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On March 15 2009 15:28 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. no, flash doing 14cc is ridiculously stupid. can you explain why flash 14ccs so much? he's a superior player who doesn't need these risky, stupid build orders to win, especially in TvT. just do a standard, safe build order and let your skills do the work flash, why go for the cheap advantage? its seriously really stupid.
Because if he plays standard vs his opponent's 14cc, there's a chance he might not be able to catch up.
vs hwasin on desti, he did everything right, but just could never catch up to hwasin's earlier cc
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On March 15 2009 15:29 GeLaar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:27 ShloobeR wrote:On March 15 2009 15:26 abakben wrote:
Wow I can not believe all the Fantasy hate. When Hoejja used a cheese it was beautiful but when Fantasy used it, it was lame. thats because no one likes fantasy I like Fantasy. More and more, with every game he wins. The more consistent he becomes, the more I like him. And I hope he uses the Valk build every single TvZ as long as it works. I don't see why nobody is bashing Flash for being so fucking predictable. Even Bisu said he now felt comfortable playing him, because Flash is so stubborn and insist on sticking to the same build. Anyway, getting side-tracked. Go Fantasy!
1) ARE YOU READING THE THREAD?!?? like half the people are bashing flash.
2) Fantasy is far from consistent.
3) The Valk build was getting destroyed every game before Luxury, who decided to counter it
with the very thing it was designed to destroy
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On March 15 2009 15:31 Eternity241 wrote:
This game is probably the deciding game now. If fantasy loses to lux I doubt Best can take him down.
Lux for some reason can't beat Best. Plus it's Medusa.
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On March 15 2009 15:30 rushz0rz wrote:No streams work for me. 
Yea, I know. Very sad, I can't watch squat.
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stop bashing guys. for god's sake if you are up against a more superior player like Flash, obviously you want to end the game early. As for Flash, i dun know why he's doing 14 CC so often. Just like Hot Bid said, he has great game mechanics, he's just too greedy.
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On March 15 2009 15:30 LosingID8 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. it wasn't a BBS. it was a center rax which in itself is not that horrible. if you saw fantasy's main, he got gas at fairly standard timing. my guess is that he predicted that there was a very high chance of flash going 14cc so this build would punish him for it. if flash was going standard he would have a nice transition into standard play with earlier rax float scouting.
Sorry, doesn't BBS just stand for "Barracks Before Supply"? I dunno, I always kind of assumed that, so if I'm misusing the term then sorry. But that's what I meant if BBS is something else.
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On March 15 2009 15:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 maareek wrote:On March 15 2009 15:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
If someone 14CCs, why don't they at least scout, honestly! If you've decided to 14 CC, there's not much point. If they do a build that would make you not want to 14 CC, you'll still be fucked by the time you scout it. It's a build you decide before the game starts, not one that relies on the opponent. If Flash scouted the middle after he finished that supply depot, the game would've been a lot different.
If fantasy had gone for a standard build he'd have been way behind. And a late rax, say, 13rax can't beat a proxy rax anyway.
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On March 15 2009 15:30 zhaoli86 wrote:
Well boxer is known for playing non-standard. People didn't give him this much shit than fantasy it seems.
Because he's boxer..
remember when people gave shit to Jangbi for proxying Nada twice in a Bo5?
And when Much/Free used DTs to beat NaDa and Mind and win their team a match in the WL?
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this is not that surprising..
fantasy always goes forward 8 rax into standard play TvT...
hell he even did it against Tester in the OSL (a protoss)
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On March 15 2009 15:32 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:30 LosingID8 wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. it wasn't a BBS. it was a center rax which in itself is not that horrible. if you saw fantasy's main, he got gas at fairly standard timing. my guess is that he predicted that there was a very high chance of flash going 14cc so this build would punish him for it. if flash was going standard he would have a nice transition into standard play with earlier rax float scouting. Sorry, doesn't BBS just stand for "Barracks Before Supply"? I dunno, I always kind of assumed that, so if I'm misusing the term then sorry. But that's what I meant if BBS is something else.
2rax before supply
each b stands for a rax
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On March 15 2009 15:32 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:30 LosingID8 wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. it wasn't a BBS. it was a center rax which in itself is not that horrible. if you saw fantasy's main, he got gas at fairly standard timing. my guess is that he predicted that there was a very high chance of flash going 14cc so this build would punish him for it. if flash was going standard he would have a nice transition into standard play with earlier rax float scouting. Sorry, doesn't BBS just stand for "Barracks Before Supply"? I dunno, I always kind of assumed that, so if I'm misusing the term then sorry. But that's what I meant if BBS is something else.
Barracks Barracks Supply
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They're showing footage from way back when...
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On March 15 2009 15:28 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. no, flash doing 14cc is ridiculously stupid. can you explain why flash 14ccs so much? he's a superior player who doesn't need these risky, stupid build orders to win, especially in TvT. just do a standard, safe build order and let your skills do the work flash, why go for the cheap advantage? its seriously really stupid.
This....
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On March 15 2009 15:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
i can't believe people are mad at fantasy for not playing standard when flash did a 14cc and was punished for it. 8 rax ONLY hard counters 14cc, every other build you're behind lol, 8 rax isn't even that risky or cheesy in tvt.
This, fantasy knows flash inside and out because they play together so much, was just really smart by fantasy
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On March 15 2009 15:32 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:30 LosingID8 wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. it wasn't a BBS. it was a center rax which in itself is not that horrible. if you saw fantasy's main, he got gas at fairly standard timing. my guess is that he predicted that there was a very high chance of flash going 14cc so this build would punish him for it. if flash was going standard he would have a nice transition into standard play with earlier rax float scouting. Sorry, doesn't BBS just stand for "Barracks Before Supply"? I dunno, I always kind of assumed that, so if I'm misusing the term then sorry. But that's what I meant if BBS is something else.
Believe it's Barrack barrack supply.
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On March 15 2009 15:29 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. Fantasys build was not BBS was it? Just 8rax before supply and then kind of standard continuation I think it was.
edit: true, he had gas..
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On March 15 2009 15:32 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:30 LosingID8 wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss. it wasn't a BBS. it was a center rax which in itself is not that horrible. if you saw fantasy's main, he got gas at fairly standard timing. my guess is that he predicted that there was a very high chance of flash going 14cc so this build would punish him for it. if flash was going standard he would have a nice transition into standard play with earlier rax float scouting. Sorry, doesn't BBS just stand for "Barracks Before Supply"? I dunno, I always kind of assumed that, so if I'm misusing the term then sorry. But that's what I meant if BBS is something else.
BBS means two rax before supply. That's what the two Bs mean ^^
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On March 15 2009 15:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
i can't believe people are mad at fantasy for not playing standard when flash did a 14cc and was punished for it. 8 rax ONLY hard counters 14cc, every other build you're behind lol
I think lots of people are really disappointed. I, for example, expected an epic TvT from both players (of course I hoped that Flash will win but even if he loses after epic game I wouldn't feel bad). But this way I feel I have been cheated/robbed from a good game.
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BBS = Barracks Barracks Supply
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On March 15 2009 15:30 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off. are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build
Did you read what I wrote? I implied that if Fantasy played FlaSh straight up he would have lost. That's why he decided to cheese; there was a probability that FlaSh would 14cc and he got lucky.
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