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On July 30 2011 02:29 Turenne wrote:
Have to agree with a lot of this. Its a shame that a once great game like BW is nearly dead, but its very unfair that so many BW fans feel the need to take their frustration out on SC2 and its fans who merely wish to enjoy SC2 without harassment.
This is the real problem. Everyone acts that because SC2 has the 2 on the end, it MUST be superior, and bw MUST no longer be the great game it was. Then SC2 followers come into our forums, tell us our favourite game is dieing, is no longer great, and we should move over to SC2.
THEN after all that the SC2 poster is suprised there is backlash from those still passionate about SCBW, decides it wasn't anything to do with his post and then calls us all trolls.
Rather unfair dont you think?
@above post about MLG, I watched the last MLG and must say, sc2 is above most iother strategy games as an esport, however i still dont beilieve it is as good as BW, I wont hwever go onto your threads telling you that your game doesnt deserve to have its place. I have done that in the past, mostly in jest as in the GSL slogan contest, but I realise its silly and achieves nothing. especialy as SC2 isnt BAD, i just dont like it as much.
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No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 30 2011 03:22 Turenne wrote:
No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
holy moly
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none of what is happening is too ideal:
the amount of respect for all that has happened, and for all the people involved with sc:bw, from many young or new starcraft/RTS players. i'd honestly be ashamed in myself and for others if i realized i[we] could have done better to enjoy the game more and to also give back to its scene.
and enough of what those same young rts players would consider as respect for this new-found game, that they've decided to take seriously
at the end of the day i understand that it's frustrating to accommodate for the rude and unnecessary---except that i don't understand completely or well enough----i honestly rather just try to enjoy this new game and immerse myself in this newer pro-gaming scene. & tune into the regular running sc:bw tournaments in korea, while tapping into the older and extremely insightful articles analyzing such a deep game as BW, alll to somehow help my sc2 game and understanding
i can imagine that it's hard for some people to believe that hardcore bw players who look down on sc2 (i know i did for a while before its release) have really taken giving the game a try very seriously. i mean, i have laddered harder in sc2 than i ever had in sc1, and i'm taking it more seriously as well---but this is partly because i have grown up and matured as a person with starcraft as one of my favourite hobbies, bringing new mindsets to how i approach this new and (what i consider an,) exciting game.
i also don't think itt is ideal to try and tolerate/ignore each other for what we play and spend our time on, even though they are different games in many ways. it is more unfair leaning towards sc:bw communities to have to deal with constant starcraft newbies and trolling, but you are also well deserving starcraft vets. i look at it as though it's care-taking of a newly conceived child
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On July 30 2011 03:22 Turenne wrote:
No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
In the west it's been dying (as in less people playing) for years, with the exception of us die-hard fans hanging out on TL. It's far from dead in Korea, where SC2 is less popular. People who follow professional BW knows this, and aren't really bothered with how many people play it outside of Korea, when the Korean scene has been all that matters for many many years. Don't say it's dying when it's still going strong where it matters.
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Ok, nowhere in my ENTIRE POST did I attack you so here you go.
You are a dick who is clearly ignoring the reasonable posts and is just trying to cause problems.
That enough of an attack for you?
It isnt neccessarily UNFAIR to say it if thats what you think, but its unneccessary, there is no reason to. Especialy as lots of us, myself included, don't think BW is dying, Theres gas in that tank yet. Thats why we take it personally, the only reason to say it would be spite or trolling really..
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On July 30 2011 03:22 Turenne wrote:
No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
That's not the point, guy. It's about having the maturity to recognize bw fans maybe (just maybe) know the bw scene is struggling, and that it's probably not appropriate to come in and tell us that "hell, it's about time." There are a thousand analogies I could use to illustrate this point - e.g. the mourning ones used in this and the MBC thread - while praying that you would, in fact, possess the common human decency to be empathetic, had this been in "real life," and not the internet.
