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Weird how civil a thread about hostility and trolling is. There is hope for humanity yet.
I thought I'd go watch a BW stream to get away from the QQ firestorm ravaging the SC2 forums regarding the new ladder maps and how they make Terran OP. I go to the classic TL BW stream and watch a few games. Some observations:
1. Protoss is harassing Terran? I remember how people raged against reaver drops back then, much like people QQ about blue flame hellion drops today.
2. For a game over 10 years old, BW's graphics has aged really well. Blizzard games in general age really well. I miss how bright the colors were compared to SC2.
3. Mech against Protoss.
4. Spider mines!
5. Protoss units not being instantly teleported into.the battlefield.
6. The maps are so wide open.
On a nostalgia trip and having fun. Be back later.
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On July 28 2011 12:05 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Weird how civil a thread about hostility and trolling is. There is hope for humanity yet.
I thought I'd go watch a BW stream to get away from the QQ firestorm ravaging the SC2 forums regarding the new ladder maps and how they make Terran OP. I go to the classic TL BW stream and watch a few games. Some observations:
1. Protoss is harassing Terran? I remember how people raged against reaver drops back then, much like people QQ about blue flame hellion drops today.
2. For a game over 10 years old, BW's graphics has aged really well. Blizzard games in general age really well. I miss how bright the colors were compared to SC2.
3. Mech against Protoss.
4. Spider mines!
5. Protoss units not being instantly teleported into.the battlefield.
6. The maps are so wide open.
On a nostalgia trip and having fun. Be back later.
Of course one of the main causes of the hostility is that the Brood War folks seems to all ways think they are playing a superior game. Which is up to debate of course. And will condemn in turn SC2 as an inferior game. Also up to debate. Now if you played SC2 you probably won't stand for other people shitting on your game. So you shit on their game. And so starts the century long war
Yes SC2 people troll BW threads alot
but if BW people would stop shitting on how SC2 is a terrible game, I think it'd improve the situation too
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On July 28 2011 10:09 goldfishs wrote:
Some deluded people got into their head that broadwarplayers are superior and more hardcore or whatever then starcraft 2 players. These people are mainly former starcraft 2 players who wants to be hardcore bw player and figures the brightest way to show everyone their resolve is to bash starcraft 2 as loud and often as possible.
You find this in any game, It's the cool club.
There are comparatively fewer trolls from BW players; and many of those trolls wouldn't even touch SC2 with a ten-foot pole in the first place. (at least as far as I've seen them)
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Okay, this is annoying. The TL BW stream is showing the same two games over and over again. 
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What I don't understand - and this isn't meant to sound snotty - is how anyone could say that they were never going to like/play sc2 before it even came out! On tl there were dozens and dozens of people that said that they hated sc2 and that bw was so clearly better ... when we'd seen the beta for 2 weeks - people that made up their mind beforehand.
A lot of people seem to be "loyal" to broodwar, and that's fine but I think they're a little misguided if they use that to bash another game.
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well the hostility comes from both parts, because when they mention sc2 in a non trolling way, everybody start bashing sc2, saying and saying bad stuff about it.
Then those mad kids, get their revenge at those players , insulting and wanting bw to die and etc. i think all the bw fans here should also acknowledge their fault as well.
As fan of both bw and sc2 i am deeply sorry and worried about current sc2 and bw thing. and now that MSL is suffering through a crysis, people of sc2 will start flaming and mocking even more, even thou they dont understand this will affet negativelly sc2 as well, since there is no 100%guaranty that the dead of the old assure the rise of the new, at least in korea imo.
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On July 28 2011 09:20 moopie wrote:
My biggest issue is that sc2 fans on tl (which outnumber bw these days by quite a bit) like to stroll into BW general any time there's a new thread or bw news update and inject offtopic sc2 shit, which they know full-well will just annoy the bw fans. Every time.
Flash's wrist? come to sc2!
STX roster trades? zomg come to sc2!
bnet attack? i want _____ to move to sc2 already!
YellOw reitiring? oh god slayers'yellow!1!eleven!
mbcgame changing format? this is great news for sc2!
LR threads? he needs to get broodlords!
And that isn't even counting the trolls who just come in to say "bw sucks" / "bw is going to die" / "these graphics are terrible" / "i cant believe these guys are still playing such an ancient game" / etc.
Believe me, it gets old quite fast. If sc2 fans wanted to, they could just make a circlejerk thread for these comments in sc2 general and it wouldn't bother us in the least.
holy shit, this is such a big part of it for me , lol.
