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pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
March 20 2011 11:00 GMT
#121
I like watching and analyzing but i don't play the game, just as i like watching and analyzing soccer games. And yes even if i don't play the game i can understand everything just fine, just as a soccer coach doesn't have to be a good soccer player i don't have to be a good sc2 player to understand the game.
Tudi
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania127 Posts
March 20 2011 13:39 GMT
#122
I highly doubt a lot of people are watching starcraft 2 because of "pretty explosions" and the like but what do I know? maybe some do that as well ;-)


Maybe not continuously watch it for the pretty explosions, since they get boring after a while, but it's definitely something that catches their eye at first. My gf saw me watching some replay where I charged my mass speedling/baneling army into his mass queen and it ended up with a huge bang of green stuff :D I doubt she knew what went on, but the sight was so awesome that she started asking what that was and eventually got into watching and understanding the game.
antikk
Profile Joined February 2011
15 Posts
March 20 2011 13:43 GMT
#123
Whoever came up with the term e-sports should be shot.

But on topic, for any "sport" to be succesful in any way it requires spectators. No spectators, no pros, no competition.

I would have thought that was fairly obvious no?
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
March 20 2011 14:03 GMT
#124
my skill level, attitude and time spent at the game are similar to the author, so can't really tell why -.-
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
March 20 2011 14:07 GMT
#125
On March 20 2011 22:43 antikk wrote:
Whoever came up with the term e-sports should be shot.

But on topic, for any "sport" to be succesful in any way it requires spectators. No spectators, no pros, no competition.

I would have thought that was fairly obvious no?

Why is e-sports a bad term?

E-sports, Electronic sports.
Ball-sports, Sports using a ball.

And so on.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
antikk
Profile Joined February 2011
15 Posts
March 20 2011 14:15 GMT
#126
On March 20 2011 23:07 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 22:43 antikk wrote:
Whoever came up with the term e-sports should be shot.

But on topic, for any "sport" to be succesful in any way it requires spectators. No spectators, no pros, no competition.

I would have thought that was fairly obvious no?

Why is e-sports a bad term?

E-sports, Electronic sports.
Ball-sports, Sports using a ball.

And so on.



When was the last time they changed the shape of the ball in football? Or changed the maximum number of players on the field?

I dont think the games we play can ever be called a sport because the game itself is constantly being changed (patches, expansions, sequels). But I dont want to deviate too far from the topic, gaming as a sport discussion is far beyond the scope of this thread.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 14:21:25
March 20 2011 14:20 GMT
#127
Nothing strange with people watching and not playing. The reason you find it strange is beause you don't see Starcraft as a sport.

If this was a Formula 1 forum, MMA forum or any other sports forum you wouldn't see threads like this popping up where people are surprised that you don't actually drive race cars on your spare time or get into a cage with your friends trying to submit or knockout each other.

I watch a lot of sports but in reality I do a bit running (I never watch running though because I find it boring to watch) and occasional play some tennis.

Same goes for Starcraft. Sure, i play some but I love to watch GSL on my tv eating sandwich and drinking coca cola , cheer in live threads and/or chats.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 14:24:25
March 20 2011 14:22 GMT
#128
This thread is basically OP going "how can people enjoy SC2 from a different perspective than my own??", being told how and then him just going "how?? I don't believe it!" over and over again. It's stupid. I think the OP is just secretly pissed off that people who aren't good enjoy watching the game more than he does.

People who play casually / don't play at all can enjoy the game. People who don't play can come to understand the game. We have commentators to explain the to the people who don't know it that well.
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
March 20 2011 14:31 GMT
#129
Leme /thread this real quick for you.

How many people watch NBA? But how many play in NBA?
How many people watch NFL? But how many play in NFL?
How many people watch NHL? But how many play in NHL?
How many people watch MMA? But how many fight in MMA?
How many people watch F1? But how many participate in F1?
How many people watch (insert huge spectator sport)? But how many play in (it)?

Spectating will always be more common than participating.



"Everybody gotta die some time, righ'?" - Wraith Pilot
simbot
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia95 Posts
March 20 2011 14:33 GMT
#130
I don't mind watching counterstrike but goddamn is it a bad game to play
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
March 20 2011 14:37 GMT
#131
Because personally i'd rather watch a Starcraft 2 tournament game then i watch some football or tennis game.

I've grown up playing games, so i can relate myself to the games and players and find it interesting. And especially if someone like day9 or tastosis is casting who make a nice show of it.
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Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
March 20 2011 15:09 GMT
#132
On March 20 2011 07:25 Kelethius wrote: What I guess this really stems down to is perhaps something wrong on my end. I see love for the game and time spent playing it as extremely strongly positively correlated (people who love it the most, play it the most). But anytime I watch a podcast or stream, or interview or whatever type of video coverage, the people making the most effort to go out and ask questions, talk to streamers/players in person, make comments about esports and love for the game, always seem to be the lowest level players (or non-players all together)


This is a wrong perception on your part, love of any given sport or activity does not correlate with a given persons ability or the amount that they personally participate in it. The desire to play and relative skill level is completely separate from the wish to see said sport/activity prosper and desire for involvement in said prosperity.

‘Real’ sports example, the majority of coaches, organisers, promoters (etc) of sports aren’t necessarily all that good at them. Coaches need a strong understanding of the sport but not actual ‘mechanical’ ability in the sport, organisers and promoters only need a basic understanding of the sport (but importantly need a strong understanding of their target audience). These people may not actually have that much, or any, ability in their respective sports but want to see and aid growth for their own reasons.