And again, it's ironic that you lambast the bw community while even this last post of yours implies that we're delusional and don't "live in the real world." If you still don't understand why these attitudes aren't very welcome here, then...honestly, I don't know what to say.
I don't know what kind of a kick you get out of coming into bw threads and making incendiary posts like these, but stop. It's garbage, you wouldn't do it "in the real world," and you're wasting everyone's time.
:edit: whoops he got banned. at least I bumped up my whatpulse key count :O
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On July 30 2011 03:22 Turenne wrote:
No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
User was temp banned for this post.
I am ashamed that you're a part of the SC2 community
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On July 30 2011 03:01 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 02:58 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 02:14 kainzero wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i think the hostility comes from the fact that you're interacting with a general community. and there's always hostility in anything like that.
want to start a flame war? just go to any random RPG thread/board and say you like final fantasy 6 over final fantasy 7. it will happen, unless you're posting on a final fantasy 6 thread on a final fantasy 6 board.
you can also:
mention the word OP in any SC2 forum.
suggest they rebalance something in any game.
suggest story changes for a movie.
however if you want to really know the meat of a community, you need to get involved and not start shit with anything. want to get into BW? play BW! watch BW! meet people who watch and play BW and play and watch with them! there's way too much debating on the internet and it's sad that the image of a community is based on that and not what's actually getting done in the game.
i remember the influx of new players to shoryuken.com after sf4 came out. tons of hate everywhere between 3s, mvc2, sf2 players and sf4 players on the boards. but in real life everyone was friendly. everyone tried other games and got along with everyone else unless people wanted to start shit by saying their game is the better game.
there will always be trolls and people wanting to start shit, whether it's laker fans suggesting one-sided trades to pick up dwight howard, sc2 fans wanting jaedong/flash/stork/bisu to switch to sc2, etc. etc. but they're never really the heart and soul of any community, and any of this hostility is usually instigated by like 3 or 4 people and debated endlessly on the internet instead of actually getting involved in the hobby itself. But but but.. 6 is really awesome. I may be biased since i just replayed 6 not too long ago. But its about as good as 7 imho, especially the Characters' special skills (Rage, Trance, Blitz, Bushido, Sketch etc) are so unique, plus Relic system makes it interesting.. But so are Materias >.<. Ah, i almost forgot this is the Hostility thread, guess i better post something on topic. No sense in explaining the hate imho, what can be said is already said. All in all, its not like explaining why they (especially the trespassers) receive the hates is going to make them feel better. Most people should be perfectly aware of the current circumstances by now, after this many pages. @ Turenne Making excuses is useless. Read Ryo's post again, and then take another look at your own. I really like 8 though... cuz it's just something I enjoy so much also I am a Rinoa fan
Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS.
Seriously, all she does is whine and be useless, and make Squall spontaneously go from "Whatever" to "I wuv you Bella!" between discs 2 and 3.
I always thought 9 was under-rated, but that's probably because I played it before I played 6.
But X-2 was an awful game I felt dirty for even getting halfway through, and XIII made me want to go to Japan and start punching people randomly. I guess XII wasn't bad, but I keep forgetting about it, even when I'm playing it.
You know what game I can't get into? Warcraft 3. People call SC2 a dumbed-down BW, but Warcraft 3, man. Especially in the single player, my armies felt extraneous because of how much better my heroes were, given that I had enough supply for like 2 archers. I guess it's just not my kind of game, though. I can't even beat the computer in multiplayer 
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On July 30 2011 03:45 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 03:01 Blasterion wrote:On July 30 2011 02:58 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 02:14 kainzero wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i think the hostility comes from the fact that you're interacting with a general community. and there's always hostility in anything like that.
want to start a flame war? just go to any random RPG thread/board and say you like final fantasy 6 over final fantasy 7. it will happen, unless you're posting on a final fantasy 6 thread on a final fantasy 6 board.