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On July 28 2011 12:12 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 10:09 goldfishs wrote:
Some deluded people got into their head that broadwarplayers are superior and more hardcore or whatever then starcraft 2 players. These people are mainly former starcraft 2 players who wants to be hardcore bw player and figures the brightest way to show everyone their resolve is to bash starcraft 2 as loud and often as possible.
You find this in any game, It's the cool club. There are comparatively fewer trolls from BW players; and many of those trolls wouldn't even touch SC2 with a ten-foot pole in the first place. (at least as far as I've seen them)
Well more like you guys bash SC2 with every chance you get and keep telling us it's a terrible game, which is up for debate, but then you guys start to call people trolling when they defend the game. You may not want to touch SC2 but you certainly don't hesitate to bash it as often as you can
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On July 28 2011 12:09 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:05 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Weird how civil a thread about hostility and trolling is. There is hope for humanity yet.
I thought I'd go watch a BW stream to get away from the QQ firestorm ravaging the SC2 forums regarding the new ladder maps and how they make Terran OP. I go to the classic TL BW stream and watch a few games. Some observations:
1. Protoss is harassing Terran? I remember how people raged against reaver drops back then, much like people QQ about blue flame hellion drops today.
2. For a game over 10 years old, BW's graphics has aged really well. Blizzard games in general age really well. I miss how bright the colors were compared to SC2.
3. Mech against Protoss.
4. Spider mines!
5. Protoss units not being instantly teleported into.the battlefield.
6. The maps are so wide open.
On a nostalgia trip and having fun. Be back later. Of course one of the main causes of the hostility is that the Brood War folks seems to all ways think they are playing a superior game. Which is up to debate of course. And will condemn in turn SC2 as an inferior game. Also up to debate. Now if you played SC2 you probably won't stand for other people shitting on your game. So you shit on their game. And so starts the century long war Yes SC2 people troll BW threads alot but if BW people would stop shitting on how SC2 is a terrible game, I think it'd improve the situation too
Problem with that unfortunately is that more than a few of the people who want to play BOTH and see them thrive are being well-meaning in their criticism of SC2, but end up being seen as anti-SC2 and pro-BW because they've expressed that "x lesson from BW" could apply to SC2, and people take it that "Why should we adopt such an old game's mechanics?!"
It's best exemplified by "Why don't we have macro maps in SC2?" debate that happened during launch; only that EVERYONE agreed that it could only be a good thing.
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The most irrritating point is when the SC2 forum try to barge into BW news where the scales and issues involved are WAAAAAAYYY off scale than what they can comprehend, and they try to explain their ridiculously uninformed and stupid opinions.
Then you click on their profile and you see their join date being something like February this year, which pisses you off even more. Then you have to keep quiet just for the mods because you don't want to make their job any tougher, but the worst of faggots will continue to press their way through getting warnings and temp bans.
And when they talk about gameplay, just the attempt at comparison between these 2 games already lost them the argument. BW and SC2 are practically unrelated in terms of pure gameplay, where millions of paradigm shifts have undergone in the metagame, the exact mechanics demanded down to the microest of details and the sturdiness of the builds evolved over hundreds of thousands of experiments through games online and offline that cannot be overturned because someone else found a 'new awesome build' like Forge FE into 6/7/8 warpgate timing push counters all kinds of zerg midgame tactics bla bla bla.
They still continually and idiotically spout all their theorycrafts and try to reason why SC2 >= BW with the most obvious of these signs screaming into their faces. Ever wonder why most mods hesitate to give warnings or bans to those implying BW > SC2 moreso than the other way round? It's gotten a lot better nowadays, but still irks us BW lovers every now and then.
The new trend of SC2ers who have 'discovered' that BW is indeed by far more solid and developed in gameplay mechanics now try every now and then to show off their knowledge and expertise at history or at matchup build orders and army composition specifics, you see it all over the LR threads and newspages like interviews.
'Hmmm yea he should have gotten a bunch of chargelots and sent them into the tank lines first (like the progamers don't know that). Edit: speedlots I mean'
And I'm not even like, an 'oldschooler', I'm actually very new to the scene. I appreciate SC2 and all, but its the community in general in SC2, their sheer average immaturity which absolutely does not go well with how expressive they are. Sure, we all try to give them time to learn, but I can't vouch that we get pissed with them going over the top occasionally.
