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I hope both protosses can show their A-game today. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Flash won 5-0  | ||
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On September 20 2018 18:22 TornadoSteve wrote: Have no idea whos gonna win this group but i feel like Snow will find a way... all 4 guys have a chance though. Should be interesting Show has a pretty solid pvz , but my LB is effort and sk | ||
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Poll: Who will qualify first? SoulKey (4) Snow (3) EffOrt (1) Shuttle (0) 8 total votes Your vote: Who will qualify first? Poll: Who will qualify second? SoulKey (3) EffOrt (3) Snow (1) Shuttle (1) 8 total votes Your vote: Who will qualify second? | ||
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Dromar
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On September 20 2018 19:14 NoS-Craig wrote: Have you enabled the flash player for your browser? Maybe a refresh because I'm watching it fine. I've watched Afreeca streams a hundred times, and it has always worked fine. I've tried refreshing. But it just stays a black screen. | ||
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On September 20 2018 19:20 Dromar wrote: I've watched Afreeca streams a hundred times, and it has always worked fine. I've tried refreshing. But it just stays a black screen. Don't know if we're having a similar problem, but I can't view on Afreeca for some reason despite being able to watch embedded in TL. Have you tried that? Might just be my crappy Chinese firewall/internet/VPN though. | ||
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On September 20 2018 19:21 reincremate wrote: Don't know if we're having a similar problem, but I can't view on Afreeca for some reason despite being able to watch embedded in TL. Have you tried that? Might just be my crappy Chinese firewall/internet/VPN though. Also having that problem, am just watching in a pop-out player for now via the embedded TL version. Usually I watch it on Afreeca without issue. | ||
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prosatan
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Snow with his shuttle / reaver control top notch ! | ||
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Man, Transistor/Neo Transistor is such a good map for reaver drops. So glad they kept it. | ||
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Dromar
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On September 20 2018 19:25 CakeSauc3 wrote: Also having that problem, am just watching in a pop-out player for now via the embedded TL version. Usually I watch it on Afreeca without issue. On September 20 2018 19:25 asel wrote: I have the same problem. I'm just watching it on Youtube. Couldn't get it to work on Afreeca. + Show Spoiler + edit: yeah embedded player in TL works too. | ||
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prosatan
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pretty even supply now , but snow with a fast 3rd | ||
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On September 20 2018 19:37 prosatan wrote: I really think everyone hated Snow with his reaver harass because he is very lucky with those scarabs I think that while it looks like it's mostly luck, it's actually mostly subtleties in tactical positioning. edit: can't really tell for sure myself with my noob armchair assessments, but Snow supposedly has some of the best reaver-shuttle micro in the scene right now. | ||
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prosatan
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On September 20 2018 19:39 reincremate wrote: I think that while it looks like it's mostly luck, it's actually mostly subtleties in tactical positioning. Every scarab connected perfectly .... meh ...idk really Maybe a bit of luck is involved | ||
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On September 20 2018 19:40 prosatan wrote: Every scarab connected perfectly .... meh ...idk really Maybe a bit of luck is involved Well for sure there's luck/chance involved, but he consistently displays this level of shuttle-reaver play. | ||
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Zera
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On September 20 2018 19:40 prosatan wrote: Every scarab connected perfectly .... meh ...idk really Maybe a bit of luck is involved If you are consistently lucky, that's not luck anymore | ||
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On September 20 2018 19:52 nojok wrote: Lmao, like the 8 gas the drone is carrying is a big deal xD Was a game winning move right there Rapid knew it, SK knew it, effort knew it. | ||
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nojok
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On September 20 2018 19:55 TornadoSteve wrote: Was a game winning move right there Rapid knew it, SK knew it, effort knew it. Yeah gas drones are so expensive, unlike those mineral drones. | ||
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wow, finally he is in the top 8! | ||
