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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 13:57 GMT
#4101
k im done. if flash retreated his forces there's no way imo he could have won with jaedong's double gas + 3 oclock kicking in.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 23 2010 13:57 GMT
#4102
On January 23 2010 22:43 Shikyo wrote:
flash's nat a bit before end showed 2 patches mined out, this means the rest were essentially mined out as well.

My B rank friend said thatJD would have defended, attacked min only and forced it to lift, gg. And I agree. And so would you if you didn't want Flash to win so badly.

This guy who is A+ said ''jd had a massive advantage but it was not entirely over''.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
January 23 2010 14:00 GMT
#4103
On January 23 2010 22:57 d_so wrote:
k im done. if flash retreated his forces there's no way imo he could have won with jaedong's double gas + 3 oclock kicking in.


Massive advantage is pretty good... And if Idra reviews the play again watching the vods, he'd probably say it was gg 99% of the time, especially seeing Flash retreat.
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
January 23 2010 14:00 GMT
#4104
On January 23 2010 22:57 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 22:43 Shikyo wrote:
flash's nat a bit before end showed 2 patches mined out, this means the rest were essentially mined out as well.

My B rank friend said thatJD would have defended, attacked min only and forced it to lift, gg. And I agree. And so would you if you didn't want Flash to win so badly.

This guy who is A+ said ''jd had a massive advantage but it was not entirely over''.

The problem is the guy who is A+ plays Terran and Shikyo never listens to anyone who isn't a Zerg player/fan.

I have to agree with Naruto's assessment though. A regame would not have been fair for Jaedong and giving Flash an auto lose was unfair. It was a lose-lose situation, and the only way to decide was "Well, Jaedong was in a winning position at that point, so the best we can do is give Jaedong the win."

It seems like MBC has a lot of technical issues. They have issues like this in Proleague too from time to time, hopefully they can fix their problems so something like this never happens again.
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
January 23 2010 14:00 GMT
#4105
It wasn't entirely over, cause JD still had to roll over flash with ultras+lings+defilers+scourges
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 23 2010 14:02 GMT
#4106
It would not have been entirely fair to play a regame, but it would've been a much better way because JD would at least have had a chance of winning the game using his own skills at playing SC.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
January 23 2010 14:03 GMT
#4107
did flash really just lose freaking 59 elo points because of this? -25 +16 -25 -25 or what?
lol...
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
January 23 2010 14:03 GMT
#4108
lololol (Z)Power Outage is ELO rank #66 just from beating Flash
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 23 2010 14:04 GMT
#4109
There was still some minerals at flashes natural + he could have lifted his main cc to grab another expo and poof we got 2base again.
Its not like jaedong was very heavy on drones.

Jaedong had the advantage but the game wasn't over.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7870 Posts
January 23 2010 14:05 GMT
#4110
On January 23 2010 23:00 ilbh wrote:
It wasn't entirely over, cause JD still had to roll over flash with ultras+lings+defilers+scourges

Yeah because he had a bunch at the end of that VOD. :/. And because 7 was filled with drones and he was mining both gases...

It wasn't a huge huge advantage and definitely not enough to give a W/O to Jaedong
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
January 23 2010 14:05 GMT
#4111
On January 23 2010 23:03 JWD wrote:
lololol (Z)Power Outage is ELO rank #66 just from beating Flash


Better than Firebathero :D
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 23 2010 14:06 GMT
#4112
I hope MBC doesn't get too much shit from all that, cuz failing that hard one of your three main year event, can pretty much fuck them up big time.
boredcouch
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
January 23 2010 14:07 GMT
#4113
I'd like to thank you all for keeping me up all night as I have work in 1 hr.
starcraft is the greatest game ever
MartT
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom88 Posts
January 23 2010 14:07 GMT
#4114
On January 23 2010 21:31 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 21:28 Keniji wrote:
On January 23 2010 21:20 Ace wrote:
and for the last time JAEDONG DID NOT HAVE FULL TECH game 3. Jesus. It was going to come down to MM/Vessel vs Ultra/Ling/Defiler/Scourge micro AGAIN. Stop making shit up for fucks sake.


Wait.

What is a FULL TECH zerg then`?

he had 3-5 ultras (or maybe 2-4 but must be close to 3-5 considering his fast upgrades), he had defilers. Oh damn, he haven't had devourers, that not a full tech zerg, alright.

Anyway, the game might not be over 100%, but a rematch would have been as unfair to jaedong.

Jaedong played great and probably have been robbed as much as flash.



FULL TECH = all upgrades and units you expect to see in ZvT. Did you see any lurkers on the map? Did you see them sitting at the expos waiting for the inevitable drop? Right didn't think so.

Then you aren't even sure yourself if his ultras were fully upped. Lol laughable. Seriously just admit Jaedong had an advantage and leave it at that. Or are we going to go through this "Jaedong had 5 gas for 5 minutes" stuff again?


Did you see dropships?
boredcouch
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
January 23 2010 14:07 GMT
#4115
On January 23 2010 23:04 StylishVODs wrote:
There was still some minerals at flashes natural + he could have lifted his main cc to grab another expo and poof we got 2base again.
Its not like jaedong was very heavy on drones.

Jaedong had the advantage but the game wasn't over.


Really? Do you know how long it would take for a CC to get to another expansion? Be real.
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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2238 Posts
January 23 2010 14:08 GMT
#4116
On January 23 2010 23:06 Boonbag wrote:
I hope MBC doesn't get too much shit from all that, cuz failing that hard one of your three main year event, can pretty much fuck them up big time.

i hope this kills MBC, GOM will take over, hire tasteless and artosis and do english commentary of PL and GSL, not gonna happen though
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1769 Posts
January 23 2010 14:08 GMT
#4117
I miss the time when the finals games werent staged and fake.
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mark718
Profile Joined February 2008
United States73 Posts
January 23 2010 14:08 GMT
#4118
On January 23 2010 22:38 Scaramanga wrote:

We never saw jaedongs 4th so we dont know if that was saturated or not, and we dont know whether flash had reinforements at his nat


I'm assuming you mean his third? The base at 3:00? It was well saturated.

Watch, at 14:00 Flash crashes top right and kills the base. At 14:07, JD saves all the drones from there (8-10?). They run to his main for safety and return to the 3:00 once JD mops up Flash's army. So JD had at least that many drones working at 3:00 until the game blacked out.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 23 2010 14:09 GMT
#4119
On January 23 2010 23:08 ICanFlyLow wrote:
I miss the time when the finals games werent staged and fake.

Last week?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 14:09 GMT
#4120
On January 23 2010 23:04 StylishVODs wrote:
There was still some minerals at flashes natural + he could have lifted his main cc to grab another expo and poof we got 2base again.
Its not like jaedong was very heavy on drones.

Jaedong had the advantage but the game wasn't over.


i think problem is gas. flash expanded to a mineral only and was running out of gas at his natural. he woudlnt have been able to rebuild his sci vessel count, which was only at 2 or 3, and against jaedong's double gas at 7, gas at 3 and leftover gas from his natural/main, i dont think flash would have had the irradiates to win it.
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