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BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
January 23 2010 13:18 GMT
#4021
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GG
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Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 13:18:53
January 23 2010 13:18 GMT
#4022
Yeah... 10 m&ms, 3 vessels without energy. Two irriadiated ultras, one non-irradiated ultras, 2 defilers, 4-6 lings, and THREE sunkens. Even if flash squeezed out another control group more, he is not breaking 7. The only thing that bugs me is what JD had waiting on the other side of teh Nydus Canal. Was the definitive death blow? 2-3 more ultras, 12 ~ lings? I don't think it matters cause flash is not breaking 7.
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haley
Profile Joined February 2009
64 Posts
January 23 2010 13:19 GMT
#4023
On January 23 2010 22:15 Vivi57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 22:15 haley wrote:
On January 23 2010 22:10 Qwertify wrote:
On January 23 2010 22:02 BG1 wrote:
Game 3 is up with the extra 30 secs of footage that wasn't shown by kespa playback

(start minute 18)

+ Show Spoiler +



Note that all of Flashes forces got killed. 2sunks ready with ultra + defiler and swarm, 7 was safe.


There was more to the video than this. I saw on the replay that Flash's forces fought all the way back down again into JD's expo. Why are they not showing it?

I am 100% sure I saw that, too. I want to see that and the supposed extra footage that came after that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_AdKktRlSc#t=18m

uh. why is this not embedding.

I see. Thanks.
boredcouch
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
January 23 2010 13:19 GMT
#4024
Yeap, econ advantage, 7 was safe. GG
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
January 23 2010 13:19 GMT
#4025
JD was a in a better position but not by a lot.
i dont feel its fair to just give it to JD, its not like he was in Flash's base
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orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
January 23 2010 13:19 GMT
#4026
JD kisses his trophy!

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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
January 23 2010 13:20 GMT
#4027
On January 23 2010 22:18 Warrior Madness wrote:
Yeah... 10 m&ms, 3 vessels without energy. Two irriadiated ultras, one non-irradiated ultras, 2 defilers, 4-6 lings, and THREE sunkens. Even if flash squeezed out another control group more, he is not breaking 7. The only thing that bugs me is what JD had waiting on the other side of teh Nydus Canal. Was the definitive death blow? 2-3 more ultras, 12 ~ lings? I don't think it matters cause flash is not breaking 7.

The more important thing is that his pressure was defending his 2nd expo.

I was hoping that the compromise would be to give jd game 3 then play a bo7 instead. That would have made everyone happy
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7867 Posts
January 23 2010 13:20 GMT
#4028
I posted this in the "Is it fair?" thread and I want to know if it has any merit. Is this a bad analysis?

I really don't get the sense that JD's eco is all that strong from that video. He has one defiler, 2 irradiated ultras with low health, 5 lings, 1 full health ultra, 2 lings coming from 4 o clock and a ultra coming from 5 o clock. His drone count at 7 is low and it doesn't even look like he's mining any gas. (EDIT: He is mining gas from one gas)

Flash has the min only + his nat and a little more than a control group of marines + 6 medics. And if you closely watch Flash's nat around 18:42 and on you can see marines rallying out of barracks. It would have taken awhile for JD to push his econ advantage and for all we know one dropship (which he could have building, we don't know) could do alot of damage in the main, a clutch EMP (which he could have researched, we don't know) could save his min only from getting swarmed and bunkered marines could have saved it... he could have had spidermines researching, we just don't know.

The point is we have no idea if any of that stuff could happen, but that's enough reason to give flash a regame.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 13:21:32
January 23 2010 13:20 GMT
#4029
FLASH VS JAEDONG IN THE FINALS OF THE KOREAN AIR OSL
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On January 23 2010 22:19 orgolove wrote:
JD kisses his trophy!
+ Show Spoiler +

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I laughed out loud sooooooo haaaaaaaaaaaaard omggmog
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BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
January 23 2010 13:22 GMT
#4030
On January 23 2010 22:19 orgolove wrote:
JD kisses his trophy!