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nojok
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He defended against the corsairs very well, game ending when snow commited so heavily. | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: 3 for 3 so far for me. LB ? | ||
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prosatan
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On September 20 2018 20:14 reincremate wrote: Effort saying in the interview that he wants a ZvT match, heh heh. Good man. ZvT , but no Flash imo + Show Spoiler + Yesterday he lost 0-5 vs God | ||
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That, and: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/537378-asl6-ro16-preview-pt-1-a-storm-is-coming#ksl-group-e Take me down to the Screwed City, where the grass is green and the Protosses die in PvZ. + Show Spoiler + Oh won't you please take me doooooown | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:19 reincremate wrote: That, and: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/537378-asl6-ro16-preview-pt-1-a-storm-is-coming#ksl-group-e hahahaha i remember that moment ! | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:35 reincremate wrote: That archon transition was beautiful. Good game. Yeah. And I usually dont criticize the english casters.. but rapid.. really.. he wanted storms over archons against mutas | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:37 Zera wrote: that's what you get for being super cocky in group selection.. Holidays? | ||
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Zera
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Exactly :D | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:37 Zera wrote: that's what you get for being super cocky in group selection.. lol... soulkey is always cocky most BM player hands down is Best though | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:43 KarlHungus1908 wrote: OMG no, the only one zerg, who can beat Flash is out wait! when did JD got eliminated?!  | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:43 KarlHungus1908 wrote: OMG no, the only one zerg, who can beat Flash is out Nah, Flash would crush him. Honestly, I don't think anyone can beat Flash right now in a Bo5, as the maps this season seem pretty balanced (not to say that Snow beat Flash only because of maps last season). | ||
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prosatan
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Although I love JD more than anything , I think Flash a much higher chance to win in a match between them | ||
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nojok
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On September 20 2018 20:43 KarlHungus1908 wrote: OMG no, the only one zerg, who can beat Flash is out Flash will face snow, don't worry. | ||
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Motivate
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On September 20 2018 20:41 oEkY wrote: guess shuttle will rely on dts in the final game nice call | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:41 oEkY wrote: guess shuttle will rely on dts in the final game lol, exactly like in his deciding group game on taebaek mountains against free back in ASL1 | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:46 oEkY wrote: lol, exactly like in his deciding group game on taebaek mountains against free back in ASL1 Does that mean he's also going to win this ASL? | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:47 reincremate wrote: Does that mean he's also going to win this ASL? wouldnt bet on that... | ||
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Well, with Last, Effort and Jaedong playing well recently, I'm feeling a bit of deja vu  | ||
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prosatan
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even supply now !! | ||
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ALWAYS COUNT ON STORM !!!! | ||
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On September 20 2018 19:18 NoS-Craig wrote: + Show Spoiler + Poll: Who will qualify first? SoulKey (4) Snow (3) EffOrt (1) Shuttle (0) 8 total votes Your vote: Who will qualify first? lol | ||
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Happy even though I'm 0/2 on LB | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Relax man sometimes people are wrong. It's ok man no ones perfect. Awesome storms by Shuttle. Love to see him qualify again. Guy used to carve it up on KCM. | ||
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On September 20 2018 20:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: str8 outta screwed city Shuttle busting out his gangsta-ass street smarts. | ||
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oEkY
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Not at all surprised that most people (myself included) predicted Effort and Soulkey to advance. A bit surprised that some people thought Snow would make it though, given his lacklustre PvZ. | ||
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prosatan
