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erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
July 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#21
On July 28 2011 06:46 Itachii wrote:
I don't hate SC2, i just ignore it.


+1!

Also, I don't see any bw > sc2 hate in the BW forums unless it's called for. For example, in the MBC thread, insensitive assholes who think the death of such a loved channel is a good thing for SC2 is just asking for flames.

Most of the perceived hostility towards SC2 is due to the majority of SC2 fans being completely unable to understand exactly what BW means to this (pre-sc2) community.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
July 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#22
As has been said, the problem is more people who seem to be totally unaware of the roots of TL.net, and post things that are quite rude. I like both games, but prefer watching BW, since the level of skill and strategy is so much higher than SC2.
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blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
July 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#23
I despise this whole "ESPORTS"-concept. For me it is just a bunch of nerds trying to add importance to their game, without knowing how the BW-scene looks like and then coming over to these forums to write about change and stuff.

I don't fucking care about ESPORTS. I only care about BW and it's players,

On July 28 2011 06:42 hayata2.0 wrote:


There's not as much going the other way seeing as the diehard BW fans tend to have the SC2 forums minimized in the sidebar and don't even look at them.


I consider myself guilty.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
July 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#24
There are some Sc2 fans who act in a disrepectful way out of ignorance but they're not the majority. They just want to voice their opinion, unfortunately they lack knowledge so it may or may not tend to annoy BW fans. This, plus the fact that Sc2 did not live up to some BW fans' expectations.

I was like that too, an arrogant fanboy, and I rightfully earned a warning as well as a temp ban. Then I started to watch BW and I got to understand how glorious and epic it is.
o choro é livre
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 27 2011 22:00 GMT
#25
On July 28 2011 06:42 hayata2.0 wrote:
I feel its because there are a few ignorant asshats among the SC2 fans who just show up in BW threads and start spouting stuff like how BW dying would be the best thing ever since all the players would switch to SC2 and other stupid stuff like that.

These people give the rest of the SC2 fans a bad name, seeing as they're pretty much walking up to someone else's party uninvited, and saying that everyone should leave and come to their party cause this party sucks and theirs newer and better. Of course the guys that like the original party being intruded upon is going to be hostile towards those guys.

Of course, they probably don't know better and don't know that they're stepping on people's toes, but that just speaks to their ignorance and insensitivity.

There's not as much going the other way seeing as the diehard BW fans tend to have the SC2 forums minimized in the sidebar and don't even look at them.

my muscles and brain remembers how much i should scroll to get to the brood war section from the general forum section. sometimes ill catch an sc2 thread but i just filter it out
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KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
July 27 2011 22:02 GMT
#26
I'm a totally open to answer and talk to sc2 ppl, if they actually want to know sometimes, but none messes with my BW, if someone does, someone's head gonna roll, and ain't gonna be mine
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 22:15:01
July 27 2011 22:14 GMT
#27
^-^
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
July 27 2011 22:15 GMT
#28
i think its fair that bw players criticize sc2 because they know bw in and out after playing for a decade, not something they played long ago and not for its "nostalgia".

i'm sure most long time bw players agree when i say sc2 is not like sc2: bw, its more like sc1 original. it lacks things here and there and doesn't feel complete(high ground advantage, unit movement, units available), it can be better and i will hold out any hard criticism until expansions are released.

bw players do tend to show hostility i think because of the level of ignorance that minority of sc2 players show about bw. especially with the crap like "nostalgia factor". it isn't really nostalgia if we're still playing it, isnt it?
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Eun_Star
Profile Joined April 2010
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 22:27:17
July 27 2011 22:15 GMT
#29
Just looking at "MBCGame to shut down?" thread should explain a few things. There's a mod warning about bringing up SC2 in the thread, but there are idiots posting about transitioning to SC2/etc anyway. As for me, I just ignore the SC2 community, and really, SC2 fans should do the same if they have nothing better to do than pick fights in BW threads.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 27 2011 22:24 GMT
#30
To me, it seems that SC2 has attracted a lot of "Halo kids" to TL. You know, the type of people who play mostly Halo/COD/MW type FPS games who believe that graphics > all. Those type of people tend to be young and immature as well. The people who follow this section normally just ignore them until they start trolling here. That's when the hostility starts.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 22:25:14
July 27 2011 22:25 GMT
#31
Because there is always someone who must click the OSL/MSL/PL stream on the sidebar and type

