EPTSC2 in Proleague? - Page 30
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arfyron
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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n0btozz
Iceland115 Posts
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:43 Cri du Chat wrote: I hope they dont do it. I am already bored by SC2 after this one year. Hope that there will still be good old BW leagues to watch. I'm merely concerned with how much BW they'll cover as a result of this. Though to be honest, with the new considerations of giving BW less air time to let people keep track of what's going on, that might not necessarily be an issue. Meh. I'll just make sure I watch PL whenever BW is on. | ||
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
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tyr
France1686 Posts
I really hope both scenes can coexist but I dunno ... BW still remains the game with the most money involved and I don't think it's going to change any time soon, especially if the big names (those who have the most fans) don't switch, which they won't. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 20 2011 02:34 bgx wrote: so basically b-teamers will have the job ?  edit: i dont see any real a-teamer to switch but countless b-teamers/practice partners would change to pursue this as their career (idra example) Dude I think IdrA has moved past B-teamer... If placing fourth at MLG beating bomber, boxer, and tying with MKP, and then winning Ghangzou, does not qualify as an "A-teamer," I do not know what does | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3091 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:01 Pelopidas wrote: I played SC2 for a while but stopped once I realized that Blizzard was more concerned with the way casuals view the game than the actual game play experience. Now it seems that something I tried to get away from has chased me to my last refuge, and set it on fire. I just want BW to be left alone. Why is it so important that BW players switch to SC2? Why can't you SC2 fans just be happy that you get constant coverage of games from players all over the world? It really irritates me that Blizzard has managed to astroturf a commercialized imitation of the eSports scene that sprung up spontaneously in Korea. By funding huge prize pools, and by using the name Starcraft, Blizzard managed to have the entire noncompetitive foreigner scene, many B teamers, and washed up pros switch to SC2. In my opinion many fans were duped into feeling like they were participating in something like the early days of Brood War, like they were blazing a trail for an eSports scene in the west. Instead it feels as if Blizzard is using the scene as a gigantic advertisement to sell more copies of SC2, while collecting a large percentage of tournament profits on the side. Blizzard, in attempt to parallel the way they were able to dominate the MMO genre with WoW, has created an RTS with its edges worn off, and have enriched their coffers, while gaining publicity, and recognition, with a competitive scene that attempts to parrot. To me the game is far too different from Brood War to be its true successor. Even so, I would be willing to accept and tolerate it as long as Brood War was left alone. Now, however, Blizzards tendrils have started to touch something I hold dear, I don't know what to do. It seems I am forced to sit idle while something I enjoy is torn apart in the name of Activision-Blizzard's bottom line. Are you kidding me? You're actually trying to pretend that it's BLIZZARD that is creating the Western e-sports scene, that they're just 'astroturfing' a fake scene? Blizzard has barely been keeping up with things; it's been the many, many sponsors, the many dedicated fans, and the many dedicated community figures like Day9, Artosis, Tasteless, Husky, and the like, who have built and continue to build the modern SC2 e-sports scene. Blizzard has barely lifted a finger. Now, with the Korean scene, you at least have a digit to stand on, since Blizzard seems to have subsidized GOM, at least at first; but even there, GOM has done 95% of the work, and the fans and the players have worked and dedicated their hearts out to make it successful. See, this is where I get a little bit angry. I don't mind when BW fans (among which I definitely count myself) say that BW is a better game than SC2. I don't really mind (though I think it's stupid and wrong) when they say that Blizzard is greedy and doesn't care about e-sports. But when you go and insult the sweat, passion, hard work, and dedication of millions of fans, players, casters, sponsors, and organizers...well, kark that. If this is what it means to support BW, then you can count me out. I enjoy both games. If you don't like one, then fine, don't watch it. But don't you dare slander the fans on the other side. That goes for you too, "I want BW to die" people. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:47 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Dude I think IdrA has moved past B-teamer... If placing fourth at MLG beating bomber, boxer, and tying with MKP, and then winning Ghangzou, does not qualify as an "A-teamer," I do not know what does He is talking about BW, SC2 doesnt even have B-teamers | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:47 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Dude I think IdrA has moved past B-teamer... If placing fourth at MLG beating bomber, boxer, and tying with MKP, and then winning Ghangzou, does not qualify as an "A-teamer," I do not know what does Idra was a B-teamer. I don't see how his accomplishments in SC2 will change anything he did during his CJ BW career, and he might have been the best foreigner hands down, he still was a b-teamer in CJ. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:47 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Dude I think IdrA has moved past B-teamer... If placing fourth at MLG beating bomber, boxer, and tying with MKP, and then winning Ghangzou, does not qualify as an "A-teamer," I do not know what does IdrA is an A-teamer in SC2. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:51 tyr wrote: Idra was a B-teamer. I don't see how his accomplishments in SC2 will change anything he did during his CJ BW career, and he might have been the best foreigner hands down, he still was a b-teamer in CJ. In SC1 IdrA was clearly a B if not C teamer. He didn't get any team televised matches or anything and by Korean standards he was considered the worst in the league. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On October 20 2011 06:17 Angra wrote: I'm assuming you're going to get a lot of hate for this post, and while I don't share the exact same feelings as you, I completely understand what you mean and am in like 90% agreement with you. SC2 really isn't anything like BW. I want to know... does every BW follower feel like this? Did you want SC2 to be a BW remake? Or did you just want that BW feel (for example all the current units in SC2 but with the BW mechanics)? What happened to the foreign BW community? just a few questions | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
The BW S-team roster is another story altogether, but let's avoid the topic... | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:47 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Dude I think IdrA has moved past B-teamer... If placing fourth at MLG beating bomber, boxer, and tying with MKP, and then winning Ghangzou, does not qualify as an "A-teamer," I do not know what does While I don't agree with the snide passive-aggressiveness in this thread, IdrA can never be considered an A-team player in BW because he was never close to that in his entire career. His own assessment of himself was 'the 2nd best Terran on CJ's B-team (paraphrase)' and that presumably contained some self-bias as well. I don't even remember seeing him play in the Dream League (team league for B-team players), even though CJ was sending other B-team Terran players, though I think IdrA did manage to play a few times once upon a time. Bomber, BoxeR and MKP were all B-team level players before they switched to SC2, not to discredit their achievements or anything. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:53 leo23 wrote: I want to know... does every BW follower feel like this? Did you want SC2 to be a BW remake? Or did you just want that BW feel (for example all the current units in SC2 but with the BW mechanics)? What happened to the foreign BW community? just a few questions obviously not everybody feels the same way in any community. some wanted a bw remake, some wanted that other thing you said, others don't care about it at all. not everyone is the same. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:53 leo23 wrote: I want to know... does every BW follower feel like this? Did you want SC2 to be a BW remake? Or did you just want that BW feel (for example all the current units in SC2 but with the BW mechanics)? What happened to the foreign BW community? just a few questions A lot of us appreciated BW for several reasons. 1. It had a really high skill cap (so winning gave you the most badass feeling in the world). This meant that automining didn't exist, hotkeys were super important, and macroing and microing took a lot of effort. In SC2, the skill cap is lower and as a result, the feeling of badassery disappears. 2. The races were dynamic and interesting. Each one of them had different dynamics that made them special. In SC2, it's pretty much the same: summon a ball of units and attack. Whoever wins the swings end up winning. I'd elaborate more, but I don't think I really need to. 3. Skills required skills. People would scream "plaguuuuuu!!!!" or "STORMMMUUUUU" or "MINE MINE MINES" because people would plague amazingly, place storms in the most critical of places, and mine up in a clever way, that it showed that it required great foresight and skill to do. In SC2, it's spam the hotkey with your templar, press the T button and just press your mouse a few times. Same thing with infestors and most other spell units. (this kind of goes with point one, but I felt like it deserved its separate part). 4. SC2 visuals are bad (as in actually trying to watch the game, not graphics). In BW, the visuals looked awesome because you could clearly see battles (even with less graphic appeal). In SC2, everything tightens into a ball. The only thing you see is the stim, or the blink, or the banelings. There's nothing much after that. 5. SC2 units are dumb. We feel the marauder is a dumb unit, or the stalker is a retarded unit, or the infestor will never replace the defiler. Hellions are dumb. Medivacs don't make sense. This game is just filled with units that we don't like. These are only some reasons why. SO yeah. Pick whichever one, and you get a good combo of why we don't like SC2. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:52 BlazeFury01 wrote: In SC1 IdrA was clearly a B if not C teamer. He didn't get any team televised matches or anything and by Korean standards he was considered the worst in the league. On October 20 2011 07:54 dukethegold wrote: I honestly believe SC2 brought out the hidden potential within the suppressed ex-BW B teamers such as MKP, MVP, ZergBong, Idra, etc. The current BW A-team will not fare significantly better than the current SC2 roster. It will be competitive. The BW S-team roster is another story altogether, but let's avoid the topic... Some people here seem to be confused. A-teamer/B-teamer isn’t a measurement of skill per se. Being an A-teamer means that you are on the proleague rooster while a B-teamer cannot participate in proleague. There is no such thing as C-teamer or S-teamer. This should not be confused with the term S-class player, which is just a loose term for the best players around. Just thought I should clarify this  | ||
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Reptilia
Chile913 Posts
On October 20 2011 07:43 Cri du Chat wrote: I hope they dont do it. I am already bored by SC2 after this one year. Hope that there will still be good old BW leagues to watch. If your bored about SC2, then simply don't watch it. Not because they add SC2 they will reduce BW games or something. Don't be so selfish. | ||
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