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On September 20 2018 21:02 oEkY wrote: lol, i just realised that both of my LBs were right hehe WHAT ?? great to go with Shuttle i went with effort and sk | ||
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On September 20 2018 21:03 prosatan wrote: WHAT ?? great to go with Shuttle i went with effort and sk Can check the LB voting percentages later. I think the vast majority of people chose Effort and Soulkey. I missed too many votes this season (stupid real life making me busy) but I was sure this time that I would be correct in liquibetting Effort and SK. | ||
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On September 20 2018 21:15 De4ngus wrote: Soulkey AND Snow are out? Flash gonna celebrate today until he get crushed by Shuttle.... + Show Spoiler + j/k | ||
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Bacalao
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Me duele ver a Snow y Soulkey fuera; en mi opinión esté era el grupo de la muerte Felicitaciones Effort y Shuttle User was warned for this post. | ||
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On September 20 2018 22:49 Motivate wrote: btw rapid's casting has gotten a lot better.. he's definitely more analytical recently. out of interest, does anyone know what race he plays? he seems to be better at analysing terran games. I started playing Terran, moved to Protoss, and lately I've been inspired to play Zerg, but that doesn't mean I'm good at any of them. | ||
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EquilasH
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I swear if NoRegret just watched 1 of the old day9 dailies for each matchup and knew 1-2 builds for each matchup he would be a great caster. | ||
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oxKnu
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Alpha-NP-
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I looked at the last ASL to see how the quarterfinals would be drawn. We are gonna have an Effort vs Rain quarterfinal and a Sharp vs Shuttle quarterfinal. Effort vs Rain is going to be a sick matchup. Shuttle could do his best yet in this tourmament with his “clutch under pressure” ability. | ||
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On September 21 2018 00:10 Alpha-NP- wrote: Shuttle always delivers against tough opponents in tournaments. He advanced against 3 Zergs in last ASL and now advanced out of this group. He is getting more respect in my eye. I looked at the last ASL to see how the quarterfinals would be drawn. We are gonna have an Effort vs Rain quarterfinal and a Sharp vs Shuttle quarterfinal. Effort vs Rain is going to be a sick matchup. Shuttle could do his best yet in this tourmament with his “clutch under pressure” ability. I think you are not right about that, the quarterfinals are not predefined, there will be a draw and every 1st finisher could possibly play every 2nd finisher but the ones that are from a same group, however, we may get effort vs rain and sharp vs shuttle, but it will be after a draw, not decided yet | ||
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I got the first 4 games right, just as I expected them after the draw, and then Shuttle beats Snow in the final match. However, I expected Effort first, Snow 2nd. Great job by Shuttle! Will watch the games tonight! | ||
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On September 21 2018 00:30 M2 wrote: I think you are not right about that, the quarterfinals are not predefined, there will be a draw and every 1st finisher could possibly play every 2nd finisher but the ones that are from a same group, however, we may get effort vs rain and sharp vs shuttle, but it will be after a draw, not decided yet Ah okay thanks for clarifying. | ||
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On September 21 2018 00:30 M2 wrote: I think you are not right about that, the quarterfinals are not predefined, there will be a draw and every 1st finisher could possibly play every 2nd finisher but the ones that are from a same group, however, we may get effort vs rain and sharp vs shuttle, but it will be after a draw, not decided yet Other than Flash and Rain, Shuttle has the ability to beat anyone else in the tournament. You just never know how he'll perform though. | ||
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On September 21 2018 01:12 Miragee wrote: Soulkey vs Shuttle wtf? Soulkey, if you go for bunker zerg, build lurkers. They are very good. Go back and learn from your master Zero. Didn't Shuttle hit the timing before Soulkey got his economy going enough to get lurkers? | ||
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Miragee
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On September 21 2018 04:11 Barneyk wrote: Didn't Shuttle hit the timing before Soulkey got his economy going enough to get lurkers? If you play that strat you need to secure your four bases first before going hard on drones and tech. You don't hold a push with 4 sunkens and a few lings unless it's zealots only which is silly to assume at that point of the game. | ||
