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On October 20 2011 06:39 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:38 Kybuar wrote:On October 20 2011 06:36 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 20 2011 06:33 Kybuar wrote:
I play only SC2 and I hope that we do not, for any reason, out shine or take the spot light from the BW players. This is their league, and they have been through enough drama for one game life time. If both games can be played together without one being more favored than the other than I am happy with this.
Since, I have only seen some Bisu, Flash, and jaedong games I think it would be funny if they played a showmatch against some of the sc2 players and they rofl stomped them. Money speaks, not diehard fans in what happens to BW. Yeah, but I can hope. It is a shame. I bought BW a few weeks ago to see why it was so popular and I really enjoyed it. A lot different than SC2. Only problem was the graphics :/
There's really no problem with the graphics for how old the game is...we're talking Windows 98, man.
And not to mention the graphics aren't bad at all. They're not "realistic" or flashy like games nowadays but they are clear and concise and you don't mix things up.
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Damn this is big news! I really hope they go through with it. It sounds like it will be a nice, slow, easy transition if this happens.
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On October 20 2011 05:52 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 05:45 PhoenixDark wrote:On October 20 2011 05:41 TheGlassface wrote:On October 20 2011 05:36 PhoenixDark wrote:On October 20 2011 05:28 gen.Sun wrote:
The Windows XP analogy is asinine. BW is a sport, just like Baseball or Chess. When they invented softball not every baseball player went to play that new game. When they invented checkers not every chess player went to play that new game. SC2 is a new, different, and imo shittier, game, just like WC3 and AOE3 or whatever that came after BW. It's not an 'upgrade', the only thing it shares with SC1 is the name.
Sports, with consistent rules, lasts for centuries. Expecting BW to die after a decade is stupid, and shows that you don't believe in 'esports' at all. The engine of esports is still technology. It's hard to make a direct 1:1 comparison to an actual sport like baseball or football. As technology and gaming advance, different games begin to dominate whereas others are forgotten; you can't expect a piece of technology to stay the same and still dominate a market 10, 15, 20 years down the line. Whereas chess is still chess, and remains a popular game no matter what; it's not tethered to anything, like a videogame is tethered to technology. They aren't directly analogous. I expect BW to die, like any other out of date tech/videogame; and guess what, 12-15 years from now SC2 will die too, and our kids will be talking about SC3. That doesn't mean I don't believe in "esports," It means I understand how markets evolve. I'm pretty certain one of the nice things about technology is the ability to have backwards compatibility. I'm also pretty sure my top of the line, new end PC can play my "out of date" BW just fine and actually, with less lag than the "new and evolved" videogame due to the basic inclusion of technology and not intentional crippling for profit margins. Don't bring up how new and high tech SCII is while BNET2.0 still exists please. BNET 2.0 sucks, at least we agree on something. I'm sure people will still be playing BW competitively in some form or fashion for years. Just as people still play Pac Man competitively. But my point is that esports are driven by a medium that changes years, often drastically so. BW will always exist, it's not like every copy will be burned or something. But its decline and ultimate death as a global esport is inevitable, just as SC2's is. Don't know why people are arguing with you. Your overarching point is correct, and I don't think you've been too inflammatory with your words/tone. Every game has a lifespan, and that lifespan will run out someday. That's just how the world turns. SCBW, War3  , DotA, and SC2 will all die one day. It could be years from now, it could be next year, but it'll happen someday.
Chess is timeless... Why not BW?
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Here's what I see happening:
-SC2 Proleague starts with the Kespa teams like KT and Oz and they will use their own players (newly recruited SC2 players and maybe some BW B-teamers).
-GSL continues as it is with their teams like IM, OGS and so forth.
-There will then be a championship between the winners of each league like a World Series. It will be similar to how the NFL is split into NFC and AFC or baseball is split into National and American League.
-Broodwar will only be marginally affected as I suspect the teams will allow some of the B-teamers to switch over if they want to while still maintaining their contracts. A-teamers will be unaffected and the BW Proleague and individual leagues (at least OSL) will continue on like nothing has changed.
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Who will have time to cast it in english?
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On October 20 2011 06:45 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:39 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 20 2011 06:38 Kybuar wrote:On October 20 2011 06:36 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 20 2011 06:33 Kybuar wrote:
I play only SC2 and I hope that we do not, for any reason, out shine or take the spot light from the BW players. This is their league, and they have been through enough drama for one game life time. If both games can be played together without one being more favored than the other than I am happy with this.
Since, I have only seen some Bisu, Flash, and jaedong games I think it would be funny if they played a showmatch against some of the sc2 players and they rofl stomped them. Money speaks, not diehard fans in what happens to BW. Yeah, but I can hope. It is a shame. I bought BW a few weeks ago to see why it was so popular and I really enjoyed it. A lot different than SC2. Only problem was the graphics :/ There's really no problem with the graphics for how old the game is...we're talking Windows 98, man. And not to mention the graphics aren't bad at all. They're not "realistic" or flashy like games nowadays but they are clear and concise and you don't mix things up.
Which is appropriate I think for a game as micro intensive as BW.
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On October 20 2011 06:48 DiamondTear wrote:
Who will have time to cast it in english?
I doubt it will be cast in English. Kespa has never shown any interest what-so-ever in expanding outside of Korea.
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On October 20 2011 06:44 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 02:31 Waxangel wrote:
*KeSPA is the governing body of the Korean e-Sports, and is in charge of running the Proleague, Brood War's premiere team level competition that has yearly seasons similar to pro sports leagues around the world. I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand this correctly. By e-Sports you mean Brood War only right? And why do you write e-Sports then?