you can also:
mention the word OP in any SC2 forum.
suggest they rebalance something in any game.
suggest story changes for a movie.
however if you want to really know the meat of a community, you need to get involved and not start shit with anything. want to get into BW? play BW! watch BW! meet people who watch and play BW and play and watch with them! there's way too much debating on the internet and it's sad that the image of a community is based on that and not what's actually getting done in the game.
i remember the influx of new players to shoryuken.com after sf4 came out. tons of hate everywhere between 3s, mvc2, sf2 players and sf4 players on the boards. but in real life everyone was friendly. everyone tried other games and got along with everyone else unless people wanted to start shit by saying their game is the better game.
there will always be trolls and people wanting to start shit, whether it's laker fans suggesting one-sided trades to pick up dwight howard, sc2 fans wanting jaedong/flash/stork/bisu to switch to sc2, etc. etc. but they're never really the heart and soul of any community, and any of this hostility is usually instigated by like 3 or 4 people and debated endlessly on the internet instead of actually getting involved in the hobby itself. But but but.. 6 is really awesome. I may be biased since i just replayed 6 not too long ago. But its about as good as 7 imho, especially the Characters' special skills (Rage, Trance, Blitz, Bushido, Sketch etc) are so unique, plus Relic system makes it interesting.. But so are Materias >.<. Ah, i almost forgot this is the Hostility thread, guess i better post something on topic. No sense in explaining the hate imho, what can be said is already said. All in all, its not like explaining why they (especially the trespassers) receive the hates is going to make them feel better. Most people should be perfectly aware of the current circumstances by now, after this many pages. @ Turenne Making excuses is useless. Read Ryo's post again, and then take another look at your own. I really like 8 though... cuz it's just something I enjoy so much also I am a Rinoa fan Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS. Seriously, all she does is whine and be useless, and make Squall spontaneously go from "Whatever" to "I wuv you Bella!" between discs 2 and 3. I always thought 9 was under-rated, but that's probably because I played it before I played 6. But X-2 was an awful game I felt dirty for even getting halfway through, and XIII made me want to go to Japan and start punching people randomly. I guess XII wasn't bad, but I keep forgetting about it, even when I'm playing it. You know what game I can't get into? Warcraft 3. People call SC2 a dumbed-down BW, but Warcraft 3, man. Especially in the single player, my armies felt extraneous because of how much better my heroes were, given that I had enough supply for like 2 archers. I guess it's just not my kind of game, though. I can't even beat the computer in multiplayer
Dude I remember playing WC3 the first time I made so many peasants that I realized I shouldn't have and just made them into militia and killed the opponent
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So here we have yet another example of the "troll". That's what makes me somewhat hostile towards SC2 members at TL.
But to be honest, as I said before, I simply don't care about SC2.
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On July 30 2011 03:45 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 03:01 Blasterion wrote:On July 30 2011 02:58 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 02:14 kainzero wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i think the hostility comes from the fact that you're interacting with a general community. and there's always hostility in anything like that.
want to start a flame war? just go to any random RPG thread/board and say you like final fantasy 6 over final fantasy 7. it will happen, unless you're posting on a final fantasy 6 thread on a final fantasy 6 board.
you can also:
mention the word OP in any SC2 forum.
suggest they rebalance something in any game.
suggest story changes for a movie.
however if you want to really know the meat of a community, you need to get involved and not start shit with anything. want to get into BW? play BW! watch BW! meet people who watch and play BW and play and watch with them! there's way too much debating on the internet and it's sad that the image of a community is based on that and not what's actually getting done in the game.
i remember the influx of new players to shoryuken.com after sf4 came out. tons of hate everywhere between 3s, mvc2, sf2 players and sf4 players on the boards. but in real life everyone was friendly. everyone tried other games and got along with everyone else unless people wanted to start shit by saying their game is the better game.