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Barneyk
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On September 21 2018 05:09 Miragee wrote: If you play that strat you need to secure your four bases first before going hard on drones and tech. You don't hold a push with 4 sunkens and a few lings unless it's zealots only which is silly to assume at that point of the game. Soulkey did threaten Shuttle with a lot of lings, but Shuttle still skimped on defense. I think Soulkey was hoping that Shuttle would cannon up after Snow got smashed the way he did and seeing lings pile up. And yeah, Soulkey did drone up a bit much, obviously, but I still feel like it was a really precise timing from Shuttle exploiting that. | ||
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On September 21 2018 05:06 iFU.pauline wrote: now this is real effort Yeah, SO happy to finally see him make it past the Ro16! | ||
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On September 20 2018 21:03 reincremate wrote: Not at all surprised that most people (myself included) predicted Effort and Soulkey to advance. A bit surprised that some people thought Snow would make it though, given his lacklustre PvZ. What? Snows PVZ has improved drastically in the last 6 months, I actually wondered how could you put Soulkey above him. | ||
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sM.Zik
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On September 21 2018 06:32 leublix wrote: Yeah for shuttle :D His PvZ looks so good at times. I haven't seen a whole lot of Shuttle, but I am indeed impressed by his PvZ most of the times. | ||
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In the PvZ vs Soulkey, the only scouting Soulkey gets is the spinning forge and +1 corsairs, then the zealot move-out, so he probably assumes +1 sairlot and makes the usual 2+1 sunk/spore at each natural. Ofc against sair/reaver this is 4 early sunkens totally useless (6 slowlots can be easily killed with speedlings, then next timing attack gets much weaker, so zerg can make more drones overall). Soulkey should have scouted the nat like Effort did, but I think Shuttle realized this and moved out with the slowlots immediately after the scourge see the forge but miss the robo. In the PvP vs Snow, he literally made 0 cannons (at least 2 is common with this build) which allowed him to barely hold the push combined with the great storms. Guess Snow should have pushed earlier? although I'm kinda clueless in PvP. | ||
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On September 20 2018 23:03 RAPiDCasting wrote: I started playing Terran, moved to Protoss, and lately I've been inspired to play Zerg, but that doesn't mean I'm good at any of them. I enjoy your casting, but I do hope that you'll continue to expand your knowledge of the game so you can provide better analysis. I think plenty of other viewers think similarly. Keep it up, man! | ||
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On September 21 2018 12:36 KamMoye wrote: Rapid showed notable improvement as a caster & is good when not manic I personally prefer manic, frenetic casting lol. Back in the day, that dude Klazart, who despite not knowing jack shit about the game, was an entertaining caster because of his energy and humour. It's kind of like how DMX is a terrible lyricist but has great hip hop delivery. If someone could combine that kind of delivery with actual game knowledge, they'd be the bonjwa of casting. On September 21 2018 06:06 Malongo wrote: What? Snows PVZ has improved drastically in the last 6 months, I actually wondered how could you put Soulkey above him. You're probably right; I admit I haven't been following Snow's recent games closely enough, but in the few I've seen, his PvZ still seems rather weak (namely the series against JD where he was crushed 4 games in a row after taking a 2-0 lead). At the very least, it's still his most vulnerable match-up and I would bet on Effort or Soulkey against him in most circumstances. | ||
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On September 21 2018 10:55 Disregard wrote: Effort somehow maintained near 600apm in the whole ZvZ This thing amazes me too Yesterday , I watched his stream and he played protoss; if you want to see a protoss player with 430 apm , go watch effort | ||
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Kaolla
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On September 21 2018 12:36 KamMoye wrote: Rapid showed notable improvement as a caster & is good when not manic Well, I know Rapid probably reads this, but I think he could still use a bit more game knowledge. It's hard for me to determine how hard it is to get that, as I've played this game for years. But I think that would really make him a better caster. Saying with certainty what players would be doing and why they are doing it, I feel that is kinda lacking now and because of that in late game it also gets harder to predict the outcomes. I mean I think you're doing a great job Rapid (if you would read this), but yea.. It would be even better if you could spend some more time with the game. At the same time I understand that it's not getting huge viewing numbers, so it might seem unimportant and it's good enough as it is. Might be, but as a guy who played bw a lot (really a lot) i feel the commentary is not on the same level of Artosis (not meant as an insult). Anyway, its hard to write something even slightly critical about this and I dont mean this as something bad, I think you're doing great and as others have said, definitely better than before. Kinda hope you can make the step to Artosis levels of commentary, but I think that might still be a huge step | ||