E-sports is very small and niche in the sporting world and is still largely a grassroots effort, this creates a stronger community than other sports will have (football for example is a collective of many communities which makes a larger whole). This puts more emphasis on the individuals than a football fan will feel, because it is so small ‘I’ can do something to make a difference, every small effort counts since there aren’t TV deals worth hundreds of millions being bounced around, so everyone who buys a premium ticket for Gom or NASL or who turns off adblock for streams and sites can make a contribution (however small, it adds up in this small market situation).

Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
Raii
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Philippines194 Posts
March 20 2011 16:18 GMT
#133
On March 20 2011 08:58 Centorian wrote:
i'm sorry but the OP stinks of elitist crap. I'm a HUGE fan of e-sports. Why do I have to be awesome at SC to enjoy it. Just because I can not technically manage all of those things you spoke of: Drone timing, micro, etc. doesn't mean I can't understand them when they are being done. Also its an entirely false statement that everyone with half a brain can reach masters. Masters is 2% of the population. 2% can never be 40% much less 90%. Your posts show that maybe you can play SC well but you seem to lack the ability to reason. Makes me question your age.

-Cent


Just a question, how does age have anything to do with the discussion?

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It's ridiculous and utterly insane when people think of age as a sole criterion for judging a poster's comprehensive skills.

Elitist crap you say? Looking down on "younger people" is in itself a twisted perspective.
Sorry if I had to target your post directly, but really there is something very wrong with the way you think.
Interesting comeback. How long did it take you make one?
PirateFX
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia252 Posts
March 20 2011 16:27 GMT
#134
On March 20 2011 20:00 pezit wrote:
I like watching and analyzing but i don't play the game, just as i like watching and analyzing soccer games. And yes even if i don't play the game i can understand everything just fine, just as a soccer coach doesn't have to be a good soccer player i don't have to be a good sc2 player to understand the game.


Same here . Never played starcraft 2, don't have any intention of playing it either (No time). Nevertheless, i follow the SC2 scene very closely and its been hugely entertaining.
Insouciant
Profile Joined July 2010
United States47 Posts
March 20 2011 16:35 GMT
#135
You are completely ignorant of a very important point. (idk if this was mentioned since im writing from my phone) if everyone in the whole world played all day with perfect execution, there would still be a certain percentage of people in each division.

To offer some hyperbole, saying that "if everyone tried, they would all be diamond or better" is like saying "if every basketball player tried, they would all be in the nba"

Masters is the top two percent, eventually for everybody getting into masters, there will be somebody forced out
You're about as useful as a one-legged man in an arse kicking contest.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
March 20 2011 16:36 GMT
#136
I've been playing Starcraft 2 since early beta, be it at a very slow pace. I managed to get into platinum and stay there though, but I haven't played a single 1v1 in weeks because I don't have time for it and/or don't feel like it. I do actively follow SC2 e-sports, however.

It's nice to see the player level evolve, and the new GSL maps have really added to the intensity of the game, but I'm afraid we'll still have to wait a couple of years before the game reaches brood war-levels in terms of skill; games are not quite as interesting as brood war games. They're generally pretty one-sided and I'm yet to see a really nice comeback that isn't caused by the winning player starting to slack.
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
March 20 2011 16:42 GMT
#137
As a former athlete I just appreciate skill whether it's in eSports, Snooker, Chess, Football, Hockey etc. It's a thing of beauty really.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Anon06
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States203 Posts
March 20 2011 17:06 GMT
#138
could be the fantasy aspect, could be the social aspect, could just be adrenaline.

fantasy: wanting to be famous/good at something so they experience this through proxy of proplayers.
social: something to talk about with your buddies/enjoying being part of the cheering crowd.
entertainment/excitement: do you think people in gladiatorial times wanted to go into an arena and kill or be killed? no, but they sure as hell liked to watch that shit.
judging: its easier to criticize others then to do it yourself.


CodECleaR
Profile Joined November 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-20 17:29:10
March 20 2011 17:28 GMT
#139
Spectator Sport.

It's why there's so many people watching monday night football on the couch who blow at football.
How do you beat a terran who's hardcore turtling off 3 base? Flip him on his back and walk away."
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
March 20 2011 17:49 GMT
#140
First, I think your assumption that simply playing the game will make you a diamond/masters player. Since the leagues are based off percentages of the active population, if everyone played more, the same amount of players would still be in the same leagues. Also if it were simply the case that practicing more makes you an infinitely better player this is false. While everyone can improve, the skill ceiling for each player will be different, no matter how hard they train. If this were not the case professional athletes would not be paid millions as they would not be such a rare commodity.

Second, I think you are forgetting one factor. Casters. Casters make all the difference in the world. A good caster breaks down the game in a way that someone completely new to the game can understand the strategic plays and even the emotion of the game as the balance of power shifts back and forth.

To speak from personal experience, I took my wife to BlizzCon in 09 and her original plan was to hang out at the hotel and lay out by the pool and visit the spa, but I encouraged her to come and watch a few games. She begrudgingly agreed and actually enjoyed the games (WC3) even though she had never played the game. She even got to the point where she looked at the schedule and went to the rest of the casted games and ended up routing for Lyn who won the whole tournament, besting my favorite player at the time Grubby.
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