This felt more like a rant. Man I had quite the load to get off my chest.
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On July 28 2011 12:23 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:09 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 12:05 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Weird how civil a thread about hostility and trolling is. There is hope for humanity yet.
I thought I'd go watch a BW stream to get away from the QQ firestorm ravaging the SC2 forums regarding the new ladder maps and how they make Terran OP. I go to the classic TL BW stream and watch a few games. Some observations:
1. Protoss is harassing Terran? I remember how people raged against reaver drops back then, much like people QQ about blue flame hellion drops today.
2. For a game over 10 years old, BW's graphics has aged really well. Blizzard games in general age really well. I miss how bright the colors were compared to SC2.
3. Mech against Protoss.
4. Spider mines!
5. Protoss units not being instantly teleported into.the battlefield.
6. The maps are so wide open.
On a nostalgia trip and having fun. Be back later. Of course one of the main causes of the hostility is that the Brood War folks seems to all ways think they are playing a superior game. Which is up to debate of course. And will condemn in turn SC2 as an inferior game. Also up to debate. Now if you played SC2 you probably won't stand for other people shitting on your game. So you shit on their game. And so starts the century long war Yes SC2 people troll BW threads alot but if BW people would stop shitting on how SC2 is a terrible game, I think it'd improve the situation too Problem with that unfortunately is that more than a few of the people who want to play BOTH and see them thrive are being well-meaning in their criticism of SC2, but end up being seen as anti-SC2 and pro-BW because they've expressed that "x lesson from BW" could apply to SC2, and people take it that "Why should we adopt such an old game's mechanics?!" It's best exemplified by "Why don't we have macro maps in SC2?" debate that happened during launch; only that EVERYONE agreed that it could only be a good thing.
Well said, but seriously how often do you see something like this
On July 28 2011 08:43 puppykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:23 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 08:22 Crisium wrote:
So it annoys you when someone points out SC2 trolls on a Brood War forum? You are attempting to compare that to your baseless remarks that ignore several pages worth of examples? Sorry just read some of the other comments I must say it was pretty bad I'll accept my loss here. But I honestly just get the feel alot of Brood War fans are elitist people that just look down on other people because we play SC2. I dont look down on pro sc2 players but I definitely look down on the rest. I feel no guilt in thinking that players that are afraid of single building select and the lack of a find match button are cowards
I think that is a good example of why SC2 players really dislike the elitist attitude that BW players seem to wear around them
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On July 28 2011 12:20 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:12 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 10:09 goldfishs wrote:
Some deluded people got into their head that broadwarplayers are superior and more hardcore or whatever then starcraft 2 players. These people are mainly former starcraft 2 players who wants to be hardcore bw player and figures the brightest way to show everyone their resolve is to bash starcraft 2 as loud and often as possible.
You find this in any game, It's the cool club. There are comparatively fewer trolls from BW players; and many of those trolls wouldn't even touch SC2 with a ten-foot pole in the first place. (at least as far as I've seen them) Well more like you guys bash SC2 with every chance you get and keep telling us it's a terrible game, which is up for debate, but then you guys start to call people trolling when they defend the game. You may not want to touch SC2 but you certainly don't hesitate to bash it as often as you can
Dude, don't take it personally, I try to watch SC2 when I can, especially games that the majority of people recommend. As far as I've seen, it's quite unfortunate that given the number of blatant anti BW trolls that go into BW streams and threads that normally innocent queries from less-than-informed SC2 players get lumped in with trolling. However, as far as SC2 streams are concerned, it's incredibly rare to see a pro-BW troll droning around.
There's a difference between BW people talking in a BW stream about SC2's flaws and vice versa versus people jumping into the other game's stream then openly ticking people off.
Look, I don't have an issue with characterization, but don't try to make it a personal thing. (And damned if your SKT T1 icon makes you look like one of those obnoxious Bisu trolls that non SKT fans keep on ragging about  )
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On July 28 2011 12:33 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:20 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 12:12 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 10:09 goldfishs wrote:
Some deluded people got into their head that broadwarplayers are superior and more hardcore or whatever then starcraft 2 players. These people are mainly former starcraft 2 players who wants to be hardcore bw player and figures the brightest way to show everyone their resolve is to bash starcraft 2 as loud and often as possible.