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Brainojack
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On September 21 2018 12:36 KamMoye wrote: Rapid showed notable improvement as a caster & is good when not manic Cause while the haters were busy hating and/or sleeping he was getting down casting Brood War 10+hrs a week | ||
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JieXian
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On September 22 2018 00:43 Nematocyst wrote: I've thought a fair bit about why I like Tastosis and not Rapid. I've concluded it's partly game knowledge, but also a lot generational. I relate to Tastosis' humor and not Rapid's at all. I cringe when it's Rapid and I wasn't expecting it and then focus on irritants. Things like "ultra guaranteed" bother me in the same way as "grand finals". However, when I ask myself if Tastosis said those things (in fact they do "grand finals" regularly) I realize that although I find it irritating, I sorta let it slide more for them. So those irritants aren't really the issue, and trying to pin it down is not easy. Thus I've decided it's generational humor. So ofc, that's nobody's fault. I suppose so, to be fair I think Tastetosis are really good at coming up with interesting/funny things to say, along with a good level of game knowledge. I understand it's not easy for someone else to achieve this. My only problem is when they start referencing SC2 like "oh if this were XXX (SC2 unit) then XXX" or "If only we had XXX (SC2 unit)" or "what would happen if we had XXX (SC2 unit) now, wouldn't that be amazing?" Imagine if you're watching tennis and the commentator talks about table tennis. "oh if it were table tennis, he wouldn't have to sprint so far". "oh in table tennis the movement speed of the ball is slower but has a lower collision size compared to tennis, and he would have been able to return that smash more easily" Please stop it, it's infuriating to listen to. For me, you don't need to have a lot of game knowledge (although obviously having more game knowledge is better), or to be super funny. Just leave the table tennis talk when you're casting a game of table tennis. Thank you. | ||
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Nematocyst
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On September 22 2018 02:56 JieXian wrote:My only problem is when they start referencing SC2 You aren't alone in this. I try to remind myself they like, cast, and play both games. That's fine, but it does go overboard at times. I wonder if BW slips into their SC2 casts. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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And Group D I expect Flash to lose at least one game. I hope he has close calls with elimination. It would be huge if Flash lost to Jaedong. | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
On September 22 2018 08:05 Alpha-NP- wrote: I was thinking about Group C and I strongly think Mini and Best will advance. And Group D I expect Flash to lose at least one game. I hope he has close calls with elimination. It would be huge if Flash lost to Jaedong. Group D is heartbreaking. At least one of Flash, Jaedong or Action will be eliminated. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1011 Posts
On September 21 2018 12:36 KamMoye wrote: Rapid showed notable improvement as a caster & is good when not manic He did improve a lot and it's all good when he's casting with Artosis because Artosis usually points out things Rapid wouldn't. That's why I don't like the noregret combo. | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
really happy to see him in the ro8 even at the expense of soulkey and snow. 김윤중 fighting! | ||
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flyingrat
43 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
On September 23 2018 00:28 flyingrat wrote: Effort might be our best chance to have a zerg win a starleague Would be a hell of a thing after under-performing for so long. I am most heavily rooting for Best and Jaedong, but I think Effort is second. And I didn't realize that until just now. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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TopRamen
United States96 Posts
Shuttle is the MAN! | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On September 24 2018 21:38 Alpha-NP- wrote: Who do you guys think will advance from Group C? Remember Shine is a ZvP specialist. I think he will advance for sure with either Best or Last. I hope Best though. I would say Best and Last. Best looked phenomenal as of late and Last seems to have finally found his groove in online matches. | ||
