EPTThe thing is...the crowds are fickle. Play awesome in one tournament or get a lot of positive publicity and all of a sudden you become one of the favorites. It happens a lot with non-Koreans too... Most people's sense of "who is the best" is really absurd. But I won't push the point any.
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
The thing is...the crowds are fickle. Play awesome in one tournament or get a lot of positive publicity and all of a sudden you become one of the favorites. It happens a lot with non-Koreans too... Most people's sense of "who is the best" is really absurd. But I won't push the point any. | ||
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miNi
Korea (South)2010 Posts
He was never overrated, nor did he become anyone's favorite. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
That doesn't change the fact that they'll be eliminated by Zergs before the quarterfinals.  But hey, we'll see. There may be a hero amoung them. | ||
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KorvspaD
Sweden468 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway386 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On August 20 2006 22:26 Jathin wrote: Wow you compared PVT to ZVZ. I was using Zergman's best matchup to illustrate the point that if a player is playing something that he obviously dominates in, it shouldn't be such a huge surprise when he wins. On August 20 2006 23:32 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: you forgot that anytime raped his way through the challenge league and won it to gain the 4th seed to the OSL that he won. after winning his OSL, yes, he did poorly in his group and fell all the way back down to the offline qualifications. its a long road from the pcbang league to the OGN starleague, so for him to get back here within 1 season (eliminated from groups in Shinhan, missed Shinhan2006, qualified for Shinhan2006 2) is pretty damn good. i also dont think hes the clear underdog in the group. the way i see it, july and midas are the favorites and anytime and casy are the underdogs. it'd be hard to make predictions in this group, i would say: july = midas midas = casy casy = july july > anytime anytime = midas anytime > casy he hardly has the least chance to win. I think you guys are misinterpresting my quotes. I dont think Anytime is just some dogshit Protoss the same way I think of Pusan(waits for flames). I just think he is highly overrated after that SL win. I can't see how anyone thinks he isn't the least capable of making it out of that group with the 3 players he's stuck with. 2 of them are absolute protoss killers, and the other is just if not above Anytime's level of build manipulation. If he makes it out, great, but it will be because his skill has truly risen to a level where he can be called "top of the game". Or in the unfortunate case he loses, we might have to settle with more protoss fans complaining about imbalances,which is valid but not for every damn ZvP and TvP match! On August 21 2006 02:49 SuperJongMan wrote: And I can't believe the Anytime hate... Anytime is awesome dude... Plus he is REALLY smart. You can see that in his builds. His PvZ is sorta bleh, as he uses an old style, but his PvT is awesome and I can't get how people forgettin how exciting his SL victory was... WTF people. I think Anytime is good, but not at the peak of Protoss power as say, Reach has ever been to. Sure he won a SL, but so has Sync and where is he now? And his PvT hasn't been the same since that SL trip... On August 21 2006 09:23 WhatisProtoss wrote: Whoa... you think Anytime is not good? Where did I say that? On August 21 2006 09:23 WhatisProtoss wrote: He can easily take down the top players of ANY race. What makes you think that vs T is his best matchup? It isn't. Koreans don't see him as a lucky winner with DTs. He has the best micro and can actually accomplish such risky tactics. He is like 강민 back in 2002-2003, beating large armies with amazing control from his small armies. If his PvT isn't his best matchup then what is/was? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On August 21 2006 11:14 Mortality wrote: IMO Anytime became badly overrated when he won SO 1, but I must admit his position for getting out of his group this year is not very bad at all. The thing is...the crowds are fickle. Play awesome in one tournament or get a lot of positive publicity and all of a sudden you become one of the favorites. It happens a lot with non-Koreans too... Most people's sense of "who is the best" is really absurd. But I won't push the point any. Kind of like how you think Ret is going to win everyone in Sandlot even though hes inactive? And even when hes fully active hes beatable. | ||
thedeadhaji
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Jathin: You left out Stork on purpose? | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27174 Posts
Not everyone hates him though, etter has Anytime wet dreams to this day. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
btw, even though casy's on a hotstreak, remember he lost the only tvp he played in the last starleague (vs nalra) =P. | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
Anytime, Pusan, Ra, Reach are the tosses I like. Tester and Bisu may end up something as well hopefully. | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
On August 22 2006 05:31 Jathin wrote: Really I'm a bigger fan of new-talent than I am the old. The new guys are all younger and innovative in their styles. Most of the older players stick to their old style and just get smacked around. When was the last time you saw Reach/rA go arbiters against a T? That was something that was emphasized greatly during the Neo-Toss era of Anytime/PuSan/Stork and shown to be very effective, but Reach/rA didn't even attempt to adopt any of those concepts. Not to mention as of late Reach's PvZ has been nothing but disappointing. Ra was 5-2 PvT in osl, msl, and proleague and got further in osl/msl than any of the neo-tosses(if they even qualified), hardly getting "smacked around". Why fix something that isn't broken? oh and IPX would have mopped the floor with any of the neo-tosses, at least Ra put up a fight. | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Also, I think we agree for the Anytime fans that his innovation and control are what make him outstanding as opposed to his macro. It's good of course, he's pro. However, I think Anytime will die in his group quite miserably. Midas and July are really... I mean, their name is all you really need to hear. You know how good they are, they are never underdogs. Still, I cheer for my race. Hell, DT July and I will sware I will be an Anytime Fan... FOREVER. Sad thing is... I don't think any toss this OSL has a better chance than Anytime in going far. TT's PvZ is pretty strong they say... but even the strongest PvZ can be an underdog as we were cruelly reminded this MSL. And he's as familiar to me as Rock, they are both veterans but not household names.... and unaccomplished... and hasn't seen a tour de force really. Bisu... I think he can make it out of groups but I have never seen the guy play more than one game at a time. A Series is very different from a Single Elim. It'll be interesting to see him if he makes it to that point. Rock is Rock.. at best, he will pull out til top 8, as unlikely as that is. Plus... when Rock plays bad... Yeah... Discussion over. Jathin - Please never call Kingdom a Push-Over again or I will boil your firstborn with a puppy and eat them both... and carrots And beating Chojja on The Eye is a task in itself that's pretty noteworthy. | ||
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