest and strongest for you. But by that mentality. All Terran players and Zerg players will lose to Protoss...is that happening? No. Simple as.

Don't bring your 'logic' into a thread about imbalance. "back it up" as in like with facts??? you ask too much.