You find this in any game, It's the cool club. There are comparatively fewer trolls from BW players; and many of those trolls wouldn't even touch SC2 with a ten-foot pole in the first place. (at least as far as I've seen them) Well more like you guys bash SC2 with every chance you get and keep telling us it's a terrible game, which is up for debate, but then you guys start to call people trolling when they defend the game. You may not want to touch SC2 but you certainly don't hesitate to bash it as often as you can Dude, don't take it personally, I try to watch SC2 when I can, especially games that the majority of people recommend. As far as I've seen, it's quite unfortunate that given the number of blatant anti BW trolls that go into BW streams and threads that normally innocent queries from less-than-informed SC2 players get lumped in with trolling. However, as far as SC2 streams are concerned, it's incredibly rare to see a pro-BW troll droning around. There's a difference between BW people talking in a BW stream about SC2's flaws and vice versa versus people jumping into the other game's stream then openly ticking people off. Look, I don't have an issue with characterization, but don't try to make it a personal thing. (And damned if your SKT T1 icon makes you look like one of those obnoxious Bisu trolls that non SKT fans keep on ragging about )
Eh..... but I play Terran, I am more into you know Fantasy, kinda sad he's been not in the greatest shape lately
but I'll say Bisu is a sexy sexy man
PS I use a KT bag because mecca doesn't sell SKT stuff =(
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On July 28 2011 12:29 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:23 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 12:09 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 12:05 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Weird how civil a thread about hostility and trolling is. There is hope for humanity yet.
I thought I'd go watch a BW stream to get away from the QQ firestorm ravaging the SC2 forums regarding the new ladder maps and how they make Terran OP. I go to the classic TL BW stream and watch a few games. Some observations:
1. Protoss is harassing Terran? I remember how people raged against reaver drops back then, much like people QQ about blue flame hellion drops today.
2. For a game over 10 years old, BW's graphics has aged really well. Blizzard games in general age really well. I miss how bright the colors were compared to SC2.
3. Mech against Protoss.
4. Spider mines!
5. Protoss units not being instantly teleported into.the battlefield.
6. The maps are so wide open.
On a nostalgia trip and having fun. Be back later. Of course one of the main causes of the hostility is that the Brood War folks seems to all ways think they are playing a superior game. Which is up to debate of course. And will condemn in turn SC2 as an inferior game. Also up to debate. Now if you played SC2 you probably won't stand for other people shitting on your game. So you shit on their game. And so starts the century long war Yes SC2 people troll BW threads alot but if BW people would stop shitting on how SC2 is a terrible game, I think it'd improve the situation too Problem with that unfortunately is that more than a few of the people who want to play BOTH and see them thrive are being well-meaning in their criticism of SC2, but end up being seen as anti-SC2 and pro-BW because they've expressed that "x lesson from BW" could apply to SC2, and people take it that "Why should we adopt such an old game's mechanics?!" It's best exemplified by "Why don't we have macro maps in SC2?" debate that happened during launch; only that EVERYONE agreed that it could only be a good thing. Well said, but seriously how often do you see something like this Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:43 puppykiller wrote:On July 28 2011 08:23 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 08:22 Crisium wrote:
So it annoys you when someone points out SC2 trolls on a Brood War forum? You are attempting to compare that to your baseless remarks that ignore several pages worth of examples? Sorry just read some of the other comments I must say it was pretty bad I'll accept my loss here. But I honestly just get the feel alot of Brood War fans are elitist people that just look down on other people because we play SC2. I dont look down on pro sc2 players but I definitely look down on the rest. I feel no guilt in thinking that players that are afraid of single building select and the lack of a find match button are cowards I think that is a good example of why SC2 players really dislike the elitist attitude that BW players seem to wear around them
WRT to the second quote: I agree that that should probably merit a warn; no sense in inflaming potential SC2 trollers more by dissing them, but it's quite unfortunate that even if BW players are being less-than-polite, that at least they have enough sense to keep it on this side of the community line, not go to SC2 general and spout something about MMA, MC, NesTea and MVP being B-Team scrubs in BW.
IMHO, we should start thinking that though we may see flaws in the people AND the game, we should not generalize that to everyone. Not all people are closed-minded and unwilling to learn (as evidenced by the gradual flow of people attracted to BW from SC2 into our section that we constantly welcome; more of that and less of the brusque dismissal of SC2 would do wonders for the BW community and TL as a whole)
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On July 28 2011 12:35 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:33 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 12:20 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 12:12 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 10:09 goldfishs wrote:
Some deluded people got into their head that broadwarplayers are superior and more hardcore or whatever then starcraft 2 players. These people are mainly former starcraft 2 players who wants to be hardcore bw player and figures the brightest way to show everyone their resolve is to bash starcraft 2 as loud and often as possible.