:

People still play this game?
Some shit about graphics.
Make vikings or infestors
Why haven't they switched to sc2 yet''

or something along that, while it doesn't picture the entire SC2 community at all, I tend to get 5 or more trolls each time BW is on, its annoying as hell. You don't see BW people enter a SC2 stream and start telling people that their X favorite player would be nothing then a scrub or a B teamer at best in BW. . Moreover, I have argued in multiple SC2 VS BW threads and really, for some reason people can not look beyond the LOL NO MBS AND AUTOMINING IS STUPID and find the real reasons why BW is such a good game.

Then again, I haven't been here a long while so I don't know what the old Bw forums were like(e.g 3 years ago) but that is my observation for now.
WriterXiao8~~
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
July 27 2011 22:27 GMT
#32
SC2 people coming into brood war streams just to say "z0mg where are teh ****ing infestors? is this MC playing?" and stuff like that

and "BW is old and stupid"

just annoying as hell
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elsx
Profile Joined November 2009
115 Posts
July 27 2011 22:31 GMT
#33
Because for me SC2 warrants no discussion in the BW section, I avoid the SC2 aspects of the site like the plague and any BW discussion in this section requires no mention of SC2.
Snuggles
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 22:32:20
July 27 2011 22:31 GMT
#34
On July 28 2011 07:25 Kipsate wrote:
Because there is always someone who must click the OSL/MSL/PL stream on the sidebar and type

:

People still play this game?
Some shit about graphics.
Make vikings or infestors
Why haven't they switched to sc2 yet''

or something along that, while it doesn't picture the entire SC2 community at all, I tend to get 5 or more trolls each time BW is on, its annoying as hell. You don't see BW people enter a SC2 stream and start telling people that their X favorite player would be nothing then a scrub or a B teamer at best in BW. . Moreover, I have argued in multiple SC2 VS BW threads and really, for some reason people can not look beyond the LOL NO MBS AND AUTOMINING IS STUPID and find the real reasons why BW is such a good game.

Then again, I haven't been here a long while so I don't know what the old Bw forums were like(e.g 3 years ago) but that is my observation for now.


Well what can I say =P Sucks to be a SC2 player that still has great respect for the BW scene.

At least it is an acknowledged fact that it is only the minority of the SC2 community that causes tension between the two. It's quite sad to see so much tension, it feels like we're brothers at war with eachother. Quite bitter imo.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 27 2011 22:35 GMT
#35
This may just be me, but also if we branch out to the SC2 forum, we see infinite replies to each thread. And most replies are poorly worded, short, and pointless. It's annoying because sometimes I would like to see the opinion of staff writers, progamers, or grand masters, but I cannot sort through the huddled masses of diamond-level, one-paragraph posters over hundreds of pages.

What is really annoying, and is not punished, is the "first!" posts you see in the SC2 forum. You ever see those large OPs with many paragraphs and pictures? Check the first few responses, isn't it amazing that they managed to read it in 0-2 minutes? And then notice the edit times are many minutes later? These people see a new topic, don't read it or barely glaze over it, and then post a one-liner to attempt to get first. They then read it and edit a proper response later, and voila, their regular opinion is now read by thousands of users since they are "first". Thank god this rarely happens in the Broodwar forums. There should be a 4 minute reply barrier to brand-new threads so that people actually must read and think before posting.
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puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3130 Posts
July 27 2011 22:40 GMT
#36
On July 28 2011 07:31 Snuggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 07:25 Kipsate wrote:
Because there is always someone who must click the OSL/MSL/PL stream on the sidebar and type

:

People still play this game?
Some shit about graphics.
Make vikings or infestors
Why haven't they switched to sc2 yet''

or something along that, while it doesn't picture the entire SC2 community at all, I tend to get 5 or more trolls each time BW is on, its annoying as hell. You don't see BW people enter a SC2 stream and start telling people that their X favorite player would be nothing then a scrub or a B teamer at best in BW. . Moreover, I have argued in multiple SC2 VS BW threads and really, for some reason people can not look beyond the LOL NO MBS AND AUTOMINING IS STUPID and find the real reasons why BW is such a good game.