there will always be trolls and people wanting to start shit, whether it's laker fans suggesting one-sided trades to pick up dwight howard, sc2 fans wanting jaedong/flash/stork/bisu to switch to sc2, etc. etc. but they're never really the heart and soul of any community, and any of this hostility is usually instigated by like 3 or 4 people and debated endlessly on the internet instead of actually getting involved in the hobby itself. But but but.. 6 is really awesome. I may be biased since i just replayed 6 not too long ago. But its about as good as 7 imho, especially the Characters' special skills (Rage, Trance, Blitz, Bushido, Sketch etc) are so unique, plus Relic system makes it interesting.. But so are Materias >.<. Ah, i almost forgot this is the Hostility thread, guess i better post something on topic. No sense in explaining the hate imho, what can be said is already said. All in all, its not like explaining why they (especially the trespassers) receive the hates is going to make them feel better. Most people should be perfectly aware of the current circumstances by now, after this many pages. @ Turenne Making excuses is useless. Read Ryo's post again, and then take another look at your own. I really like 8 though... cuz it's just something I enjoy so much also I am a Rinoa fan Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS. Seriously, all she does is whine and be useless, and make Squall spontaneously go from "Whatever" to "I wuv you Bella!" between discs 2 and 3. I always thought 9 was under-rated, but that's probably because I played it before I played 6. But X-2 was an awful game I felt dirty for even getting halfway through, and XIII made me want to go to Japan and start punching people randomly. I guess XII wasn't bad, but I keep forgetting about it, even when I'm playing it. You know what game I can't get into? Warcraft 3. People call SC2 a dumbed-down BW, but Warcraft 3, man. Especially in the single player, my armies felt extraneous because of how much better my heroes were, given that I had enough supply for like 2 archers. I guess it's just not my kind of game, though. I can't even beat the computer in multiplayer
Dude ur crazy, Witch Rinoa is crazy strong @.@ ... Although i agree that the story tried to make her out to be too much of a "Damsel in Distress", after that short stint of being the Resistance Leader at the start. A strong image like Tifa or to a lesser extent Terra is better received imo.
In any case, my only beef with with FF8 is the draw system. It can get really tedious n boring, and doesnt serve a lot of purpose. Junction is unique, but isnt nearly as rewarding or interesting as Materia. The Limit Break system though is the best we have yet. Especially Duel and Angel Wing.
9 is great, i really enjoyed it. Maybe the new kids who started with PSX generation cant appreciate the older style, but having played all the previous installments, i enjoyed 9 thoroughly (not as much as 6 though, mind).
I was disappointed at 13 too at first, but after giving it another go (i completed it the first time), i felt it actually is a very well-designed game. They cut off too much of the game (~40-60GB?) to fit into a XBOX360 though, so its understandable the game turned out to be a linear one-way road. But it had a lot of potential before that. Im looking forward to part 2 this coming January.
And 12's lack of Romance made me sigh
Discussing Final Fantasy is so much more interesting than useless stuffs like Hostilities :3
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On July 30 2011 04:51 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 03:45 Ribbon wrote:On July 30 2011 03:01 Blasterion wrote:On July 30 2011 02:58 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 02:14 kainzero wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i think the hostility comes from the fact that you're interacting with a general community. and there's always hostility in anything like that.
want to start a flame war? just go to any random RPG thread/board and say you like final fantasy 6 over final fantasy 7. it will happen, unless you're posting on a final fantasy 6 thread on a final fantasy 6 board.
you can also:
mention the word OP in any SC2 forum.
suggest they rebalance something in any game.
suggest story changes for a movie.
however if you want to really know the meat of a community, you need to get involved and not start shit with anything. want to get into BW? play BW! watch BW! meet people who watch and play BW and play and watch with them! there's way too much debating on the internet and it's sad that the image of a community is based on that and not what's actually getting done in the game.
