• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:46
CEST 15:46
KST 22:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)6Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League4Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1
StarCraft 2
General
herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Weekly Cups (May 18-25): MaxPax wins doubles Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue
Brood War
General
Every Matchup's Top 5 Winrates (all ASLs & KSLs) Pros React To: ASL S21 Finals BW General Discussion Very long shot - StarCraft x A7X video Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck? European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development streaming software
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Customization Drives Loyalty…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1742 users

[I] Fake Delayed Spire - Page 4

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 11 12 13 Next All
shafiru
Profile Joined January 2009
111 Posts
March 04 2009 04:11 GMT
#61
This can be very useful C+ and above
bengaliToss ftw...
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 04 2009 04:20 GMT
#62
I'm mulling over some possibilities with regards to redtoothing your Spawning Pool in ZvZ to feign a 12pool when you really did a 9pool; it would require your opponent to not count your Drones but I'm sure every once in a while they wont notice that 2-3 are missing and will drone too hard to fight off your initial Zerglings.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
March 04 2009 04:24 GMT
#63
rofl @ accidentally killing your own spire

Op might wanna emphasize against this mistake. Spire gets built really slowly cuz it has low HP and large build time, so it's totally possible to kill your own spire. LOL. watch out
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
iratepornstar
Profile Joined January 2009
United States27 Posts
March 04 2009 04:25 GMT
#64
On March 04 2009 12:48 onihunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2009 12:34 ZidaneTribal wrote:
seems like could work on a lower level, but im sure pros know exactly when to scan to see the spire finish


Agreed. This won't work at D or at pro level, but in between...there's potential.

This is such a sick idea.


This idea is more viable at the pro level than any other IMO.

The only level I don't see this ever working at is mine (D)
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
March 04 2009 04:26 GMT
#65
On March 04 2009 13:24 StRyKeR wrote:
rofl @ accidentally killing your own spire

Op might wanna emphasize against this mistake. Spire gets built really slowly cuz it has low HP and large build time, so it's totally possible to kill your own spire. LOL. watch out

if you're at the level where you might accidentally kill your own spire while intentionally lowering its hp, you are not at the level where doing this trick is relevant to your play
posting on liquid sites in current year
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17064 Posts
March 04 2009 04:34 GMT
#66
Honestly, when I first saw that you were going to name something after yourself, I was getting ready to flame away, but I actually read the OP and it's a very ingenious idea.

I fully support redtoothing
Moderator
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 04 2009 04:37 GMT
#67
lol
thats cute
wont work vs koreans though, half of them dont even bother getting scanners till 50 if they see you open 3 hatch, they just know the muta timing.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 02:49:36
March 04 2009 04:41 GMT
#68
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 02:49:39
March 04 2009 04:43 GMT
#69
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
iratepornstar
Profile Joined January 2009
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 04:53:48
March 04 2009 04:50 GMT
#70
On March 04 2009 13:37 IdrA wrote:
lol
thats cute
wont work vs koreans though, half of them dont even bother getting scanners till 50 if they see you open 3 hatch, they just know the muta timing.



What about the other half? Honestly, if it works once out of 50 times it's worth it, and as Chill said there's no reason not to.
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
March 04 2009 04:55 GMT
#71
Hmm...this is actually pretty neat. I love little tricks like these that screw around with your opponent's mind.
this is my quote.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-04 05:51:02
March 04 2009 04:56 GMT
#72
never mind

redtooth is weird
a
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
March 04 2009 05:03 GMT
#73
On March 04 2009 13:26 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2009 13:24 StRyKeR wrote:
rofl @ accidentally killing your own spire

Op might wanna emphasize against this mistake. Spire gets built really slowly cuz it has low HP and large build time, so it's totally possible to kill your own spire. LOL. watch out

if you're at the level where you might accidentally kill your own spire while intentionally lowering its hp, you are not at the level where doing this trick is relevant to your play


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=25706
#5
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-15 02:47:03
March 04 2009 05:03 GMT
#74
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
March 04 2009 05:08 GMT
#75
redtooth, hats off to you for actually theorycrafting something legitimate. Everyone else has something to learn from your ingenuity.

Also, to the skeptics, find me a Terran who can successfully break Zerg's natural while mutalisks are out.
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
March 04 2009 05:10 GMT
#76
Wow that is so great. I'm so gonna have to try using that!
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 04 2009 05:15 GMT
#77
Pretty sweet idea, and like Chill said there is really no reason not to do it. If you get caught by the scan then oh well no loss, but if you don't you could have earned valuable seconds before the first turrets go up.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
March 04 2009 05:16 GMT
#78
LOL i'm gonna go try this in iccup right now
Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
March 04 2009 05:17 GMT
#79
i love how you named it after yourself
this thread made me smile

i'm a redtooth fan
conCentrate9
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States438 Posts
March 04 2009 05:25 GMT
#80
Post your replays if you do try this, guys.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Spring Champion…
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group C
Ryung vs Strange
Lambo vs Ryung
Lambo vs SKillous
WardiTV714
TKL 209
LiquipediaDiscussion
GSL
09:30
2026 Season 2: Ro8 Group B
Zoun vs RogueLIVE!
Ryung 628
IntoTheiNu 463
Rex38
CranKy Ducklings SOOP35
GSL EN (SOOP)0
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 628
TKL 209
ProTech63
Rex 38
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38826
Calm 7199
EffOrt 1035
Jaedong 882
Horang2 809
Mini 707
BeSt 296
Light 295
ggaemo 238
firebathero 234
[ Show more ]
actioN 162
Soulkey 154
Leta 128
Pusan 101
hero 80
Mind 78
Last 75
Sharp 70
ToSsGirL 68
Rush 63
Sea.KH 49
Aegong 42
Barracks 39
Shinee 27
Sacsri 25
Rock 23
Movie 23
soO 20
zelot 20
JulyZerg 19
Terrorterran 18
GoRush 18
Shine 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
Sexy 12
Noble 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Icarus 7
Dota 2
Dendi1375
qojqva927
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2086
markeloff156
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 107
Other Games
B2W.Neo1050
hiko571
Mlord458
Lowko458
DeMusliM270
Hui .120
Mew2King105
amsayoshi51
ArmadaUGS0
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL326
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1857
• Nemesis1549
• TFBlade652
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 14m
Cham vs Percival
ShoWTimE vs Lambo
Krystianer vs sebesdes
Cure vs Babymarine
SKillous vs Arrogfire
Gerald vs MindelVK
goblin vs TBD
Jumy vs HonMonO
Replay Cast
10h 14m
Maestros of the Game
23h 14m
Big Brain Bouts
1d 2h
Shino vs Scarlett
Bly vs DnS
Serral vs ByuN
Replay Cast
1d 10h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
Lambo vs SHIN
Solar vs Rogue
herO vs Clem
Maestros of the Game
1d 21h
IPSL
2 days
ZZZero vs WorsT
Julia vs eOnzErG
BSL
2 days
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs eOnzErG
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
OSC
2 days
IPSL
3 days
Dragon vs Artosis
dxtr13 vs Hawk
BSL
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 21
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

2026 KK StarCraft Pro League
BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: King of Kings
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.