[image loading]

ROFL.
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endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
January 23 2010 13:22 GMT
#4031
On January 23 2010 22:18 BG1 wrote:
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GG


Yeah. Jaedong was totally pushing into Flash's base right there. GG, didn't stand a chance, I mean those two screen shots alone are enough to call the entire game. There was absolutely nothing Flash could have done to win. At all. Good job. GG.
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
January 23 2010 13:23 GMT
#4032
sunkens firing at marines under swarm would have won the game for jd imo
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
January 23 2010 13:24 GMT
#4033
On January 23 2010 22:22 endGame wrote:
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On January 23 2010 22:18 BG1 wrote:
[image loading]


[image loading]


GG


Yeah. Jaedong was totally pushing into Flash's base right there. GG, didn't stand a chance, I mean those two screen shots alone are enough to call the entire game. There was absolutely nothing Flash could have done to win. At all. Good job. GG.

Thankfully the decision wasn't made based on those two screenshots eh?
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 23 2010 13:25 GMT
#4034
On January 23 2010 22:22 endGame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 22:18 BG1 wrote:
[image loading]


[image loading]


GG


Yeah. Jaedong was totally pushing into Flash's base right there. GG, didn't stand a chance, I mean those two screen shots alone are enough to call the entire game. There was absolutely nothing Flash could have done to win. At all. Good job. GG.


watch a hundred more progames, you'll discover that very seldom is the finishing blow the most critical event during a match
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 23 2010 13:25 GMT
#4035
As much as I don't like FlaSh, game 3 deserved a rematch.
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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2237 Posts
January 23 2010 13:25 GMT
#4036
On January 23 2010 22:23 Vivi57 wrote:
sunkens firing at marines under swarm would have won the game for jd imo

He could have just run around them, no sense in this theorycrafting
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
January 23 2010 13:25 GMT
#4037
On January 23 2010 22:25 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 22:22 endGame wrote:
On January 23 2010 22:18 BG1 wrote:
[image loading]


[image loading]


GG


Yeah. Jaedong was totally pushing into Flash's base right there. GG, didn't stand a chance, I mean those two screen shots alone are enough to call the entire game. There was absolutely nothing Flash could have done to win. At all. Good job. GG.


watch a hundred more progames, you'll discover that very seldom is the finishing blow the most critical event during a match


Even so, I'm saying that this alone isn't sufficient evidence to call an entire game over.
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
January 23 2010 13:26 GMT
#4038
On January 23 2010 22:22 endGame wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 22:18 BG1 wrote:
[image loading]


[image loading]


GG


Yeah. Jaedong was totally pushing into Flash's base right there. GG, didn't stand a chance, I mean those two screen shots alone are enough to call the entire game. There was absolutely nothing Flash could have done to win. At all. Good job. GG.


Have you watched the game? Flash was all in, if he doesn't take out this base he loses. He was mined out with an unprotected mineral only expansion, while JD was on 3 gas. 1 swarm after this and it's gg.
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
January 23 2010 13:27 GMT
#4039
On January 23 2010 22:20 Vivi57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 22:18 Warrior Madness wrote:
Yeah... 10 m&ms, 3 vessels without energy. Two irriadiated ultras, one non-irradiated ultras, 2 defilers, 4-6 lings, and THREE sunkens. Even if flash squeezed out another control group more, he is not breaking 7. The only thing that bugs me is what JD had waiting on the other side of teh Nydus Canal. Was the definitive death blow? 2-3 more ultras, 12 ~ lings? I don't think it matters cause flash is not breaking 7.

The more important thing is that his pressure was defending his 2nd expo.

I was hoping that the compromise would be to give jd game 3 then play a bo7 instead. That would have made everyone happy

I was hoping for a bo7 aswell (although it would never happen), but then again, would the players really want that? 2 extra maps which they probably hadn't prepared backups strategies for.. i think that would favor the terran quite a bit aswell, as he doesnt need to worry about getting cheesed and preparing anti-strategies for just that.
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 23 2010 13:27 GMT
#4040
last minute or so

flash's mnm force gets killed:
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medics retreat:
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reinforcements arrive:
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last scene before the blackout
[image loading]


2 sunks + 2 scourge + 1 defiler + 2 ultras vs. about 10 marines, medics and 2 or 3 sci vessels.
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