EPTEven when they cheese its boring, ie bunker rush.
I dont know what it is, no room for creativity with these structured builds?
man iris vs ggplay was a good finals..
[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 205
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stack
Canada348 Posts
Even when they cheese its boring, ie bunker rush. I dont know what it is, no room for creativity with these structured builds? man iris vs ggplay was a good finals.. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:38 Heimatloser wrote: is there a winner interview somewhere? They didn't have a translator who spoke the native language of the heater so they have to delay the interview i guess | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:40 d_so wrote: we do know jaedong wasnt mining gas from both refineries at the 7; he only had drones on the lower one and not the upper one at the very end. i'm not even trying to draw any conclusions, just trying to get a good picture of the facts This is correct. He was only mining from one extrator at the 7 oclock. Were his other bases saturated? We don't know, but there is nothing to lead us to believe that he somehow lost drone count at those bases for any reason. In fact, JD brings a drone along with his defiler when he dark swarms from the back side. He consumes the drone rather than a ling to keep his ling count high. This tells me he is either going all in and using the very last little bit he has to fight off this attack to save his expo, or he can afford to sacrifice drones at the moment. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:42 Qwertify wrote: No. You are wrong. Look at the vision of the unit just before the crash. The vision range is short but a few seconds before the crash the vision expands. This means that a building was morphing and just popped, because a hatch has a greater sight range than a morphing hatch. (Don't argue, just look at the replay, and try it out for yourself.) you're right. I didn't see the end where it expanded. To me, it just looked more like a drone's full vision from the corner of the map | ||
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mark718
United States73 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:38 Qwertify wrote: Also of note, at the tim eof the blackout, on the minimap it is clear that Flash's forces were retreating. This. In the last two seconds, Flash was pulling away from 7. Watch the minimap. Jaedong had held him off and Flash's min-only hadn't even been online for 30 seconds. He was retreating and preparing to make a (most likely) last stand. | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no. a game must be completed for a replay to be saved. if every instance of sc being used in the game (that is, both players and all observers) crashes, which is what occurred here tonight, then it is not possible to save a replay I wasn't clear on how much was included in the power outage...so the kespa observers were using the same power I suppose? The cameras stayed on so it seemed like it was possible some things didn't get cut... | ||
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stack
Canada348 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: They didn't have a translator who spoke the native language of the heater so they have to delay the interview i guess I actually have a transcript of the original right here: + Show Spoiler [winner interview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| ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:43 Vivi57 wrote: flash's main was mined out, I'm sure he was spending every mineral he got. What's more important is jd's resource count. How many waves of units he can throw at flash makes all the difference. If he had no mins in the bank and barely any units morphing, then flash had the advantage, but if jd had a ton saved, he could pump wave after wave and just brute force flash back. The thing is even if Flash had some mins saved up and JD didn't, at this point he was up on Flash 3 bases to one, Flash has 1 factory, no tanks, no siege mode upgraded, all he has is mnm. Dark swarms and plagues will overrun him with ease even if he has a ton of mnm, not to mention JD will able to refill much faster with better econ. He has a min only base and even if JD somehow doesn't kill him, he won't be able to take another base, he'll just starve. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:47 Qwertify wrote: This is correct. He was only mining from one extrator at the 7 oclock. Were his other bases saturated? We don't know, but there is nothing to lead us to believe that he somehow lost drone count at those bases for any reason. In fact, JD brings a drone along with his defiler when he dark swarms from the back side. He consumes the drone rather than a ling to keep his ling count high. This tells me he is either going all in and using the very last little bit he has to fight off this attack to save his expo, or he can afford to sacrifice drones at the moment. that's a good point but it could have just been a mistake while rallying i just really wish we could have seen the fight at the 7 finish. they were both out of units, like punch drunk fighters, and the winner of that battle would have gone a long way to winning the game... the fact that the decision was made by resource count and bases really leaves an unsatisfying taste in my mouth, especially since in any normal zvt game, zerg should be up at least 1 base + have a huge amount of resources stored just by the nature of their respective macro mechanics. can 2 or 3 sci vessels + ten marines + 6 medics beat two half dead ultras, one dark swarm, one defiler, and two sunkens? maybe... but the longer jd delayed the fight, even by seconds, would lead to an overwhelming amount of forces pouring in through they nydus (unless flash won the fight quick enough to kill the nydus).... ARGGHHH i don't know man this just sucks ass | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:28 G.s)NarutO wrote: If you guys want an objective statement about game 3, read this, if you are just a fanboy and will not accept what I write no matter what, you might aswell skip my post. I like Flash and Jaedong and didn't really care who wins the final, I just wanted to see good games, thats why I can write an opinion which is not biased. Game 3 went well for Flash in the beginning but when Jaedongs 5th's armor upgrade finished and he got a super effective flank against tons of marines which were trying to kill the 3 o`clock expansion the game slipped away from Flash. He macro'ed great and always kept pressuring, but when Jaedong saved his 4th base, being on 3 gas (+2 with securing the fourth) and Flash was nearly mined out Main/Natural and only having 1 more expansion it turned into Jaedongs favor. They key point here was that in my opinion Flashs vessel count was really low. Jaedong didn't quiet have a scary ultra army yet, but with that additional expansion and swarm he would have added ultralisks one by one and in the its pretty sure that he would have won the game. Obviously Flash is insanely good and even in that situation he could probably somehow win the game, but it looked really grim. I can understand the Flash fans didn't agree on the decision that Jaedong got the win, but to be honest the power outage put KeSPa into a lose-lose situation. I'm pretty sure if Jaedong would have been asked he would have played a regame even if he saw himself with an advantage, but that just wasn't his decision. It wasn't really fair to reward the win to Jaedong because as IdrA said, even with an disadvantage a player should never lose a game like that. On the other hand it would be really unfair towards Jaedong to force him to play a regame on the same map where he most likely had the game won. Just my 2 cents.. | ||
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endGame
United States394 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:48 mark718 wrote: This. In the last two seconds, Flash was pulling away from 7. Watch the minimap. Jaedong had held him off and Flash's min-only hadn't even been online for 30 seconds. He was retreating and preparing to make a (most likely) last stand. ur right. i just watched it again. and if flash retreated his forces, jaedong's econ would have kicked in and he would have won the game | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz179/Qwertify/FlshvsJD.jpg?t=1264254878) We have 6 drones, 2 extractors. Any clue as to what that yellow ball in the center of the map is?? Is it the Science Facility? Or Eng Bay?? | ||
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BROverlord
United States80 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: They didn't have a translator who spoke the native language of the heater so they have to delay the interview i guess best post ever. | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no. a game must be completed for a replay to be saved. if every instance of sc being used in the game (that is, both players and all observers) crashes, which is what occurred here tonight, then it is not possible to save a replay What about FPVODs? | ||
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boredcouch
United States110 Posts
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
On January 23 2010 22:55 Qwertify wrote: We have 6 drones, 2 extractors. Any clue as to what that yellow ball in the center of the map is?? Is it the Science Facility? Or Eng Bay?? Science facility, he flew it over there during one of the fights. | ||
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