You find this in any game, It's the cool club. There are comparatively fewer trolls from BW players; and many of those trolls wouldn't even touch SC2 with a ten-foot pole in the first place. (at least as far as I've seen them) Well more like you guys bash SC2 with every chance you get and keep telling us it's a terrible game, which is up for debate, but then you guys start to call people trolling when they defend the game. You may not want to touch SC2 but you certainly don't hesitate to bash it as often as you can Dude, don't take it personally, I try to watch SC2 when I can, especially games that the majority of people recommend. As far as I've seen, it's quite unfortunate that given the number of blatant anti BW trolls that go into BW streams and threads that normally innocent queries from less-than-informed SC2 players get lumped in with trolling. However, as far as SC2 streams are concerned, it's incredibly rare to see a pro-BW troll droning around. There's a difference between BW people talking in a BW stream about SC2's flaws and vice versa versus people jumping into the other game's stream then openly ticking people off. Look, I don't have an issue with characterization, but don't try to make it a personal thing. (And damned if your SKT T1 icon makes you look like one of those obnoxious Bisu trolls that non SKT fans keep on ragging about ) Eh..... but I play Terran, I am more into you know Fantasy, kinda sad he's been not in the greatest shape lately but I'll say Bisu is a sexy sexy man PS I use a KT bag because mecca doesn't sell SKT stuff =(
LOL Fantasy is on a tear in Individual Leagues man, he'll probably be able to show his true form in PL Grand Finals.
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i dont care about sc2 because i dont watch it (i stopped after gsl 2 or whenever they started killing non gomplayer streams) and i dont play it
i also hate bisu fans, but luckily you enjoy romantic hobbies like yuri, shoujo manga, etc.
so i forgive you
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So, Yellow will be playing Boxer an SC2 showmatch as certain people (me!) predicted. Clearly, what we should do is lead up to this event by showing Boxer/Yellow brood war games in the LR thread before it starts (in a week or two when it happens, ofc), which will be appreciated as legit hype. It's a good chance to show off BW when SC2 fans are in the mood to be hyped.
Also, for the record, there are never any SC2 fans in the live chat. Not even if it's an SC2 stream. Any sensible SC2 fan avoids the chat room like a goddamn plague, and sticks to the LR thread. If you see "SC2 fans" in chats of BW games, they're trolls.
On July 28 2011 12:40 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:29 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 12:23 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 12:09 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 12:05 Eternal Dalek wrote:
Weird how civil a thread about hostility and trolling is. There is hope for humanity yet.
I thought I'd go watch a BW stream to get away from the QQ firestorm ravaging the SC2 forums regarding the new ladder maps and how they make Terran OP. I go to the classic TL BW stream and watch a few games. Some observations:
1. Protoss is harassing Terran? I remember how people raged against reaver drops back then, much like people QQ about blue flame hellion drops today.
2. For a game over 10 years old, BW's graphics has aged really well. Blizzard games in general age really well. I miss how bright the colors were compared to SC2.
3. Mech against Protoss.
4. Spider mines!
5. Protoss units not being instantly teleported into.the battlefield.
6. The maps are so wide open.
On a nostalgia trip and having fun. Be back later. Of course one of the main causes of the hostility is that the Brood War folks seems to all ways think they are playing a superior game. Which is up to debate of course. And will condemn in turn SC2 as an inferior game. Also up to debate. Now if you played SC2 you probably won't stand for other people shitting on your game. So you shit on their game. And so starts the century long war Yes SC2 people troll BW threads alot but if BW people would stop shitting on how SC2 is a terrible game, I think it'd improve the situation too Problem with that unfortunately is that more than a few of the people who want to play BOTH and see them thrive are being well-meaning in their criticism of SC2, but end up being seen as anti-SC2 and pro-BW because they've expressed that "x lesson from BW" could apply to SC2, and people take it that "Why should we adopt such an old game's mechanics?!" It's best exemplified by "Why don't we have macro maps in SC2?" debate that happened during launch; only that EVERYONE agreed that it could only be a good thing. Well said, but seriously how often do you see something like this On July 28 2011 08:43 puppykiller wrote:On July 28 2011 08:23 Blasterion wrote:On July 28 2011 08:22 Crisium wrote:
So it annoys you when someone points out SC2 trolls on a Brood War forum? You are attempting to compare that to your baseless remarks that ignore several pages worth of examples? Sorry just read some of the other comments I must say it was pretty bad I'll accept my loss here. But I honestly just get the feel alot of Brood War fans are elitist people that just look down on other people because we play SC2. I dont look down on pro sc2 players but I definitely look down on the rest. I feel no guilt in thinking that players that are afraid of single building select and the lack of a find match button are cowards I think that is a good example of why SC2 players really dislike the elitist attitude that BW players seem to wear around them WRT to the second quote: I agree that that should probably merit a warn; no sense in inflaming potential SC2 trollers more by dissing them, but it's quite unfortunate that even if BW players are being less-than-polite, that at least they have enough sense to keep it on this side of the community line, not go to SC2 general and spout something about MMA, MC, NesTea and MVP being B-Team scrubs in BW.