i remember the influx of new players to shoryuken.com after sf4 came out. tons of hate everywhere between 3s, mvc2, sf2 players and sf4 players on the boards. but in real life everyone was friendly. everyone tried other games and got along with everyone else unless people wanted to start shit by saying their game is the better game.
there will always be trolls and people wanting to start shit, whether it's laker fans suggesting one-sided trades to pick up dwight howard, sc2 fans wanting jaedong/flash/stork/bisu to switch to sc2, etc. etc. but they're never really the heart and soul of any community, and any of this hostility is usually instigated by like 3 or 4 people and debated endlessly on the internet instead of actually getting involved in the hobby itself. But but but.. 6 is really awesome. I may be biased since i just replayed 6 not too long ago. But its about as good as 7 imho, especially the Characters' special skills (Rage, Trance, Blitz, Bushido, Sketch etc) are so unique, plus Relic system makes it interesting.. But so are Materias >.<. Ah, i almost forgot this is the Hostility thread, guess i better post something on topic. No sense in explaining the hate imho, what can be said is already said. All in all, its not like explaining why they (especially the trespassers) receive the hates is going to make them feel better. Most people should be perfectly aware of the current circumstances by now, after this many pages. @ Turenne Making excuses is useless. Read Ryo's post again, and then take another look at your own. I really like 8 though... cuz it's just something I enjoy so much also I am a Rinoa fan Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS. Seriously, all she does is whine and be useless, and make Squall spontaneously go from "Whatever" to "I wuv you Bella!" between discs 2 and 3. I always thought 9 was under-rated, but that's probably because I played it before I played 6. But X-2 was an awful game I felt dirty for even getting halfway through, and XIII made me want to go to Japan and start punching people randomly. I guess XII wasn't bad, but I keep forgetting about it, even when I'm playing it. You know what game I can't get into? Warcraft 3. People call SC2 a dumbed-down BW, but Warcraft 3, man. Especially in the single player, my armies felt extraneous because of how much better my heroes were, given that I had enough supply for like 2 archers. I guess it's just not my kind of game, though. I can't even beat the computer in multiplayer Dude ur crazy, Witch Rinoa is crazy strong @.@ ... Although i agree that the story tried to make her out to be too much of a "Damsel in Distress", after that short stint of being the Resistance Leader at the start. A strong image like Tifa or to a lesser extent Terra is better received imo. In any case, my only beef with with FF8 is the draw system. It can get really tedious n boring, and doesnt serve a lot of purpose. Junction is unique, but isnt nearly as rewarding or interesting as Materia. The Limit Break system though is the best we have yet. Especially Duel and Angel Wing. 9 is great, i really enjoyed it. Maybe the new kids who started with PSX generation cant appreciate the older style, but having played all the previous installments, i enjoyed 9 thoroughly (not as much as 6 though, mind). I was disappointed at 13 too at first, but after giving it another go (i completed it the first time), i felt it actually is a very well-designed game. They cut off too much of the game (~40-60GB?) to fit into a XBOX360 though, so its understandable the game turned out to be a linear one-way road. But it had a lot of potential before that. Im looking forward to part 2 this coming January. And 12's lack of Romance made me sigh Discussing Final Fantasy is so much more interesting than useless stuffs like Hostilities :3
Romance and story makes the Final Fantasy for me. Gameplay is important but for a visual novel enthusiast like myself, Story takes precedence to all else
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On July 30 2011 04:51 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 03:45 Ribbon wrote:On July 30 2011 03:01 Blasterion wrote:On July 30 2011 02:58 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 02:14 kainzero wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i think the hostility comes from the fact that you're interacting with a general community. and there's always hostility in anything like that.
want to start a flame war? just go to any random RPG thread/board and say you like final fantasy 6 over final fantasy 7. it will happen, unless you're posting on a final fantasy 6 thread on a final fantasy 6 board.
you can also:
mention the word OP in any SC2 forum.
suggest they rebalance something in any game.
suggest story changes for a movie.
