What's with all the hostility?

Aron Times

United States312 Posts

July 27 2011 21:18 GMT

I'm a Starcraft 2 player, and I sometimes lurk in the other forums here on TL.net to check up on how things are going. One thing that I have noticed in the BW forums is the hostility towards Starcraft 2, and to a lesser extent, its players. I find this quite odd as most Starcraft 2 players and pros that I know of speak very fondly of BW, placing it high on a pedestal as one of the greatest creations of humanity.

I'm thinking of reinstalling Brood War again, perhaps to play the campaign to refresh my memory of past events. Maybe even some 1v1 games? That is, if I can find my CDs and my ancient CD key. More likely, I'll have to buy the game again. However, the general hostility towards the new discourages me from participating more in the game's dwindling community.

P.S.

My opinion doesn't matter since I got demoted to Platinum in Season 3.

Redmark

Canada2129 Posts

July 27 2011 21:20 GMT

trolling and anti-trolling mostly

G3CKO

Canada1430 Posts

July 27 2011 21:23 GMT

With SC2 this website seemed to have attracted a bunch of immature kiddies that don't understand much about how this site works or how BW works. Those people seem to give a lot of SC2 players a bad name.

ZeroChrome

Canada1001 Posts

July 27 2011 21:26 GMT

There is a general hostility towards followers of the quasi religious ESPORTS movement who come into BW threads, don't read a single post, and then make some useless incendiary post about how BW players should switch to SC2. Nobody has a problem with considerate SC2 players, just look at some of the threads of people trying out BW. They are all given a very warm welcome.

GolemMadness

Canada11044 Posts

July 27 2011 21:26 GMT

Pro Starcraft 2 players may speak well of Brood War, but there are tons of annoying Starcraft 2 fans who come on the Brood War boards/chat rooms and constantly talk about Brood War players switching over to Starcraft 2 and how Brood War's old and obsolete and stuff. Tends to cause some tension.

Aron Times

United States312 Posts

July 27 2011 21:26 GMT

Anyway, does anyone know where I can buy SC + BW cheap and legal? It's $19.99 on Battle.net.

puppykiller

United States3137 Posts

July 27 2011 21:27 GMT

No one I know is hostile to ppl who are switching from sc2 to BW. Most hostility i notice is directed towards ppl who know absolutely nothing about BW trying to talk about the game like they play it everyday.

a7choi

United States1664 Posts

July 27 2011 21:28 GMT

almost all sc2 players on TL don't speak fondly of bw...

ZeroChrome

Canada1001 Posts

July 27 2011 21:28 GMT

You can download BW free from iCCup, but you can't play on the official servers with that version.

VGhost

United States3616 Posts

July 27 2011 21:29 GMT

#10

It's an interesting question. Honestly I'd understand some of the hostility going the BW -> SC2 direction, as the sequel's taking a lot of attention away from the older and much-loved game. Even though there hasn't been a "foreign" scene for years, and even the Korean scene was having issues even before SC2, it's a lot easier to just blame some over-hyped money-grubbing sequel. So there's that.

However, if you check bans and warnings, most of the nonsense seems goes the other way, with people introduced to TL through SC2 talking a lot of nonsense about "wanting BW to die" and "lol BW so outdated" - which generates hostility in turn.

Snuggles

United States1865 Posts

July 27 2011 21:32 GMT

#11

Usually the older a game gets the nastier its community will be. It's not uncommon for a BW player to completely ignore your questions or comments during an OSL stream, although it's not rude it most certainly is cold. The way the BW community acts is much different from the SC2 community right now since they're all mostly veteran players who are used to speaking with those who know their stuff while we SC2 guys are out worshipping the game like a cult.

Doesn't really bother me to be honest, it's just what is to be expected from an old community. SC2 will be the same way too when SC3 comes out.

Aron Times

United States312 Posts

July 27 2011 21:36 GMT

#12

On July 28 2011 06:28 ZeroChrome wrote:
You can download BW free from iCCup, but you can't play on the official servers with that version.

