EPT[I] Fake Delayed Spire - Page 10
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done
Germany70 Posts
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Cheapo
United States1 Post
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On March 05 2009 07:42 done wrote: This idea is complete bullshit...wont win you a single game, neither against a newbie, cause he wont even notice the spire beeing hp-reduced(btw your word for it sux too) nor against a decent player, who first has a good shot at seeing the lings attack the spire wth his first scan and second will place turrets in a proper timing anyways...so yeah if you get lucky his turrets finish like 15 seconds later than usual, this means they finish right in time to fend your mutas off, given he is no korean pro-gamer.No terran at D-B ranks will time his turrets perfect, so they most likely finish slightly BEFORE the mutas actually arrive...delayed spire means nothing to their timing, despite maybe delaying them for few seconds to get extra scvs or whatever...your mutas still wont do shit, as the turrets will come early enough to stop them, just as normal, but if you get droped your spire will just disappear from your base and you will left with the thought that you should have invested your apm better than on this rubbish,... hmm i think you should tone it down a little! Just a hint if you wanna stick around ~ btw: I think this is really quite original.. Havent ever tried/seen it and I think well the chances of it working would be like 1%... But if it would work it'd go straight to pimpest plays #1 2009... awesome idea sure hope to see it sometime ^_^ | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
On March 05 2009 07:26 Smorrie wrote: Tried this three times vs different opponents. It didn't turn out effective for me in all 3 games. I got scanned in the act twice, and one game an scv scouted my spire when I just put it up and it never got scanned anymore after that. This is nice, two random ICCup guys going "wtf is he doing" hehe. Seriously though, how many lings did you use? If 6 lings only need 3 seconds to get 400 hp off, the chances of this happening seem very slight. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On March 05 2009 07:42 done wrote: This idea is complete bullshit...wont win you a single game, neither against a newbie, cause he wont even notice the spire beeing hp-reduced(btw your word for it sux too) nor against a decent player, who first has a good shot at seeing the lings attack the spire wth his first scan and second will place turrets in a proper timing anyways...so yeah if you get lucky his turrets finish like 15 seconds later than usual, this means they finish right in time to fend your mutas off, given he is no korean pro-gamer.No terran at D-B ranks will time his turrets perfect, so they most likely finish slightly BEFORE the mutas actually arrive...delayed spire means nothing to their timing, despite maybe delaying them for few seconds to get extra scvs or whatever...your mutas still wont do shit, as the turrets will come early enough to stop them, just as normal, but if you get droped your spire will just disappear from your base and you will left with the thought that you should have invested your apm better than on this rubbish,... As valid as your points are, it's generally better to come up with criticisms constructively. The OP was very modest and cautious in introducing this, so it's only gm to reproach his idea similarly. Don't be an ass. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
plz stfu. idra is a good player k? and how freakin creative can a pro terran get? i dont see many people bashing flash about not being creative. come to think of it...when has a terran been "creative" recently? no...proxies are not creative... | ||
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Zyarktodt
United States67 Posts
On March 05 2009 07:40 Smorrie wrote: Sorry LonelyMargarita, but that's just horrible  It'd be a waste of your precious gas & minerals.Also, this 'trick' already exists by building a den & spire, confusing your opponent whether you're going mutas or lurks. There's no reason to ever build 2 spires, except if you want to dual grade your mutas. I doubt that's actually viable in a serious game though. Against mech, it's pretty standard to get dual spire to keep up in upgrades. | ||
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rredtooth
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 04 2009 13:43 redtooth wrote: If the enemy zerg isn't hanging over your base with an overlord (basically four player maps with a late scout) then you could theoretically redtooth your spire again and throw off his unit composition. For example: you have an earlier spire but he sees your redtooth'd spire and thinks your spire timings are the same. Chaos ensues. The only potential downside to this is the high probability of them just killling your weakened Spire. In ZvZ it's a lot more likely than due to a ZvT runby or drop. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Though 'redtoothing' just sounds gay, sorry. But i would use it more often zvp than zvt for sure. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2927 Posts
@Zyarktodt: You can hardly upgrade from 1 spire already at that point of the game | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 05 2009 09:23 Smorrie wrote: @ramen247: IdrA used to have a nickname on west called Creative)  no i didnt skew used a name similar to that a while ago | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 05 2009 05:03 DamageControL wrote: Yes, but the guy who wrote the post, while obviously intelligent, seems to be most interested in ensuring his name gets used in SC history also: He's very defensive and kinda pushy. are you kidding try reading the context of those quotes. i explained what was wrong with his idea rationally with no insults and he gets all defensive and tries to make dumb jokes and blow it off. | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2927 Posts
On March 05 2009 09:48 IdrA wrote: no i didnt skew used a name similar to that a while ago Hm.. I always thought that was you (talking about 5~ years back or so..), but I guess I was wrong. I'll have to ask ret about that one ^_^ I think that creative) guy actually was artofglory. edit: ok, that was skew indeed | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On March 05 2009 09:50 IdrA wrote: are you kidding try reading the context of those quotes. i explained what was wrong with his idea rationally with no insults and he gets all defensive and tries to make dumb jokes and blow it off. stop trying to justify your poor behavior, your insults are too harsh and uncalled for. nobody else wants to read that, take it to PM if you must but seriously you need to just start posting better | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
 I would scan a 1/2 spire instead of a 3/4 spire and think zerg messed up with his timing and think i can build turrets later and then his mutas come when my turrets are building. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On March 05 2009 12:11 Zelniq wrote: stop trying to justify your poor behavior, your insults are too harsh and uncalled for. nobody else wants to read that, take it to PM if you must but seriously you need to just start posting better they really werent that harsh compared to other flames going around on this site... like that time when 3/4 of tl.net was bitterly making fun of the chinese commentator... why were you there to defend the poor guy. | ||
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