however if you want to really know the meat of a community, you need to get involved and not start shit with anything. want to get into BW? play BW! watch BW! meet people who watch and play BW and play and watch with them! there's way too much debating on the internet and it's sad that the image of a community is based on that and not what's actually getting done in the game.
i remember the influx of new players to shoryuken.com after sf4 came out. tons of hate everywhere between 3s, mvc2, sf2 players and sf4 players on the boards. but in real life everyone was friendly. everyone tried other games and got along with everyone else unless people wanted to start shit by saying their game is the better game.
there will always be trolls and people wanting to start shit, whether it's laker fans suggesting one-sided trades to pick up dwight howard, sc2 fans wanting jaedong/flash/stork/bisu to switch to sc2, etc. etc. but they're never really the heart and soul of any community, and any of this hostility is usually instigated by like 3 or 4 people and debated endlessly on the internet instead of actually getting involved in the hobby itself. But but but.. 6 is really awesome. I may be biased since i just replayed 6 not too long ago. But its about as good as 7 imho, especially the Characters' special skills (Rage, Trance, Blitz, Bushido, Sketch etc) are so unique, plus Relic system makes it interesting.. But so are Materias >.<. Ah, i almost forgot this is the Hostility thread, guess i better post something on topic. No sense in explaining the hate imho, what can be said is already said. All in all, its not like explaining why they (especially the trespassers) receive the hates is going to make them feel better. Most people should be perfectly aware of the current circumstances by now, after this many pages. @ Turenne Making excuses is useless. Read Ryo's post again, and then take another look at your own. I really like 8 though... cuz it's just something I enjoy so much also I am a Rinoa fan Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS. Seriously, all she does is whine and be useless, and make Squall spontaneously go from "Whatever" to "I wuv you Bella!" between discs 2 and 3. I always thought 9 was under-rated, but that's probably because I played it before I played 6. But X-2 was an awful game I felt dirty for even getting halfway through, and XIII made me want to go to Japan and start punching people randomly. I guess XII wasn't bad, but I keep forgetting about it, even when I'm playing it. You know what game I can't get into? Warcraft 3. People call SC2 a dumbed-down BW, but Warcraft 3, man. Especially in the single player, my armies felt extraneous because of how much better my heroes were, given that I had enough supply for like 2 archers. I guess it's just not my kind of game, though. I can't even beat the computer in multiplayer Dude ur crazy, Witch Rinoa is crazy strong @.@ ... Although i agree that the story tried to make her out to be too much of a "Damsel in Distress", after that short stint of being the Resistance Leader at the start. A strong image like Tifa or to a lesser extent Terra is better received imo. In any case, my only beef with with FF8 is the draw system. It can get really tedious n boring, and doesnt serve a lot of purpose. Junction is unique, but isnt nearly as rewarding or interesting as Materia. The Limit Break system though is the best we have yet. Especially Duel and Angel Wing. 9 is great, i really enjoyed it. Maybe the new kids who started with PSX generation cant appreciate the older style, but having played all the previous installments, i enjoyed 9 thoroughly (not as much as 6 though, mind). I was disappointed at 13 too at first, but after giving it another go (i completed it the first time), i felt it actually is a very well-designed game. They cut off too much of the game (~40-60GB?) to fit into a XBOX360 though, so its understandable the game turned out to be a linear one-way road. But it had a lot of potential before that. Im looking forward to part 2 this coming January. And 12's lack of Romance made me sigh Discussing Final Fantasy is so much more interesting than useless stuffs like Hostilities :3
XD........... doesn't PSX refer to playstation one ?
that's what i always thought anyway
i always called it PSX instead of PS1 to be a hipster that way
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As a huge BW fan and someone who watches almost every PL match I don't really feel that much tension at all... I think BW is a better game but I'll still catch SC2 matches on occasion. Don't see the big deal either way.
