EPTWhat's with all the hostility? - Page 5
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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oBlade
United States6537 Posts
On July 28 2011 06:23 G3CKO wrote: With SC2 this website seemed to have attracted a bunch of immature kiddies that don't understand much about how this site works or how BW works. Those people seem to give a lot of SC2 players a bad name. This is basically right. But I would agree with Itachii that rather than being elitist or trolling SC2 forums, I just ignore SC2. I'm a little bit of a spectator, but far greater a follower of BW. But for instance I wonder how many new people wouldn't know or have any idea who Sea is, despite that he appeared on a TL attack. And he's better than almost all SC2 pros. Maybe this is taboo to say, but I think it's worth more to watch Jaedong and Flash than MC and Marineking because they're better gamers. Their play is better, regardless of what game they're in. But it's also nice to watch Nada or Nestea, because they're old and therefore hallowed, or say Jinro because fuck yeah. I think a distinction to point out is that the gaming industry and the e-sports industry aren't necessarily parallel. So despite that millions of people buy a long-awaited sequel to a classic game and start playing it, it wouldn't be better to watch than the original game, which people are very good at. I see SC2's entire existence revolving around love of money, while BW is about love of the game. But then, BW has been a part of me for a long time, and other games, too - and probably more games in the future. Maybe SC2. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
I actually saw people posting in forums about the game after a silence of 1 year. "wow that game is still alive lol" | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
Personally, we get a lot of new players now who refuse to use the search feature, liquipedia or what have you. I know liquipedia isn't updated often but still...it's there and it's good. Then there's my beef with this whole site seemingly overnight turning into a SCII site. The whole calendar could use an overhaul at this point and this http://www.teamliquid.net/sc2/ irks me to no end when I'm looking for something new. We get less and less articles, interviews, activity every day. Our Broodwar forums are at a crawl these days. AND at the bottom of the site. The whole lawsuit, the being told "Go play SC2:BW", and a lot of stuff people already touched on in this topic. But, I will say, I don't care to have hostility towards any SCII fan as long as if they want to come take part in our little world over here they just show some respect. I have no intention of going there and slamming their things and I'd like it to be the same here. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
Last I checked I had General Forums and then Broodwar. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
In any topic which you don't care about, you will go in and preach about "deal with it, trolls on the internet" etc. When it's a topic you do care about, you see it as a deadly offense. Personally I think trolling shouldn't be tolerated in any circumstance (what hotbid does etc. is joke, which isn't the same thing at all). Of course that's a difficult stance to maintain. In the end people just suck at communicating with each other. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
You find this in any game, It's the cool club. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
Best not to take the internet too seriously. I support both games. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 28 2011 10:10 Telcontar wrote: It's simple. There's residual bad blood from the whole Blizzard vs Kespa ordeal which naturally spawned BW vs SC2. While that chapter is closed now, some folk are still not wise enough to not provoke the other side which just sets off a chain reaction. Sadly, I don't see it going away anytime soon. I hope to be proven wrong though. It'd probably take an actual concerted effort to patch things up, which no one is in the mood for. I wanted to try doing some kind of tournament where SC2 players had to play BW and vice-versa, but that got shot down pretty hard. ;_; The closest thing to a common ground is things like the SC2:BW KOTH I'm watching in another tab right now. It's actually pretty nifty to see low-level "BW" with commentary, something it's hard to get for real BW. But, at this point, the hostility is probably self-sustaining. We hate because we hate, now. | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
and as the person above says just dont take the internet too seriously. a troll is only a troll if you feed him | ||
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carebear91
Singapore236 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 28 2011 10:15 ballasdontcry wrote: SC2 community is stereotyping BW community based on a few trolls. vice versa. nothing to see here. Best not to take the internet too seriously. I support both games. No, this won't do. If you care about the growth of e-sports (and I do), then we need to do better. Growth means new users, and how do we greet new users? With trolling. We're really shooting ourselves in the foot as a community by acting like total dickwads and by tolerating this behavior in others. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 28 2011 10:48 carebear91 wrote: i'd say most of them are against sc2 trolls who generally come and troll the BW forums. As far as i know, i have yet to see a BW player go on an all out hate campaign against sc2. Have you met Fanatasist? He's a cool guy to hang out with until you say something about SC2 | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
Screw the haters from both sides. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
On July 28 2011 10:36 ThePianoDentist wrote: its not just brood war stream chats theres idiot comments in. watching sc2 matches it's just "blah blah blah was banned for 10 minutes" every half a second. just "terran is OP" "No protoss is OP" "Zerg is OP" "No Terran is OP"....something about live stream chats just makes people go mental. and as the person above says just dont take the internet too seriously. a troll is only a troll if you feed him Its good to here that its not just Broodwar that gets the idiots and trolls but my point is that it never really used to exist or certainly not to such a large extent until the release of SC2. That’s why it causes so much animosity with Broodwar fans towards SC2. Because there is a very clear coherent connection between the release of SC2 and a huge increase in trolling and mindlessness in Broodwar streams. | ||
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fold
Australia665 Posts
On July 28 2011 10:21 Ribbon wrote: It'd probably take an actual concerted effort to patch things up, which no one is in the mood for. I wanted to try doing some kind of tournament where SC2 players had to play BW and vice-versa, but that got shot down pretty hard. ;_; The closest thing to a common ground is things like the SC2:BW KOTH I'm watching in another tab right now. It's actually pretty nifty to see low-level "BW" with commentary, something it's hard to get for real BW. But, at this point, the hostility is probably self-sustaining. We hate because we hate, now. Check out the recorded videos on Grobyc, Kiante and Sayle's streams. They're not low level and I'm not sure why you would want low level commentary from people who don't know what they're doing but they do do BW commentary. Kiante's is especially funny  and very useful since he says a lot about what is going in his head during game play and he will do some analysisGrobyc Kiante Sayle As a result of this our default position seems to have become annoyance we just expect everyone to be trolling or wasting are time because the vast majority of people are. This is basically it. BW streams get so much of it that we just assume every line with SC2 in it is an attempt to troll and that assumption is usually right. As long as you genuinely have interest in the game and ask questions (e.g. I'm new and don't know what's going on in this game?), people will take their time to answer. Not everyone who watches the game has understanding of everything going on. Some people just like to see magic happen. | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
But on the other side, there were BW posters that were outright hostile in general- there were some pretty active posters that got themselves banned for their rants. And all along there's been quite a few pretty thin-skinned BW posters that seem to get angered by the smallest mis-step by SC2 fans. So a bit of both, but I suspect for awhile the BW threads started to feel a little swamped by SC2 trolls just because the SC2 population is that much greater in number. Now that I'm thinking about it, almost seems that the quantity of SC2 trolls (and usually one-off trolls) was matched by sheer ferociousness and longevity of a select few BW posters and a general suspicion held by many others. edit Oh. And that MBC Game to shut down? thread contains some textbook examples of SC2onlyists vs BW onlyists angering each other very quickly starting with some very dumb comments- mostly begun SC2onlyists rejoicing over MBC going down. "Mourn with those who mourn." | ||
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