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On March 15 2009 15:28 maareek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
If someone 14CCs, why don't they at least scout, honestly! If you've decided to 14 CC, there's not much point. If they do a build that would make you not want to 14 CC, you'll still be fucked by the time you scout it. It's a build you decide before the game starts, not one that relies on the opponent.
If Flash scouted the middle after he finished that supply depot, the game would've been a lot different.
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On March 15 2009 15:28 eatmyshorts5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:27 Coffee wrote:On March 15 2009 15:23 JWD wrote:On March 15 2009 15:22 Coffee wrote:On March 15 2009 15:21 ShloobeR wrote:
fantasy is such a tard
haha my god poor flash
why can't fantasy just play standard for once cause then he'd lose every single game, i fucking hate that douche and im not even a flash fan calm down.... no. What is your problem guys. THIS GUY ALMOST WON A STARLEAGE. He almost became a royal roader.
we each have our own favourites and i just dislike fantasy always have. its not an insult to other people if you dont like the same players they do.
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Fantasy cheesed with 8rax in middle hoping flash would 14nexus.
I guess fantasy consider himself the lesser player in tvt.
14 nexus however is not a cheese in TvT.
its like saying 12hatch without dronescout is a cheese only coz it loses to BBS prox..
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I actually really liked Fantasy's marine micro that game. Guy didn't lose a single rine. Might have been lucky vs. Flash's build, but he executed well.
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Lmao at all the people who lost faith in SKT. Hah!
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On March 15 2009 15:28 eatmyshorts5 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:27 Coffee wrote:On March 15 2009 15:23 JWD wrote:On March 15 2009 15:22 Coffee wrote:On March 15 2009 15:21 ShloobeR wrote:
fantasy is such a tard
haha my god poor flash
why can't fantasy just play standard for once cause then he'd lose every single game, i fucking hate that douche and im not even a flash fan calm down.... no. What is your problem guys. THIS GUY ALMOST WON A STARLEAGE. He almost became a royal roader.
Fanboyism maybe...
On March 15 2009 15:28 Lebesgue wrote:
Ok Lux. You gotta rape that dude. And then bring us an epic battle against BeSt on Medusa.
I'd doubt they'd send Best if Fantasy Loses against Lux..
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Well boxer is known for playing non-standard. People didn't give him this much shit than fantasy it seems.
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On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.
are you serious? 8 rax in mid in TvT ONLY beats 14cc, not a standard build
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None of you seem to have pointed out how bad Flash's SCV micro was. He didn't even kill a single marine, a single scv, or even damage the bunker. It was just pure fail.
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On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. But, I mean...it was a BO loss.
it wasn't a BBS. it was a center rax which in itself is not that horrible. if you saw fantasy's main, he got gas at fairly standard timing. my guess is that he predicted that there was a very high chance of flash going 14cc so this build would punish him for it. if flash was going standard he would have a nice transition into standard play with earlier rax float scouting.
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No streams work for me. 
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On March 15 2009 15:29 Shengster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Hot_Bid wrote:
i love the fanboys who are like "it's a BO loss"
if someone does 14cc and loses constantly with it, you can't possibly say its a "BO loss" when you're up hugely if the build succeeds. 14cc is just a huge gamble, the risk is built into the build, you can't just be like "oh its lucky that the other player tried to keep me honest" lolol
i love it when 14cc or 14nex dies horribly BBS is a huge gamble too, I'm not saying it's luck that Fantasy won but it's not the kind of situation where people can just BBS Flash every game and win by default. He made a calculated risk, Fantasy made a calculated risk, Fantasy's happened to pay off while Flash's fucked him over. People are just pretending it's 2008 and saying Flash needs to stop 14ccing, which is just ridiculous because its really not that bad an idea to throw in once in a while in TvT. I fully agree with this. Fantasy knew the chances of him winning by playing standard were low. His cheese was a calculated risk that paid off.
That's not what I'm saying though. Fantasy took a risk because he thought Flash was going to 14cc, and he won because of it. That doesn't make Flash a super predictable player, it just means Fantasy read him well/lucked out a bit. Whether Fantasy can beat him through standard play or not is irrelevant.
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hoejja must be so pissed after all the work he did to take out bisu..
then flash loses to 14cc and maybe cost the playoffs lol
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On March 15 2009 15:29 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:26 StylishVODs wrote:On March 15 2009 15:25 Carnac wrote:On March 15 2009 15:23 Orbifold wrote:On March 15 2009 15:23 OSWater wrote:On March 15 2009 15:22 Rostam wrote:On March 15 2009 15:21 Mista wrote:
Haha suck it Flash fanboys he just got PWNED! It's called a BO loss, what are you getting all excited about? ... isn't a 14cc build considered cheese? no 14cc is actually pretty cheesy in many circumstances (so is 14 nexus tho) since 14 nexus is only autolose to 8raxprox its not a cheese.. careful when using the term "autoloss", it's mis- and overused most of the time -.-
yeah but 8rax in middle is autowin vs 14cc so this time it was used properly imo.
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This game is probably the deciding game now. If fantasy loses to lux I doubt Best can take him down.
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Fantasy is definitely the most entertaining terran to watch. I love his play style.
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On March 15 2009 15:30 rushz0rz wrote:No streams work for me.
Go to IRC, one of those space monkeys will help you out. 
I just finished reading Fight Club =3
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Braavos36375 Posts
i can't believe people are mad at fantasy for not playing standard when flash did a 14cc and was punished for it. 8 rax ONLY hard counters 14cc, every other build you're behind lol, 8 rax isn't even that risky or cheesy in tvt.
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On March 15 2009 15:30 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 eatmyshorts5 wrote:On March 15 2009 15:27 Coffee wrote:On March 15 2009 15:23 JWD wrote:On March 15 2009 15:22 Coffee wrote:On March 15 2009 15:21 ShloobeR wrote:
fantasy is such a tard
haha my god poor flash
why can't fantasy just play standard for once cause then he'd lose every single game, i fucking hate that douche and im not even a flash fan calm down.... no. What is your problem guys. THIS GUY ALMOST WON A STARLEAGE. He almost became a royal roader. Fanboyism maybe... Show nested quote +On March 15 2009 15:28 Lebesgue wrote:
Ok Lux. You gotta rape that dude. And then bring us an epic battle against BeSt on Medusa. I'd doubt they'd send Best if Fantasy Loses against Lux..
who'd they send then? midas? oov?
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On March 15 2009 15:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
can some explain why flash 14ccs so much? he's a superior player who doesn't need these risky, stupid build orders to win, especially in TvT. just do a standard, safe build order and let your skills do the work flash, why go for the cheap advantage? its seriously really stupid.
I guess its because he knows he has the advantage when it gets to mid game so going for 14cc it already gives him the early economic adv
but he hasent 14cc for months, last time i remember was a month ago vs leta and then before thatn vs jd where he got raped with 9pool, its not like where he was 14ccing every third game
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