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On July 30 2011 04:57 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 04:51 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 03:45 Ribbon wrote:On July 30 2011 03:01 Blasterion wrote:On July 30 2011 02:58 ffreakk wrote:On July 30 2011 02:14 kainzero wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i think the hostility comes from the fact that you're interacting with a general community. and there's always hostility in anything like that.
want to start a flame war? just go to any random RPG thread/board and say you like final fantasy 6 over final fantasy 7. it will happen, unless you're posting on a final fantasy 6 thread on a final fantasy 6 board.
you can also:
mention the word OP in any SC2 forum.
suggest they rebalance something in any game.
suggest story changes for a movie.
however if you want to really know the meat of a community, you need to get involved and not start shit with anything. want to get into BW? play BW! watch BW! meet people who watch and play BW and play and watch with them! there's way too much debating on the internet and it's sad that the image of a community is based on that and not what's actually getting done in the game.
i remember the influx of new players to shoryuken.com after sf4 came out. tons of hate everywhere between 3s, mvc2, sf2 players and sf4 players on the boards. but in real life everyone was friendly. everyone tried other games and got along with everyone else unless people wanted to start shit by saying their game is the better game.
there will always be trolls and people wanting to start shit, whether it's laker fans suggesting one-sided trades to pick up dwight howard, sc2 fans wanting jaedong/flash/stork/bisu to switch to sc2, etc. etc. but they're never really the heart and soul of any community, and any of this hostility is usually instigated by like 3 or 4 people and debated endlessly on the internet instead of actually getting involved in the hobby itself. But but but.. 6 is really awesome. I may be biased since i just replayed 6 not too long ago. But its about as good as 7 imho, especially the Characters' special skills (Rage, Trance, Blitz, Bushido, Sketch etc) are so unique, plus Relic system makes it interesting.. But so are Materias >.<. Ah, i almost forgot this is the Hostility thread, guess i better post something on topic. No sense in explaining the hate imho, what can be said is already said. All in all, its not like explaining why they (especially the trespassers) receive the hates is going to make them feel better. Most people should be perfectly aware of the current circumstances by now, after this many pages. @ Turenne Making excuses is useless. Read Ryo's post again, and then take another look at your own. I really like 8 though... cuz it's just something I enjoy so much also I am a Rinoa fan Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS. Seriously, all she does is whine and be useless, and make Squall spontaneously go from "Whatever" to "I wuv you Bella!" between discs 2 and 3. I always thought 9 was under-rated, but that's probably because I played it before I played 6. But X-2 was an awful game I felt dirty for even getting halfway through, and XIII made me want to go to Japan and start punching people randomly. I guess XII wasn't bad, but I keep forgetting about it, even when I'm playing it. You know what game I can't get into? Warcraft 3. People call SC2 a dumbed-down BW, but Warcraft 3, man. Especially in the single player, my armies felt extraneous because of how much better my heroes were, given that I had enough supply for like 2 archers. I guess it's just not my kind of game, though. I can't even beat the computer in multiplayer Dude ur crazy, Witch Rinoa is crazy strong @.@ ... Although i agree that the story tried to make her out to be too much of a "Damsel in Distress", after that short stint of being the Resistance Leader at the start. A strong image like Tifa or to a lesser extent Terra is better received imo. In any case, my only beef with with FF8 is the draw system. It can get really tedious n boring, and doesnt serve a lot of purpose. Junction is unique, but isnt nearly as rewarding or interesting as Materia. The Limit Break system though is the best we have yet. Especially Duel and Angel Wing. 9 is great, i really enjoyed it. Maybe the new kids who started with PSX generation cant appreciate the older style, but having played all the previous installments, i enjoyed 9 thoroughly (not as much as 6 though, mind). I was disappointed at 13 too at first, but after giving it another go (i completed it the first time), i felt it actually is a very well-designed game. They cut off too much of the game (~40-60GB?) to fit into a XBOX360 though, so its understandable the game turned out to be a linear one-way road. But it had a lot of potential before that. Im looking forward to part 2 this coming January. And 12's lack of Romance made me sigh Discussing Final Fantasy is so much more interesting than useless stuffs like Hostilities :3 XD........... doesn't PSX refer to playstation one ? that's what i always thought anyway i always called it PSX instead of PS1 to be a hipster that way
I thought PSX refered to something that works for all Play Stations
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On July 30 2011 03:45 Ribbon wrote:
Rinoa fans are killing ESPORTS.
