[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 205

On January 23 2010 22:40 d_so wrote:


we do know jaedong wasnt mining gas from both refineries at the 7; he only had drones on the lower one and not the upper one at the very end.

i'm not even trying to draw any conclusions, just trying to get a good picture of the facts

On January 23 2010 22:42 Qwertify wrote:


No. You are wrong. Look at the vision of the unit just before the crash. The vision range is short but a few seconds before the crash the vision expands. This means that a building was morphing and just popped, because a hatch has a greater sight range than a morphing hatch. (Don't argue, just look at the replay, and try it out for yourself.)

On January 23 2010 22:38 Qwertify wrote:
Also of note, at the tim eof the blackout, on the minimap it is clear that Flash's forces were retreating.

On January 23 2010 22:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


no. a game must be completed for a replay to be saved. if every instance of sc being used in the game (that is, both players and all observers) crashes, which is what occurred here tonight, then it is not possible to save a replay

On January 23 2010 22:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


They didn't have a translator who spoke the native language of the heater so they have to delay the interview i guess

On January 23 2010 22:43 Vivi57 wrote:

flash's main was mined out, I'm sure he was spending every mineral he got. What's more important is jd's resource count. How many waves of units he can throw at flash makes all the difference. If he had no mins in the bank and barely any units morphing, then flash had the advantage, but if jd had a ton saved, he could pump wave after wave and just brute force flash back.

On January 23 2010 22:47 Qwertify wrote:


This is correct. He was only mining from one extrator at the 7 oclock.

Were his other bases saturated? We don't know, but there is nothing to lead us to believe that he somehow lost drone count at those bases for any reason. In fact, JD brings a drone along with his defiler when he dark swarms from the back side. He consumes the drone rather than a ling to keep his ling count high. This tells me he is either going all in and using the very last little bit he has to fight off this attack to save his expo, or he can afford to sacrifice drones at the moment.

On January 23 2010 22:28 G.s)NarutO wrote:
If you guys want an objective statement about game 3, read this, if you are just a fanboy and will not accept what I write no matter what, you might aswell skip my post.

I like Flash and Jaedong and didn't really care who wins the final, I just wanted to see good games, thats why I can write an opinion which is not biased.

Game 3 went well for Flash in the beginning but when Jaedongs 5th's armor upgrade finished and he got a super effective flank against tons of marines which were trying to kill the 3 o`clock expansion the game slipped away from Flash.

He macro'ed great and always kept pressuring, but when Jaedong saved his 4th base, being on 3 gas (+2 with securing the fourth) and Flash was nearly mined out Main/Natural and only having 1 more expansion it turned into Jaedongs favor. They key point here was that in my opinion Flashs vessel count was really low. Jaedong didn't quiet have a scary ultra army yet, but with that additional expansion and swarm he would have added ultralisks one by one and in the its pretty sure that he would have won the game. Obviously Flash is insanely good and even in that situation he could probably somehow win the game, but it looked really grim.

I can understand the Flash fans didn't agree on the decision that Jaedong got the win, but to be honest the power outage put KeSPa into a lose-lose situation. I'm pretty sure if Jaedong would have been asked he would have played a regame even if he saw himself with an advantage, but that just wasn't his decision.

It wasn't really fair to reward the win to Jaedong because as IdrA said, even with an disadvantage a player should never lose a game like that. On the other hand it would be really unfair towards Jaedong to force him to play a regame on the same map where he most likely had the game won.

Just my 2 cents..

On January 23 2010 22:48 mark718 wrote:



This. In the last two seconds, Flash was pulling away from 7. Watch the minimap. Jaedong had held him off and Flash's min-only hadn't even been online for 30 seconds. He was retreating and preparing to make a (most likely) last stand.

On January 23 2010 22:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


They didn't have a translator who spoke the native language of the heater so they have to delay the interview i guess

On January 23 2010 22:41 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:


no. a game must be completed for a replay to be saved. if every instance of sc being used in the game (that is, both players and all observers) crashes, which is what occurred here tonight, then it is not possible to save a replay

On January 23 2010 22:55 Qwertify wrote:


We have 6 drones, 2 extractors.

Any clue as to what that yellow ball in the center of the map is?? Is it the Science Facility? Or Eng Bay??