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BearAttack
33 Posts
On September 22 2018 12:39 Freezard wrote: He did improve a lot and it's all good when he's casting with Artosis because Artosis usually points out things Rapid wouldn't. That's why I don't like the noregret combo. This is exactly what was going through my head when I watched. Rapid and NoRegret = absolute horse sht I don't know who the fool is that allowed that to happen. It's like dumb and dumber bw style and ruins the ro16 in a major tournament. When Rapid was with Artosis I thought he did a great job, so did many others. When Rapid read the comments he probably let it get to his head and totally reverted back to disaster caster with NoRegret. No offense to NoRegret but he doesn't have anywhere near the background required to be able to cast BW. Whoever thought those two could properly cast BW must know about as much BW as they do. They each need a someone to babysit them and provide technical insight while they just blab about nonsense so Artosis or Tasteless can wet their whistle and jump back in. PLEASE TASTOSIS FROM HERE ON OUT!! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BearAttack
33 Posts
Poll: Favorite Caster? Artosis (16) Tasteless (12) Rapid (1) NoRegret (0) 29 total votes Your vote: Favorite Caster? (Vote): Artosis Poll: Favorite Casting Duo? (some hypothetical) Artosis and Tasteless (24) Artosis and NoRegret (3) NoRegret and Rapid (1) Artosis and Rapid (0) NoRegret and Tasteless (0) Rapid and Tasteless (0) 28 total votes Your vote: Favorite Casting Duo? (some hypothetical) (Vote): Artosis and NoRegret | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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BearAttack
33 Posts
On September 26 2018 07:56 ne4aJIb wrote: CholeraSC Sorry I didn't specify but I meant just for ASL casters as that's the topic I was currently mumbling angrily about. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On September 26 2018 08:03 BearAttack wrote: Sorry I didn't specify but I meant just for ASL casters as that's the topic I was currently mumbling angrily about. You forgot the independent casters like myself and Flashftw or currently EsportsJohn and Ty2 | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
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ImNotBearAttack
2 Posts
Reason: You were previously banned for a week because you were needlessly bashing on the BW casters without providing constructive criticism. And yet, you just went and did it again... Take some more time off. Do not attempt to circumvent this ban by making a new account, or your ban duration will be increased. This guy is making himself angry with the conversations he's having inside his own head and taking it out on others. Thanks for killing the activity on this thread "moderator" you're contributing a lot to the game by doing so. A simple warning and I wouldn't have ever caused any more issues. If you didn't save so much time by not showering you would probably make an effort to find better things to do with your free time.... #virginlife | ||
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ImNotBearAttack
2 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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Oya187
50 Posts
Now, this might be an extreme way of thinking but expert commentators/casters should be navigating through whats happening in a game with words and analysis so that even a blind person can listen, understand whats going on in the game and enjoy brood war just like anyone else without having to miss a single beat. Think about it, you never hear a sports commentator in for example soccer come up with jokes or comments that doesnt have anything to do with the current game under any circumstances. Things that don't add value to the game or the players of the game shouldn't be added at all. If you want to be a stand up comedian, be my guest and do your witty comments and jokes at a stand up gig where people want to hear them. Want to talk about Starcraft 2? Save that for a SC2 audience. But leave that out of any Brood War cast whether it is ASL in Korea or any foreigner league/tournament. Keep in mind that someone who can't see would like to hear whats happening and how you as an expert commentator conceive the game from the beginning until the end without having to hear a sudden rant about something completely offtopic for 2 minutes just because you feel like it or find it funny. It is not appropriate at all. The majority of people that view Brood War casts wants to hear you talk only about Brood War and what's going on in the current game, nothing else. Otherwise we would be watching Starcraft 2 or George Carlin instead already. The numbers speak for themselves, if you are going to cast anything as a profession you should pay homage to the scene and community and already have studied the game and have knowledge about it inside out. Especially when it comes to a game like Brood War 'cause having someone to cast a complex game like this without knowing what they are talking about can be very confusing and misleading. With that being said I vote for Nyoken to the ASL as a caster! | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2869 Posts