I think Blitzball fans killed ESPORTS.
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On July 30 2011 02:54 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 02:48 Turenne wrote:On July 30 2011 02:42 Ryo wrote:On July 30 2011 02:29 Turenne wrote:On July 30 2011 01:50 ampson wrote:
So it's like the situation with WoW and how other MMOs have difficulty taking hold in the market. BW has been evolving for 10 years, the strategies are refined, the balance is proven, the skill ceiling is high and the game has pretty much been figured out. SC2 is still young with 2 more expansions to go, so the play will naturally not be as refined as brood war for quite some time. This is why I think that the BW fans don't like starcraft 2....yet.
As for the community, BW fans have been here forever and dislike the flood of people SC2 brought because it makes them a smaller fish in a bigger pond. And a lot of them act like elitists because of this. Can't say that it's pleasant, but I don't care what they think. Have to agree with a lot of this. Its a shame that a once great game like BW is nearly dead, but its very unfair that so many BW fans feel the need to take their frustration out on SC2 and its fans who merely wish to enjoy SC2 without harassment. How ironic. Your condescending tone is not necessary. Just a little bit of respect from BW fans towards SC2 fans would go a long way. But isn't it hard for someone to show respect when you kind of are telling their passion is going to die blatantly to their face? There is a old saying, Messengers of Peace do not carry spears.
It's what I was saying before. One of those touchy subjects that you really need to find the right place and time to post about or else it just flames up into a shitstorm.
On July 30 2011 03:22 Turenne wrote:
No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
User was temp banned for this post.
I don't even know what to say to something like this lol.
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On July 30 2011 05:58 tripper688 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 02:54 Blasterion wrote:On July 30 2011 02:48 Turenne wrote:On July 30 2011 02:42 Ryo wrote:On July 30 2011 02:29 Turenne wrote:On July 30 2011 01:50 ampson wrote:
So it's like the situation with WoW and how other MMOs have difficulty taking hold in the market. BW has been evolving for 10 years, the strategies are refined, the balance is proven, the skill ceiling is high and the game has pretty much been figured out. SC2 is still young with 2 more expansions to go, so the play will naturally not be as refined as brood war for quite some time. This is why I think that the BW fans don't like starcraft 2....yet.
As for the community, BW fans have been here forever and dislike the flood of people SC2 brought because it makes them a smaller fish in a bigger pond. And a lot of them act like elitists because of this. Can't say that it's pleasant, but I don't care what they think. Have to agree with a lot of this. Its a shame that a once great game like BW is nearly dead, but its very unfair that so many BW fans feel the need to take their frustration out on SC2 and its fans who merely wish to enjoy SC2 without harassment. How ironic. Your condescending tone is not necessary. Just a little bit of respect from BW fans towards SC2 fans would go a long way. But isn't it hard for someone to show respect when you kind of are telling their passion is going to die blatantly to their face? There is a old saying, Messengers of Peace do not carry spears. It's what I was saying before. One of those touchy subjects that you really need to find the right place and time to post about or else it just flames up into a shitstorm. Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 03:22 Turenne wrote:
No, it is not unfair to say a game is dying when it is blatantly dying. The only problem here is the numerous people deep in denial - that is understandable, but there is no need to attack those of us who live in the real world.
User was temp banned for this post. I don't even know what to say to something like this lol.
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The opinion of Turenne is that of his own and does not reflect the official views of the Starcraft 2 community and its members
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