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On March 20 2011 07:28 Zaphid wrote:
Majority of people who watch football would have trouble sprinting across the whole field, simple really.
I like football. But I only kick with some friends maybe once every 2-3 months. But I'd say I watch at least 2 games a week (when CL/EL is up more). I meet with my friends, we drink beer & have fun. Or we chat on Teamspeak / IRC while the games are happening.
It's similiar for SC2. When I play I play with friends (XvX (with X > 1)) or we play 1on1s against each other and the other guys watch while badmannering our bad playstyle on TS (or joke about race imbalance "Z OP" "T OP" "P OP"). But we also watch some stuff together (GSL finals, 1st round of TSL, ...).
(Our group is made up from Bronze - Diamond guys).
Watching stuff together, while drinking & joking around is more fun for us, compared to each one playing alone.
On a more personal note - I'm feel that I get older (25+). It's just more exhausting to play than to watch (I need to take a break after 1hour of playing 1on1s). I kinda miss those days when I could play 8hours straight without taking a break 
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is more fun to watch a stream of sc2 then actually learn how to play the game from a beginners perspective
why?
because it's more entertaining in accordance to time spent.
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Also, I wasnt trying to target this thread at people who watch sc2 occasionally on a stream or VODs on their computers, but more-so about the people who go out of their way to go to physical sc2 events and whatnot, and the people who are walking around talking about wanting to spread esports and their love of esports, who im assuming arent the people who casually play the game and watch the latest big tournament or catch someones stream when they have some free time
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On March 20 2011 07:34 Kelethius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 07:30 VarpuliS wrote:On March 20 2011 07:28 Zaphid wrote:
Majority of people who watch football would have trouble sprinting across the whole field, simple really.
^^ this Thats makes equally little sense to me
How good you are at something =/= how much you like it.
Somebody could play a lot and not be very good, and still be in bronze. Somebody could play VERY little and be in diamond. The bronze player could love the game more than the diamond player. My only point is that you can be in a low league and still love the game.
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my question is how he could possibly enjoy the game. People here are saying how easy it is to watch sc2 and understand whats going on, when realistically its like complete opposite. What is actually going on in the minds of those players is incredibly difficult to understand. How can you appreciate and find that entertaining when its something completely unknown to someone whose never even played a single game of sc2.
Well my friend did play a few RTSes before, work/girlfriend/babies keeps him away from playing videogames a lot, or even a few sadly... I think sc2 lures many watchers is due to the fact that it is (supposed to be?) a well balanced game (and i'll go further saying "RTS") and we have to be honest sc2 have often awesome commentators 
You know, sc2 and BW before are cool games, people like to watch it, play it, abuse it! because it's so good! We all need to have those kinda things i think, like football or rugby, strippers, rodeo riders being roflstomped by angry cows... also, girls korean bands singing before an unbalanced game, no i mean... you dont want to be trampled by a cow of course, but admit its fun to watch someone actually enjoying it. Okay guys im stoned im starting to speak non sense.
My point is, watching is easier than actually doing. But its still fun.
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I barely play Starcraft 2, it might go months from one game to the next.
But I LOVE following Starcraft 2 as a sport. As I do with Football, American Football, Hockey, Cycling, almost every winter sport, Tennis, Track & Field etc etc
I play these sports in the same fashion I do Starcraft, casually. It might go months, years between. I still LOVE them.
I need to follow sports as much as I need to breathe.
Problem is a little something called time, I can't juggle all of my passions plus work, sleep and everything else going on in life.
If I had infinite time I would be awesome at everything I love, but I don't and that's the reason I don't play.
Edit: And yeah, I am one of those guys going around talking about wanting to spread esports.
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[citation needed]
The entire OP is based on an unproven, purely anecdotal premise.
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I think it's alot like a real sport, alot of people love to watch hockey or whatever sport and have never played it in anyway or very little, as for me I play tons of different sports and don't really enjoy watching them unless its at a buddies house with some drinks. Otherwise even though I played hockey for years I never enjoyed watching it, the only sport I do really enjoy watching is lacrosse and that isn't on often at all. So SC2 seems to have a similiar thing where it is a very interesting thing to observe and see what will happen next, and even feel strongly for one team I.E. an actual team like OGS or just a race you route for like Zerg or even a player you really feel strongly about like Mc, or July. It is really the same as an actual sport in how people watch the game, alot watch not as many play
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Doesn't take an artist to appreciate a beautiful painting.
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At least my friends who dont own the game but still watch streams/VODs tell me they are just hyped up over Esports in general and SC2 is the biggest boy on the block right now. They also follow the ETF2L(European Team fortress 2 Leauge) without playing the game, simply because its easy to get hyped up crisp play.
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On March 20 2011 08:34 hmunkey wrote:
[citation needed]
The entire OP is based on an unproven, purely anecdotal premise.