On September 22 2018 12:39 Freezard wrote: He did improve a lot and it's all good when he's casting with Artosis because Artosis usually points out things Rapid wouldn't. That's why I don't like the noregret combo. Well you need at least one rock solid caster to be paired with NoRegret/Rapid. Especially in a Brood War cast. Can't win em all, but Tastosis was sorely missing this week. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Unfortunately, Rapid is just agonizing as a caster. It's bad enough that he knows very little about BW, but he also has very limited strategic acumen. We don't all have to be former B- iCCup players or whatever, but Rapid pretty clearly could never have gotten there no matter how hard he tried. NoRegret consistently points out stuff based purely off his intuition, like certain trades being good, positioning observations, etc., that are way more accurate and insightful than Rapid. To make matters worse, Rapid frequently gets caught up in streams of consciousness while missing important stuff which then impedes subsequent casting because he wasn't paying attention when some building got built or some other major event occurred. I actually think it'd be really interesting to have NoRegret paired with Artosis or Tasteless. The combination of NoRegret having good strategic intuition but knowing relatively little BW, with Artosis / Tasteless' knowledge and experience, could make for a cool dynamic of seeing a strong SC2 player learn BW on the fly. Overall Artosis + anyone (even Rapid) can work, because Artosis is just by far the best player out of all the casters, and when you have someone who's a reasonably high level player it makes such a difference. I don't know if Tasteless could carry Rapid, but in spite of Tasteless' rough edges and occasionally comical errors (7 minerals per harvest haha), he's a lot of fun and just has a charm to his casting you can't teach. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway695 Posts
Must be fun trying to do a good job, the get to read all this shit. I really enjoyed the cast and the games, thanks for putting in the efford | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On September 26 2018 17:09 darktreb wrote: NoRegret doesn't know BW too well, but he's sharp, thinks strategically (obviously given he's a strong SC2 player), notices what's going on on the screen and minimap, etc. Like most people I prefer Tastosis but I don't mind NoRegret at all. Unfortunately, Rapid is just agonizing as a caster. It's bad enough that he knows very little about BW, but he also has very limited strategic acumen. We don't all have to be former B- iCCup players or whatever, but Rapid pretty clearly could never have gotten there no matter how hard he tried. NoRegret consistently points out stuff based purely off his intuition, like certain trades being good, positioning observations, etc., that are way more accurate and insightful than Rapid. To make matters worse, Rapid frequently gets caught up in streams of consciousness while missing important stuff which then impedes subsequent casting because he wasn't paying attention when some building got built or some other major event occurred. I actually think it'd be really interesting to have NoRegret paired with Artosis or Tasteless. The combination of NoRegret having good strategic intuition but knowing relatively little BW, with Artosis / Tasteless' knowledge and experience, could make for a cool dynamic of seeing a strong SC2 player learn BW on the fly. Overall Artosis + anyone (even Rapid) can work, because Artosis is just by far the best player out of all the casters, and when you have someone who's a reasonably high level player it makes such a difference. I don't know if Tasteless could carry Rapid, but in spite of Tasteless' rough edges and occasionally comical errors (7 minerals per harvest haha), he's a lot of fun and just has a charm to his casting you can't teach. There was a day where they had Artosis and NoRegret on and it worked well, as expected. I think your analysis is on point. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On September 26 2018 17:09 darktreb wrote: [....] I don't know if Tasteless could carry Rapid, but in spite of Tasteless' rough edges and occasionally comical errors (7 minerals per harvest haha), he's a lot of fun and just has a charm to his casting you can't teach. Yes, Tasteless might not be the best player and always talks about the good old days of BW (which I don't mind, I find it endearing) but he's amazingly witty. For example, in that 7 mineral per harvest situation, a lesser man like me might have created an awkward moment for everyone, but Tasteless managed to recover and make it entertaining. Moreover, when he isn't familiar with a particular match up, he would not pretend that he does and just spew nonsense, but he would make it clear that he doesn't know something and would ask Artosis. Of course it might be a role that he is playing or it could be argued that he should know his stuff, but I personally don't mind and I genuinely enjoy it. TLDR: I love Tastosis <3 | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway695 Posts
