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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
Please give sAviOr a break. His days of match fixing were years ago. I was literally finishing secondary school and starting college when he first began to fix matches and I was a vastly different person back then. Based on the fact that people always change, I feel that to indict a person for life based on a scandal like this is going a bit overboard. Just... get over the fact he played in a Chinese tournament already. What's done is done. It's in the past. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:47 XenOsky- wrote: e-Sports and actual Sports are not quite the same thing. because one thing is played with a computer and the other not? Sorry, I realise they are not the same thing but why can't we have a game which will be played over decades? | ||
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:47 XenOsky- wrote: e-Sports and actual Sports are not quite the same thing. Yep! "ESPORTS" is based on corporate greed, unlike traditional sports. Therefore a game in "ESPORTS" can't last for longer than a decade; that wouldn't be as profitable for developers and merchandisers. | ||
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:53 Clbull wrote: Dear Korea. Please give sAviOr a break. His days of match fixing were years ago. I was literally finishing secondary school and starting college when he first began to fix matches and I was a vastly different person back then. Based on the fact that people always change, I feel that to indict a person for life based on a scandal like this is going a bit overboard. Just... get over the fact he played in a Chinese tournament already. What's done is done. It's in the past. Dear Clbull, Did you consider that Savior never apologized for his actions and continues to make money off the game he helped destroy? Ah, why do I bother.. These arguments have been repeated hundreds of times. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:54 Potling wrote: Yep! "ESPORTS" is based on corporate greed, unlike traditional sports. Therefore a game in "ESPORTS" can't last for longer than a decade; that wouldn't be as profitable for developers and merchandisers. hey lets not give big professional sports a pass here, its also all about money money money | ||
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
On December 03 2013 09:00 Klonere wrote: hey lets not give big professional sports a pass here, its also all about money money money There is greed within sports, sure, but not on all levels. Supporting "ESPORTS" seems to be all about supporting whatever developments are most profitable for developers and merchandisers ("for the sake of ESPORTS") You won't hear of football fans being told to cheer for the death of football in favor of Football 2 so a company can sell a new type of balls  | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:53 Clbull wrote: Dear Korea. Please give sAviOr a break. His days of match fixing were years ago. I was literally finishing secondary school and starting college when he first began to fix matches and I was a vastly different person back then. Based on the fact that people always change, I feel that to indict a person for life based on a scandal like this is going a bit overboard. Let's forget about the fact that he didn't serve a single day in jail despite his conviction. Let's just pretend that he is a changed man (although the fact that he has sued people for leaving negative comments about him on web sites suggests otherwise...along with many other facts) We can let him be a part of normal society and treat him like a normal person if we meet him. We can say that he's a good person and stop calling him an asshole. I am fine with that. However, doing that and letting him play in tournaments is a whole different thing. That goes beyond forgiving Savior and extends into the territory of endangering the livelihoods of innocent pro gamers for the sake of "forgiving him". This is another false dichotomy that is often employed in Savior threads. There is actually a middle ground between the two extremes of treating Savior like trash forever and letting him play in BW tournaments. Giving him a second chance at life does not require that we give him a second chance at pro gaming. He can sell cell phones like Ji Young-hoon. On December 03 2013 08:53 Clbull wrote: Just... get over the fact he played in a Chinese tournament already. What's done is done. It's in the past. Yeah, it's done, which is why people are calling for Chinese cooperation with future tournaments...which would take effect in the...future. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
LOL | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
On December 03 2013 09:17 Rekrul wrote: kespa still exists? because of On December 03 2013 09:17 Rekrul wrote: LOL | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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fuzzylogic44
Canada2633 Posts
On December 02 2013 18:04 zeo wrote: Blizzard can fuck off. Them having anything to do with BW is even worse than savior playing every event normaly like nothing happened... Creating the game is a pretty significant thing having to do with it | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
muahahaha :D | ||
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hoby2000
United States918 Posts
Kespa is still being a whiny bitch about one of their star players who made a critical mistake in his gaming career because he wants to play in a tournament that's not Kespa sanctioned, and now they're complaining to Papa Bear so he will make sure that their childish actions go through? I understand Kespa is mad at Savior for what he did, but what they're doing right now is out right fucking stupid. You guys created the system that created him, then are mad at him for continuing to play tournaments and showmatch events in a game you trained him to play? He doesn't have other skills, and it's something he was amazing at. If he can't play in Kespa sanctioned tournaments, fine, but don't be childish fucking pricks and attempt to stop him from doing it outside of Korea. I fucking hate Kespa, and I honestly hope they fail. Look, I know they're making Esports in Korea great, but they're oppressors, and are going to be worse for this scene in the long run. Get these fuck tards out of this business please. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
What you did there, I'm seeing it. | ||
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lemmata
468 Posts
Also, when local sports leagues ban someone, it is standard operating procedure to ask the international governing body to enforce these bans across borders. It's certainly not uncommon in soccer. In this case, that governing body happens to be Blizzard. That may seem unnatural because Blizzard is a corporate entity, but it is what it is. It is needed in order to make the bans be effective. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Dan answers his own questions. -.^ | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 03 2013 04:31 arb wrote: he did knock Bisu out of the OSL Or MSL one though Iirc. after Bisu had won 3 titles haha. Obv referring to the famous "when he has won 3 titles he can challenge me" quote lol he didn't knock bisu out, he won on blue storm with a masterful cheese and lost on katrina because LOLKATRINAPVZ | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
and it was beautiful | ||
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