Then again, I haven't been here a long while so I don't know what the old Bw forums were like(e.g 3 years ago) but that is my observation for now.


Well what can I say =P Sucks to be a SC2 player that still has great respect for the BW scene.

At least it is an acknowledged fact that it is only the minority of the SC2 community that causes tension between the two. It's quite sad to see so much tension, it feels like we're brothers at war with eachother. Quite bitter imo.


Idk i dont really feel any kinship with any sc2 players. I just dont have any respect for the game and the the scene they dedicate so much time to. I guess I just ignore them unless they have questions about BW.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
July 27 2011 22:41 GMT
#37
On July 28 2011 07:31 Snuggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 07:25 Kipsate wrote:
Because there is always someone who must click the OSL/MSL/PL stream on the sidebar and type

:

People still play this game?
Some shit about graphics.
Make vikings or infestors
Why haven't they switched to sc2 yet''

or something along that, while it doesn't picture the entire SC2 community at all, I tend to get 5 or more trolls each time BW is on, its annoying as hell. You don't see BW people enter a SC2 stream and start telling people that their X favorite player would be nothing then a scrub or a B teamer at best in BW. . Moreover, I have argued in multiple SC2 VS BW threads and really, for some reason people can not look beyond the LOL NO MBS AND AUTOMINING IS STUPID and find the real reasons why BW is such a good game.

Then again, I haven't been here a long while so I don't know what the old Bw forums were like(e.g 3 years ago) but that is my observation for now.


Well what can I say =P Sucks to be a SC2 player that still has great respect for the BW scene.

At least it is an acknowledged fact that it is only the minority of the SC2 community that causes tension between the two. It's quite sad to see so much tension, it feels like we're brothers at war with eachother. Quite bitter imo.


Sad thing is that it is a minority on only TL.net, because of strong moderating. The average, casual player would probably bash BW to the ground, with it's "old and retarded" graphics.
TL:DR; TL doesn't really show the demographics of the SC2 trolls
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
July 27 2011 22:47 GMT
#38
I don't hate SC2 and even watch it when one of my favourite players is playing (go Ret). But SC2 only comes up in BW threads when an SC2 fan is trolling about BW players moving over to SC2. So of course you're going to see mostly negative reactions.

FWIW, I don't think SC2 fans are somehow worse on average. MLG was amazing in large part because how amazing the fans were. But the ones who post in BW threads tend to be pretty bad.
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yeti
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States258 Posts
July 27 2011 22:48 GMT
#39
On July 28 2011 06:53 Lucumo wrote:

Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 06:42 hayata2.0 wrote:
There's not as much going the other way seeing as the diehard BW fans tend to have the SC2 forums minimized in the sidebar and don't even look at them.

Exactly
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The biggest criticism I have toward web format is the TLPD search bar now defaults to SC2, and you cant change the default. Not anything against SC2 itself, but it is certainly annoying to remember when looking up stats and names, and that frustration is often directed toward the SC2 influx.
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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
July 27 2011 22:48 GMT
#40
There's plenty of trolls going both ways. Ask here on the BW forums and they'll tell you SC2 trolls piss them off, but go into some of the SC2 community posts and you'll find plenty of BW trolls doing the same. It's always the same people too, they mention how they gave it a chance blahblah and it's just trash, sparking flamewars and derailing the threads. Fewer get banned because they're older community members but I don't complain since the bans do happen.

But yeah, the hostility goes both ways, and while I've definitely been pissed off at my fair share of SC2 trolls, I've also been incredibly annoyed by the BW trolls.

It's frustrating being a fan of both games, because no matter what when the two communities meet in the community forums shit hits the fan and every fucking thread turns into a BW vs SC2 thread.
Annoys the hell outta me.
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