NO citation needed, thats totally true
Look at Husky and HD, do you think that their incredible amount of subscribers all play SC2? Let alone at a high level? Frankly, i never liked them very much because im more hardcore and i want to improve, which is the same mindset as a majority of people here. It entertains them, simply.
I dont watch regular sports because they dont entertain me, but i watched sc2 before i ever played the game (and i never played BW), and i enjoyed it. You have to remove your bias and accept that people dont need to play it to like it.
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A friend of mine never played Starcraft 2 (he is into gaming in general though) but he watches the game a lot (GSL and such).
I played the game for a while, but I barely played for the last two months or so. Basically, I don't play anymore, but I still watch the game, because it's entertaining.
Also, the friend I mentioned has quite some knowledge about the game just from watching. He can understand quite a lot of what's going on without ever having played the game.
I don't really see why it's hard to understand that people who don't play the game (or don't play much) like watching it. It's entertaining, so people watch it. It's as simple as that.
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Football stadiums dont fill up with athletes you know...
Frankly, after reading all the OP messages I dont think it is possible to make him understand it, looks like he is above the average understanding level to the point of neglecting valid reasons. I have a friend like that, Imposible to reason.
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As long as you understand how the game works, you can REALLY enjoy watching it. My friend is the perfect example. He has played Halo, and Starcraft a couple times, never really getting into Starcraft. Yet he a Fanboy 101 when it comes to watching MLG Halo or GSL Starcraft tournaments. He has his favourite moments, fav. teams, and fav. players. He follows it all religiously.
It's just plain entertaining to watch the best of the best play, seeing insane micro/macro at work is really enjoyable . Some BM lulz is always fun too.
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Most people don't play the sports they watch, even casually. Why should it be different for sc2?
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I only play around 1 game a week but I watch hours upon hours of streams and games. Just today + yesterday I watched the FXOpen qualifier, GSL championship, TSL3, justin.tv invitational and some other streams. I'm only in silver league and playing the game just isn't as fun as watching it for me. When I'm playing I don't get a rush like I do watching when two players are multitasking and microing and macroing all at the same time. I get supply blocked, end up with a trust fund and forget to build units a lot and it's not fun to have to play a ton in order to get better.
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If you look at Bronze and Silver league players a lot of them actually have pretty surprising amounts of games played actually. I think its just a different mind set, some people play to get better always ( I am this way ). Some people can have fun just kind of messing around and aren't bothered as much at being semi-stagnant I guess. I personally just can't have fun if I don't feel like I'm always improving and aiming for the top. I've seen plenty of low ranked players though whenever I enter custom games who have over 1000 or even 2000 1v1 ladder games played and their sitting in Gold league or even lower while there are many people in my Masters division with under 500 1v1 ladder games played ( myself included ).
Anyways my point is, don't discount someones time investment solely on their league, some people just aren't really concerned much with becoming high level players.
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I dont know if you can compare a group of people who have never played sc2 finding a stream/vod entertaining to a group of people who have never played sc2 going to blizzcon or random sc2 lans
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There's a lot to love about sc2 without playing it really heavily. As earlier posts pointed out, plenty of people around the world are not very coordinated/particularly physically fit/have any innate skill at a sport, yet they may follow a team enthusiastically, buy tickets to watch games for thousands of dollars in person, spend hours on their fantasy teams, and enthusiastically post discussion and debate about games.
Anything that invites people to come together to have fun viewing (not just playing) and participating in a community has a great possibility of attracting many followers who 'love' the game, but aren't very good at themselves. Not everyone can be masters/diamond. Anyone who takes the time to watch some commentary can pick up the idea of how the game works without becoming a pro at it. The commentators have a good understanding of the game and can explain to people all the subtle things you claim someone who doesn't play can never fully appreciate. That is fully enough to watch something like the TSL and be blown away by the excitement and epicness of the games. You can spend lots of time watching something like that, playing some casual team games, and interacting with people in streams and chats.
For many people, 1v1 ladder is kind of scary and daunting to start out on. They are having fun where they're at, and see no reason to go into all the hard work of being the diamond/master level player you suggest people who love the game will end up being. It would be great if everyone played, but there's not one narrow way to enjoy the game of sc2, and that's part of what's so wonderful about it.
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i'm sorry but the OP stinks of elitist crap. I'm a HUGE fan of e-sports. Why do I have to be awesome at SC to enjoy it. Just because I can not technically manage all of those things you spoke of: Drone timing, micro, etc. doesn't mean I can't understand them when they are being done. Also its an entirely false statement that everyone with half a brain can reach masters. Masters is 2% of the population. 2% can never be 40% much less 90%. Your posts show that maybe you can play SC well but you seem to lack the ability to reason. Makes me question your age.
-Cent
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