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Nematocyst
United States164 Posts
On September 26 2018 17:36 Timebon3s wrote: What a sad thread this turned into. Must be fun trying to do a good job, the get to read all this Being honest about what we like, don't like, and why is good for everyone. It's good for ALL the casters, and the larger community. Most aren't trying to dump on anyone, but rather articulate the issues. Before that poll, I was under the impression that people were roughly evenly split. That's what happens when you are afraid to voice your opinion for fear of being perceived as a bully. I'll agree this discussion doesn't really belong in this thread, but I felt it was an important one to be had. I felt if I didn't voice my opinion, then I have nobody but myself to blame when I get more of the same. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Calling somebody's work horse shit is definitely the latter. Guy had it coming, jumping the mods like that. Please, guys, let's remember the administration of this forum has given us a set of rules to follow. Their house, their rules. We might not agree. Still their house. Keeping the website is quite some work, although the site itself is worthless without the netizens. Respect their decisions or question them in civilised manner. On the (actually off-)topic: I still don't buy the rapid/Noregret combo, the idea is great, guys lack the knowledge. If they up it, they'll be great, Noregret the more analytical one and Rapid the entertaining one. But there has been some improvement. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On September 27 2018 05:29 TaardadAiel wrote: There is a fine and very distinctive line between criticism and flaming. Calling somebody's work horse shit is definitely the latter. Guy had it coming, jumping the mods like that. Please, guys, let's remember the administration of this forum has given us a set of rules to follow. Their house, their rules. We might not agree. Still their house. Keeping the website is quite some work, although the site itself is worthless without the netizens. Respect their decisions or question them in civilised manner. On the (actually off-)topic: I still don't buy the rapid/Noregret combo, the idea is great, guys lack the knowledge. If they up it, they'll be great, Noregret the more analytical one and Rapid the entertaining one. But there has been some improvement. I'm surprised that you found Rapid entertaining. For me he's just infuriating with his ignorance of BW, his consequent comparisons with SC2 (because he can't talk about much about something he doesn't know), along with his attitude, (for example, Tasteless knows so much more about BW, yet he's so much more humble), and I think many would agree with me. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
To be honest, I think the big problem with Rapid is him getting lost in, as someone above put it very well, "streams of consciousness". He's not a stupid guy and if he paid more attention to the actual games, he would call stuff much better. And as for the humor, I think there's the issue of different generations. I don't know how old Rapid is, but I definitely feel older than him. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
A thing or two instead of posting on here where it will solve nothing? | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 28 2018 06:09 Alpha-NP- wrote: Why don’t you guys hop on Discord or Skype and teach them A thing or two instead of posting on here where it will solve nothing? Out of respect I will assume you are serious. For Rapid to improve (and he does improve) requires substantial conscious effort throughout the stream. I watched him cast something, IDK what it was, maybe the SC:R Pro series finals. He was alone and he did pretty bad. The guy does better with a calmer, analytical co-caster, and when he actively suppresses the urge to overhype. He doesn't need me in particular to TEACH him anything, he needs practice as a caster, a solid co-caster with the right traits and some constructive criticism (criticism so he knows what's wrong and constructive since otherwise he'll just quit and I would rather like him to improve more). | ||
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SrsImNotBearAttack
1 Post
) EDIT: Sorry to the mods for making more work for you, this will be my last post. Thanks for working in the Brood War realm, your efforts are invaluable in the continuation of our beloved foreign scene.User was banned for this post. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
I wish there was more I could say about what's to come instead of this production value metacommentary because I can hardly contain myself waiting the remaining four days for ASL to kick up again. as a fan I don't want this negativity to be what fills this great void between Groups B and C | ||
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