EPTIll upload the replay if you want aswell, he knew the timings perfectly or turreted ahead of time because he doesnt scan me attacking, no lings near it and when he scans it,.ist at 200/600 hp.
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
Ill upload the replay if you want aswell, he knew the timings perfectly or turreted ahead of time because he doesnt scan me attacking, no lings near it and when he scans it,.ist at 200/600 hp. | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
ahahah...false alarm? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 05 2009 12:11 Zelniq wrote: bit of a little girl arent youstop trying to justify your poor behavior, your insults are too harsh and uncalled for. nobody else wants to read that, take it to PM if you must but seriously you need to just start posting better btw slightly ironic that youve contributed nothing to this thread while i have and you're telling me to post better, no? | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
You also depend on him scanning after you have dealt the damage, the lings have moved away and you are hoping his comsat runs out before the spire comes up. This is an incredibly narrow window of time. It's a nice idea but I'm positive 99% of time will fail horribly. Perhaps putting down 2nd spire at main/nat and hope he scans that one? Then cancel and pump muta from the spire that is up. I think this is a lot more likely to work.... | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
On March 05 2009 15:47 Reason wrote: Didn't read all posts sorry if this has been said but the green progress bar clearly shows the spire is nearly done, if you look you can tell it's about to come up, regardless of low hp. You also depend on him scanning after you have dealt the damage, the lings have moved away and you are hoping his comsat runs out before the spire comes up. This is an incredibly narrow window of time. It's a nice idea but I'm positive 99% of time will fail horribly. Perhaps putting down 2nd spire at main/nat and hope he scans that one? Then cancel and pump muta from the spire that is up. I think this is a lot more likely to work.... if you read the posts you'd have realized that you can't see the progress bar on the opponents' buildings | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Another good way to do this would be to place it in your natural near a sunken, you can attack it with the sunk instead  | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
However, like I said before, there's little that you could lose by attacking your spire with sunken/lings, so it's still a very cute idea | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
I might not do this in ZvP because of suicidal speedlot run-ins and constant sair scouting but in ZvT, this is very beneficial | ||
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Elian
United States129 Posts
How useful it is tho, I'm not sure. Despite the Idra hatred, I think he makes a good point as far as the timings are concerned for pros. It would be fun to try, and I'm hoping someone comes back with a funny replay about it or story from playing someone they knew [who was reasonable]. Even still, not even Idra could deny the idea was cute.  It's the kind of idea that makes you think of other uses for it, even if you come up with nothing in the end. haha | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On March 05 2009 15:56 29 fps wrote: if you read the posts you'd have realized that you can't see the progress bar on the opponents' buildings GRrr I apologise for getting it wrong. Regardless the fact that you are hoping he scans in that window of time... I think this will never work. Your thoughts? So it seems it almost certainly won't work but since you don't lose anything (unless he does certain build) you may as well try it. Neat idea I guess. =/ | ||
Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
Thing I can come up with is some kind up with is very zergling-heavy harrass in the beginning, leaving it open when you'll switch to muta/lurker. This won't work on ramp-maps ofc and delaying mutas for real will give T opportunity to get vessel out etc so I dunno. Just a thought. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Pholon
Netherlands6142 Posts
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Patrio
Norway706 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
A thinkable scenario is that he will be afraid to move out because he's scared that the zerg is doing mass lings before the spire (if zerg somehow can keep him from scouting with an scv) and thus the zerg can get hold of an expansion without having it preassured and in the best case get to terrans base befgore his turrets is up. This is probably executed best if you're doing some kind of 2hatchery build where the scans have to go off before the spire is out, because 2hatch lurker is very dangerous and the terran might want to move out with a small group in time to block zergs choke or whatever. Combine this with dual tech like luxury vs leta, and other tricks and somehow the terran might actually get fooled. I don't know yet but its possible.. most of the time though, terrans will not scan until the spire is finnished, but many things can happen during a starcraft game. | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On March 05 2009 22:16 ZerG~LegenD wrote: I think a progamer terran is more likely to look at the drone count rather than the spire timing if he suspects mass lings. Speed before lair is what delays tech, and if he went speed first there is no reason to not attack before scans are up. yeah, but i guess mixed with dual tech or whatever it might set terran abit off and suspicious. Alot of things can happen and while this might not be anything near revolutionary it could still work sometimes. Its an insteresting idea and has to develop before getting into use properly imo. also why are you not on vent? ^^ haven't seen you in a while. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13069 Posts
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
to be effective the terran has to scan when its above 90%. Basically there is a time window of like ~ 10 seconds where the terran has to scan. its very unlikely......... then again you have nothing to lose^^ | ||
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kawoq
Guatemala357 Posts
I do think this can work 1 time in the pro escene but onlye once, maybe in a final bo5 you can trick your opponent if he has never see it before, but never will work again, so I dont think it is a "revolution" or anything, just something you can do once in a lifetime, it depends on you to use it in the right time ^^. Idra, I do think you have a point, the thread author is way to defensive about the idea and cant take a bad opinion about it, sad thing he only want/expect to receive good comments about it. Is a cute idea, may work once, not more. GL for those trying it, maybe I am wrong, what it really needs is to get tryed, redtooth as a suggestion you should try it yourself or look for a good zerg to try it for you several times and watch the results. Also stop the insults, just ignore them, will make a better thread. | ||
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