He's defining KeSPA. He means e-Sports, and he's correct.
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Hey this is super nub question but what site shows the current sc1 kespa or OSl tournies or w/e? I've never watched bw and I'd like to.
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This could be a great thing. SC2 can improve and gain real legitimacy in Korea and perhaps Brood War will acquire even more viewers from newer SC2 fans checking it out.
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On October 20 2011 06:51 SargonTheGreat wrote:
Hey this is super nub question but what site shows the current sc1 kespa or OSl tournies or w/e? I've never watched bw and I'd like to.
TL does, right here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/vods/
<3 Moktira
Enjoy!
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On October 20 2011 06:45 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:39 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 20 2011 06:38 Kybuar wrote:On October 20 2011 06:36 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 20 2011 06:33 Kybuar wrote:
I play only SC2 and I hope that we do not, for any reason, out shine or take the spot light from the BW players. This is their league, and they have been through enough drama for one game life time. If both games can be played together without one being more favored than the other than I am happy with this.
Since, I have only seen some Bisu, Flash, and jaedong games I think it would be funny if they played a showmatch against some of the sc2 players and they rofl stomped them. Money speaks, not diehard fans in what happens to BW. Yeah, but I can hope. It is a shame. I bought BW a few weeks ago to see why it was so popular and I really enjoyed it. A lot different than SC2. Only problem was the graphics :/ There's really no problem with the graphics for how old the game is...we're talking Windows 98, man. And not to mention the graphics aren't bad at all. They're not "realistic" or flashy like games nowadays but they are clear and concise and you don't mix things up.
Yeah, I actually love the BW art. It leaves a lot to your imagination. My interpretation of a probe is surely different from everyone else's. Even when I first saw the hydralisk it looked soooooo different to me than what it looks in star2. It wasn't till I saw a legitimate 'artist' (non in-game sprite) image of the hydra, did I know exactly what I was looking at. This goes for pretty much all the units.. except the marine lol..
Not really ripping on sc2 at all, just showing my love for bw [:
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On October 20 2011 06:50 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:44 Jamial wrote:On October 20 2011 02:31 Waxangel wrote:
*KeSPA is the governing body of the Korean e-Sports, and is in charge of running the Proleague, Brood War's premiere team level competition that has yearly seasons similar to pro sports leagues around the world. I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand this correctly. By e-Sports you mean Brood War only right? And why do you write e-Sports then? He's defining KeSPA. He means e-Sports, and he's correct.
How do they govern SC2 if it's Gretech (gom) who run SC2?
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Huh, well that was certainly unexpected.
I thought GomTV has exclusive broadcasting rights in Korea for 2 years?
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This sounds like pretty shitty news tbh
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On October 20 2011 06:54 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:50 bearbuddy wrote:On October 20 2011 06:44 Jamial wrote:On October 20 2011 02:31 Waxangel wrote:
*KeSPA is the governing body of the Korean e-Sports, and is in charge of running the Proleague, Brood War's premiere team level competition that has yearly seasons similar to pro sports leagues around the world. I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand this correctly. By e-Sports you mean Brood War only right? And why do you write e-Sports then? He's defining KeSPA. He means e-Sports, and he's correct. How do they govern SC2 if it's Gretech (gom) who run SC2?
KeSPA is an agency that governs eSports in Korea through progamer licences and through the tournaments it organizes. Kart Rider, Special Forces and Brood War are the most popular ones that KeSPA is responsible for. SC2 players don't have progamer licences, and are not associated with KeSPA yet.
You are confusing the phenomenon of SC2 with a more national approach towards gaming that Korea has taken. They are different, but might be merged, such as this thread suggests.
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Hmm.. I'm wondering how strict they will be with vods. Will we be allowed to still upload everything to Youtube? This better not effect BW vods... Kespa has been pretty relaxed with their vods so far... WCG was the one that cracked down on Jon747. Thoughts?
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On October 20 2011 06:54 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:50 bearbuddy wrote:On October 20 2011 06:44 Jamial wrote:On October 20 2011 02:31 Waxangel wrote:
*KeSPA is the governing body of the Korean e-Sports, and is in charge of running the Proleague, Brood War's premiere team level competition that has yearly seasons similar to pro sports leagues around the world. I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand this correctly. By e-Sports you mean Brood War only right? And why do you write e-Sports then? He's defining KeSPA. He means e-Sports, and he's correct. How do they govern SC2 if it's Gretech (gom) who run SC2?
They don't, hence the whole IeSF debacle. KeSPA is in charge of sending players there, but they're not affiliated with SC2, hence no one was sent.
Just to clarify a bit: esports is a very loose term. KeSPA is a government approved organization to manage "esports" while gom is pretty much an independent body.
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On October 20 2011 06:54 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:50 bearbuddy wrote:On October 20 2011 06:44 Jamial wrote:On October 20 2011 02:31 Waxangel wrote:
*KeSPA is the governing body of the Korean e-Sports, and is in charge of running the Proleague, Brood War's premiere team level competition that has yearly seasons similar to pro sports leagues around the world. I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand this correctly. By e-Sports you mean Brood War only right? And why do you write e-Sports then? He's defining KeSPA. He means e-Sports, and he's correct. How do they govern SC2 if it's Gretech (gom) who run SC2?
I don't see them governing SC2. I see them governing the same BW teams that they always have, except now those teams will have SC2 division. All the other teams that are currently competing in GSL will remain ungoverned. Well, that's my guess at least.
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Tasteless and Artosis casting offical KeSpa SC2 TeamLeague... a man can dream 
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