EPTReleasing it might make them look like even bigger morons, but they could possibly have this.
[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 204
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machinus
United States290 Posts
Releasing it might make them look like even bigger morons, but they could possibly have this. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:38 Scaramanga wrote: We never saw jaedongs 4th so we dont know if that was saturated or not, and we dont know whether flash had reinforements at his nat we do know jaedong wasnt mining gas from both refineries at the 7; he only had drones on the lower one and not the upper one at the very end. i'm not even trying to draw any conclusions, just trying to get a good picture of the facts | ||
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:33 4Servy wrote: People counting units dont know everything who god knows another 2 vessels might be going over the nat. Wich would give flash 5 vessels and 2 irra. You simply cannot say this game was over, when the game went dark first time I thought it was bigger advantage for jd but this close really close. If jd has a 55 vs 45 win chance at this point in the game I would already overstate it, more like 51/49. The reason on wich kespa ref gave their judgement are totaly wrong and show they dont know anything about RTS or starcraft in general. And what JD is doing nothing during this whole time? Flash was sending no reinforcements while JD has a nydus canal to send anything instantly even if his base somehow gets damaged while having dark swarm, an ultra, 2 lings and 2 sunkens. | ||
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kfour
United States106 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:39 machinus wrote: Wouldn't kespa have a replay that they could use to give more specific information? Releasing it might make them look like even bigger morons, but they could possibly have this. No, there are no actual rep files due to the power outage. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:39 machinus wrote: Wouldn't kespa have a replay that they could use to give more specific information? Releasing it might make them look like even bigger morons, but they could possibly have this. no. a game must be completed for a replay to be saved. if every instance of sc being used in the game (that is, both players and all observers) crashes, which is what occurred here tonight, then it is not possible to save a replay | ||
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Feefee
Canada556 Posts
Then again he was pumping stuff like crazy, maybe he actually did manage to keep his minerals low. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:40 d_so wrote: we do know jaedong wasnt mining gas from both refineries at the 7; he only had drones on the lower one and not the upper one at the very end. i'm not even trying to draw any conclusions, just trying to get a good picture of the facts I mean his third at 3, it was his 4th base overall | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:34 Xxio wrote: It doesn't even matter what their reasons are, you should never, ever, give someone a game in a Grand Finals. Most accurate post. I agree with this 100%! | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:37 Vivi57 wrote: Call me blind, but I'm just not seeing the brown dot at 2 (top right) that says he started a hatch. It looks more to me like he has a drone sitting there that isn't doing anything yet. No. You are wrong. Look at the vision of the unit just before the crash. The vision range is short but a few seconds before the crash the vision expands. This means that a building was morphing and just popped, because a hatch has a greater sight range than a morphing hatch. (Don't argue, just look at the replay, and try it out for yourself.) | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:36 Shikyo wrote: You know Flash's main and nat were mined out? And I hope you're kidding when you say mnm are easier to reinforce than ultraling. Nothing is easier to reinforce than ultraling. His natural wasn't mined out, and yea, ultralisks are dirt cheap compared to rines. I hear they don't cost any gas. Neither do defilers or scourge.. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:41 Feefee wrote: What was flash's mineral count though? You can't really stay low on minerals with mnm, even pros start climbing to 1k after awhile. I bet he had enough buffer to get his 3rd up. Then again he was pumping stuff like crazy, maybe he actually did manage to keep his minerals low. eight rax/two port SK from two base means it is certainly possible to spend your income quickly relative to how fast it comes in | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:38 Scaramanga wrote: We never saw jaedongs 4th so we dont know if that was saturated or not, and we dont know whether flash had reinforements at his nat Huh? we saw jaedongs 4th the entire time. Look everyone, there's no point in asking the question of Jaedong would have held 7 o clock. YES HE WOULD HAVE (for the time being) IF YOU DONT AGREE YOU'RE BLIND. Everyone who knows anything about the game stated that Jaedong was far far ahead (Idra, Kwark, Naruto, and I guess fakesteve), but it was not a definite win yet. Doesn't mean the decision was fair but there was no fair decision as soon as the game was fucked. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
My B rank friend said thatJD would have defended, attacked min only and forced it to lift, gg. And I agree. And so would you if you didn't want Flash to win so badly. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:38 Heimatloser wrote: is there a winner interview somewhere? What winner? There was absolutely no winner today in any way, everyone lost. Flash, JD, MBC, the fans, everyone are losers today. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7800 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:38 Qwertify wrote: Nothing about your point, but we do in fact know that there were no vessels because nothing on the minimap was moving in that direction. If they just came out, it would be some time before they got to the 7 o'clock base, in which case JD would likely have more units reinforcing. Also of note, at the tim eof the blackout, on the minimap it is clear that Flash's forces were retreating. Well you can see what I assume are MnM coming from the barracks around 18:42 in the Jon474 VOD so Flash was still producing... vessels could have been building, things could have been happening, the point is that we'll never know :/ it sucks | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:41 Feefee wrote: What was flash's mineral count though? You can't really stay low on minerals with mnm, even pros start climbing to 1k after awhile. I bet he had enough buffer to get his 3rd up. Then again he was pumping stuff like crazy, maybe he actually did manage to keep his minerals low. flash's main was mined out, I'm sure he was spending every mineral he got. What's more important is jd's resource count. How many waves of units he can throw at flash makes all the difference. If he had no mins in the bank and barely any units morphing, then flash had the advantage, but if jd had a ton saved, he could pump wave after wave and just brute force flash back. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:43 Vivi57 wrote: flash's main was mined out, I'm sure he was spending every mineral he got. What's more important is jd's resource count. How many waves of units he can throw at flash makes all the difference. If he had no mins in the bank and barely any units morphing, then flash had the advantage, but if jd had a ton saved, he could pump wave after wave and just brute force flash back. jd had a ton saved. almost all zergs do at this point of the game. plus it was saved mineral counts that was a key part of why jaedong was awarded the win | ||
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boredcouch
United States110 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:43 Vivi57 wrote: flash's main was mined out, I'm sure he was spending every mineral he got. What's more important is jd's resource count. How many waves of units he can throw at flash makes all the difference. If he had no mins in the bank and barely any units morphing, then flash had the advantage, but if jd had a ton saved, he could pump wave after wave and just brute force flash back. Dude seriously? Flash ahead? Please gimme some of the drugs you are taking. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:43 Vivi57 wrote: flash's main was mined out, I'm sure he was spending every mineral he got. What's more important is jd's resource count. How many waves of units he can throw at flash makes all the difference. If he had no mins in the bank and barely any units morphing, then flash had the advantage, but if jd had a ton saved, he could pump wave after wave and just brute force flash back. even if jaedong had zero resources and no larva at the time of the blackout, 7oclock being impregnable presents an insurmountable economic advantage. JD would have to do something stupid to lose the base, it's not a numbers game. | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:41 BG1 wrote: And what JD is doing nothing during this whole time? Flash was sending no reinforcements while JD has a nydus canal to send anything instantly even if his base somehow gets damaged while having dark swarm, an ultra, 2 lings and 2 sunkens. I said that jeadong had the advantage and if flash wont break the 4th soon its game for jd. Im just trying to state that looking from a vod what both have is really really hard to do. and making a decision for such a important game is even harder and I dont think anyone no matter how good they are should ever give a freewin in such a precarious situation. | ||
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