EPTWhen I first read it, it brought a big smile to my face
Great job dude, it's always really fantastic to see creativity in the game after 11 years just like back in the Boxer era.
Serious kudos
[I] Fake Delayed Spire - Page 12
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United States5770 Posts
When I first read it, it brought a big smile to my face Great job dude, it's always really fantastic to see creativity in the game after 11 years just like back in the Boxer era. Serious kudos | ||
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DeepGreen
United States175 Posts
The "fail horribly," then, it's really just that on the off chance he drops your main before your spire rejuvs a few hundred hit points, the spire will be easy to kill. It's not like this is an all-in build or anything. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
StarCraft has been played for so long, and has been so deeply analyzed that coming up with anything totally original, is quite feat indeed. I imagine jealousy from people who have desired to bring something new to the game, but just haven't. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
great idea ...kinda sketch but i lovee the theory behind it :D :D redtooth-ing cute | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
This has nothing to do with whether or not the idea is innovative. Infact, I commend Redtooth for trying to be innovative since StarCraft is a game where new things can potentially come up even after more then a decade of existance. Heck, if this idea was at least somewhat feasible, I would have been among the first to use the expression "Redtoothed" since I am one of the few people who refer to 2-hatch Lurkers as the Cholera build. And who knows? Maybe one day Redtooth will think of an idea that has great practical implications. I just do not think this is the one. The fact that the idea has not seen much success in practice also does not bode well for it`s future prospects. | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
For example going FE, you sacrifice early game safety to come in with a stronger mid- and end-game. The sacrifice here is time, and a weakened spire- in exchange for a very small chance that you can delay your oppenents MT by a small amount. But the better the gammer, the less time it will take them. I'm sure a pro gammer could probably pull this off, only saccrificing about 2-5 seconds of game time. Though, IMO, the prospect of someone scanning, and seeing you raping your own spire, makes it worth it. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 05 2009 21:14 Patrio wrote: I just tried it.. He called me a hacker  See? Completely worth it. | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
i don't think what idra says about the timing of pros is true - just read his response in rekrul's thread about the scans, SC sense, etc and see how poor the kid's mind is. this is just another trick in zerg's arsenal of tricks, so this will definitely contribute in TvZ's overall balance shifting a bit towards Z (read: if it's currently X vs 100 - x, it will become X + Eps) if this becomes popular, then terrans may start investing to turrets more then they do it nowdays - like they see a normal delayed spire at 200 and start making their turrets in a hurry. pretty funny to me good job! | ||
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Dewey101
France3 Posts
But just a point : In any matchup, particulary in ZvZ, have a weaken spire can be a bit risky... Ex : In ZvZ, if he succeds to sneak into your main some lings, he can kill the spire in few seconds and you can't do nothing whereas whit full life spire you have a bit more time to react and possibly kill his lings whit your mutas / lings. Edit : Same goes whit Suicide Zealots in ZvP... | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On March 09 2009 07:39 Dewey101 wrote: Very good idea imho, will give it a try a least ! But just a point : In any matchup, particulary in ZvZ, have a weaken spire can be a bit risky... Ex : In ZvZ, if he succeds to sneak into your main some lings, he can kill the spire in few seconds and you can't do nothing whereas whit full life spire you have a bit more time to react and possibly kill his lings whit your mutas / lings. Edit : Same goes whit Suicide Zealots in ZvP... I don't see why you'd need to fake a delayed spire in zvz.... | ||
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Greece2294 Posts
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Patrio
Norway706 Posts
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On March 10 2009 19:01 Patrio wrote: I would release mine (where he called me a hacker) but Im a D player so its not worth it. I dont think any player above C+ rank would do that fake spire thing. (I could have said A just to be sure but ye you get my point, any good player wouldnt do this) | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
i offraced 3 games and tried this, they didnt even scan my base so it didnt work.. i played on D level. Its impossible on D level coz terrans only turtle with turrets and bunkers no matter what you do;) I guess abit higher rank is more doable, specially combined with 2hatch and dualtech. | ||
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Roxen000
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kiero
Canada136 Posts
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
On March 10 2009 19:49 StylishVODs wrote: thought the level of play must be high enough for him to know when to scan and also to cut back on turrettiming :/ i offraced 3 games and tried this, they didnt even scan my base so it didnt work.. i played on D level. Its impossible on D level coz terrans only turtle with turrets and bunkers no matter what you do;) I guess abit higher rank is more doable, specially combined with 2hatch and dualtech. Terrans are busy following your vods and putting up turrets at 64 supply no matter what :D | ||
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eci
Germany45 Posts
Couple this with Drone Micro Introduction As a teamliquid nerd i have time to think about new great strategies. In SC Games sometimes i have time for some additional micro. The Drone Micro idea was born. The Idea In some builds you are low on minerals at certain times. Especially if the enemy is doing some timing attack and you need more minerals build units to hold up the attack. If you can bare some micro at that time, use Drone Micro. Just send as much drones as you can back to the mineral patches by hand, use a shorter path than the AI would do. With that way, you can gather more minerals in less times. The Possible Epic Fail I never tried this strategy out. Beware of an epic fail. | ||
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