Yeah, they prefer to do that kind of trolling on the front page of TL
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On July 28 2011 12:20 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 12:12 Ciryandor wrote:On July 28 2011 10:09 goldfishs wrote:
Some deluded people got into their head that broadwarplayers are superior and more hardcore or whatever then starcraft 2 players. These people are mainly former starcraft 2 players who wants to be hardcore bw player and figures the brightest way to show everyone their resolve is to bash starcraft 2 as loud and often as possible.
You find this in any game, It's the cool club. There are comparatively fewer trolls from BW players; and many of those trolls wouldn't even touch SC2 with a ten-foot pole in the first place. (at least as far as I've seen them) Well more like you guys bash SC2 with every chance you get and keep telling us it's a terrible game, which is up for debate, but then you guys start to call people trolling when they defend the game. You may not want to touch SC2 but you certainly don't hesitate to bash it as often as you can
Stop playing the victim. BW fans on this forum don't even have the manpower to phase the SC2 forum with constant trolling about how much we "hate" SC2, which is laughable because there were plenty of BW fans who have been with SC2 since the beta from this very forum. There are, admittedly, BW fans who say SC2 is crap -- I happen to think very little of it in its current state, though I would like for it to improve, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to DROVES of SC2 loyalists who come in here just to get banned so they can tell us how dead BW is, how all of our players should leave, how our game is old and ancient and bad and blah blah. You're living in a fantasy land if you even think the SC2 bashing comes close to the BW bashing.
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I personally play both (though I'm starting to cut down on BW since i have problems logging in on anything other than iCCup), so I can kinda give you a good idea of the different views.
Up until about spring of 2010, teamliquid was pretty much a Broodwar exclusive forum, sure there was a starcraft 2 section but most of the older members simply ignored it or barely posted in it content to simply post in the brood war forums.
Fast forward to beta march - july of 2010. Suddenly there is a huge influx of new posters, most of whom either did not understand the way the forums worked (such as the TL commandments). They set up camp in the Starcraft 2 section and for the most part ignored each other, which was fine.
However, with the release of Starcraft 2 and the start of the GSL, MLG and other events, many of the starcraft 2 posters noticed that the broodwar scene had events of it's own. And while some took genuine interest in the scene, most thought that the scene should transfer over to starcraft 2 since it was obviously the "better game"
What the posters failed to realize however, was that the broodwar fans had been around a long time, many dating back to 2004 or even earlier. They had stuck with the game and korean scene long after the foreign scene had become defunct, and they had no interest in moving over the the latest version. Post along the lines of "When is FlaSh coming to starcraft 2" "why doen't OGN broadcast starcraft2?" where seen as basically a rude crass way of saying "hurry up and die Broodwar". It didn't help that Blizzard and KeSPA also were in a huge legal battle over who got the rights to broadcast broodwar, since most BW fans felt that if Blizzard won, that would be the end of Broodwar, further cementing the opinion that Blizzard and starcraft 2 were trying to kill brood war.
How do we fix this? hmmm here are the things that i could offer that would help to thaw the ice between the communities.
1. Stop asking when the BW scene will transfer over.
No one wants to see their passion die, so asking when that will happen is akin to flipping the bird to them,
2. Stopping using the B word
There isn't a starcraft 2 bonjwa and Jaedong, July and Bisu were never bonjwas. Stop asking, you'll know a Bonjwa when you see it. For the list of who IS a bonjwa (there are no exceptions or alterations to this list) see here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa
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Why cant we just keep as they should be.. separate and unequal?
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