Does it include the singleplayer campaigns and UMS maps?

ZeroChrome

Canada1001 Posts

July 27 2011 21:38 GMT

#13

On July 28 2011 06:36 Eternal Dalek wrote:

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Does it include the singleplayer campaigns and UMS maps?

No you can't play singleplayer.

hayata2.0

Canada655 Posts

July 27 2011 21:42 GMT

#14

I feel its because there are a few ignorant asshats among the SC2 fans who just show up in BW threads and start spouting stuff like how BW dying would be the best thing ever since all the players would switch to SC2 and other stupid stuff like that.

These people give the rest of the SC2 fans a bad name, seeing as they're pretty much walking up to someone else's party uninvited, and saying that everyone should leave and come to their party cause this party sucks and theirs newer and better. Of course the guys that like the original party being intruded upon is going to be hostile towards those guys.

Of course, they probably don't know better and don't know that they're stepping on people's toes, but that just speaks to their ignorance and insensitivity.

There's not as much going the other way seeing as the diehard BW fans tend to have the SC2 forums minimized in the sidebar and don't even look at them.

l10f

United States3241 Posts

July 27 2011 21:43 GMT

#15

I don't understand why everyone says that BW forums are hostile against SC2. I haven't seen much of that except in few special threads that are just begging for trolls to spread hatred. It's a BW forum, so you shouldn't be talking about SC2 unless it relates to BW or the topic, and if it does, I don't think people are that hostile against those posts.

Itachii

Poland12466 Posts

July 27 2011 21:46 GMT

#16

I don't hate SC2, i just ignore it.

hellbound

United Kingdom2242 Posts

July 27 2011 21:47 GMT

#17

On July 28 2011 06:36 Eternal Dalek wrote:

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Does it include the singleplayer campaigns and UMS maps?

No, it is a stripped down Multilayer only version, I don't know why you wouldn't be able to run UMS maps on it though.

To play single player legally you will have to buy it, though I've heard that legitimate keys can be found on the internet.

As for the hostility, there is no hostility. Blatant ignorance, trolling, using logical fallacies, imposing one's convictions on others. The kind of things will cause hostility everywhere, it has little to do with BW or SC2 or the corresponding fanbases. There are no "lets flame SC2" threads in the BW section. But if, for example, in a BW strategy discussion some smartass starts spouting off about vikings crawlers etc what kind of reaction would you expect? It is true that some people who got lost get harsh reactions, but there is a lot more deliberate ignorance than than genuine ignorance.

Zamkis

Canada114 Posts

July 27 2011 21:51 GMT

#18

The hostility is a defensive stance that followed the massive influx of players coming from SC2. Teamliquid before SC2 had quite a different atmosphere, and the community was also different. We lost that old Teamliquid, which is now filled with SC2 stuff that some BW followers don't really care about, myself included. When you lose something dear to you, it's somewhat understandable to reject that which caused the loss.
Also keep in mind that before SC2, Teamliquid's members were in my opinion amongst the most knowledgeable, respectful and constructive posters of any gaming community. A bit elitist, sure, however that's how most members wanted TL to be. The SC2 crowd brought it's share of ignorant and immature people with it.

Aron Times

United States312 Posts

July 27 2011 21:51 GMT

#19

Damn. Looks like Blizzard is getting moar of my money. I'm like an addict who grumbles about having to pay loads of money to his dealer but ends up coming back for more. Oh Blizzard, why you troll me?

Lucumo

6850 Posts

July 27 2011 21:53 GMT

#20

On July 28 2011 06:26 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Anyway, does anyone know where I can buy SC + BW cheap and legal? It's $19.99 on Battle.net.

Buy it online, on amazon or something. 13$ for retail is ok, in my opinion.

On July 28 2011 06:42 hayata2.0 wrote:
There's not as much going the other way seeing as the diehard BW fans tend to have the SC2 forums minimized in the sidebar and don't even look at them.

Exactly

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