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Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 27 2011 08:16 Louuster wrote:
For those looking to start watching BW, theres proleague almost every day and unlike the SC2 streams its actually possible to have a conversation in the chat and people will be more than happy to explain stuff.
I find that most things look pretty similar so I dont see how it can be unwatchable if you play SC2 a bit. Most units and buildings look the same with the exception of the few things unique to each games.
Ow yeah, I watch BW on a regular basis, if you want to get into BW a bit look on the calander when the events take place, Proleague or OSL/MSL you can most likely find me over at Nanashin his stream, I am by no means a BW expert nor do I have really indepth knowledge about the game like koreasilver of Kiante has for example but I know a thing or two.
On a sidenote, what I like about BW is sort of the fact that everyone knows each other around here, or most do anyway.
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On June 27 2011 08:02 EpiK wrote:I watched the BW scene before sc2 came out. When the pro-gaming scene was up and coming for SC2, I tried my best to get myself into it but the gameplay is just really bland and uninteresting compared to BW. I think it's mainly because of 1) blatantly clear balance issues and 2) not as much randomness as BW. BW had all these random factors such as spider mines, potential for dud scarabs, and retarded unit AI that might be really frustrating for players but are really entertaining for spectators. In the end, I stuck to being an avid BW-viewer. Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 06:11 Dalguno wrote:
How do you guys recommend learning/watching BW? What are some good streams? tip: you can't really learn from watching professional BW. Sure, you can try your best to mimic pro strats but if you don't understand the logic behind them or know how to tweak them to surprising turn of events, it's kind of pointless. If you want to learn, just mass games on iccup.
I disagree. Back in 2009 when I first started my iccup ladder grind (ugh), it took me about 3 months to get from d- to d. During that entire timeframe, I only occasionally, and not very seriously, watched proleague/osl/msl.
Anyway, I felt that I was stuck at D and I basically gave up iccup grinding and turned my attention to solely watching BW. After 2-3 months of watching and analyzing games, I decided to give iccup a shot again. I felt like I was a completely different player, at least in the strategic sense (obviously my mechanics didn't get any better) and I shot up to C in just another 3 months.
Keep in mind when I took my iccup hiatus to focus on watching games, my intention wasn't even to improve my gameplay, it just happened subconsciously.
However, massing games on iccup is also mandatory =P
edit: for those that haven't played on iccup, the ranking system progresses like so: d-,d,d+,c-,c and so on.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
No effect on me... Though in the past months I have watched relatively less Brood War because of tests and DotA. And now in the summer I can't stay up as late, so I only ever catch the earliest sets of the 13:00 matches.
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On June 27 2011 08:16 Louuster wrote:
For those looking to start watching BW, theres proleague almost every day and unlike the SC2 streams its actually possible to have a conversation in the chat and people will be more than happy to explain stuff.
I find that most things look pretty similar so I dont see how it can be unwatchable if you play SC2 a bit. Most units and buildings look the same with the exception of the few things unique to each games.
Proleague almost every day... at 5 in the morning =/
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Living in America, I love watching NBA and football. I am not so into baseball, so two years ago around this time (when NBA ends and football is not playing yet), I was bored out of mind and wanted to watch/play something interesting.
I googled when SC2 would come out and it eventually led to TL. It changed my life. Being Korean American, I always loved starcraft and was aware of the progaming scene (I knew of Boxer, Savior, Jaedong, Nada, and Bisu), but this was when I just fell in love with it. I was amazed by how awesome TL was and couldnt be more regrettable for missing out for all those years.
After SC2 came out, of course I picked up the copy and been playing ever since. Right now I watch both BW and SC2 and i gotta say BW is more exciting to watch. Having said that SC2 has gotten a lot better to spectate since the release, and I know the potential is there to become even better with two expansions (I just dont like one huge ball vs ball fight -> anticlimatic ending, but this is another topic).
To be honest, yeah I know the units and fights are more discernable in BW, but i gotta say the graphic is wayyyy too outdated. I personally wish someday, Blazzard will remake BW with better/updated graphic (Hek, it can be 5 years from now, I don't care).
In the end, I really want both scene to succeed. I love starcraft. Ahhh, and to answer your question? Hmm I dont know ..
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I used to watch Proleague/OSL/MSL all the time (live). But it put a toll on my school work, so I stopped watching, though I do enjoy watching live BW. I don't watch as much. Alternatively although SC2 isn't as "fun" to watch. the GSTL has provided the closest thing to proleague so, yea i watch that. So no SC2 had no affect on me watching BW. School did. :/
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Even when I was super into brood war, I couldn't watch it with Korean commentary. I might want to try it again now that I'm used to watching the minimap to see what the commentators miss. I also didn't watch a lot of proleague, because I was a bit stupid and didn't realize how awesome they were (I might seriously just drop individual leagues entirely and watch BW Proleague and GSTL).
I wish KeSPA would set up an official English stream/English VODs, rather than me having to wait for Nukethestars. GOM has been aggressively courting foreign viewers for SC2, and there's no reason KeSPA shouldn't at least hire like Torch or somebody. It'd probably be worth it.
(I also wish I could watch a series with Flash in it and have any suspense at all over who would win, but obviously that's not Flash's fault)
Edit: I just tried to watch Michael(OD)'s stream, but Korean love songs are a deal-breaker :/
Are there any good "personalities" to follow, or even streams where people talk about what they're doing? I feel like there's not a lot of good educational stuff for BW like SC2 has, but that might be my own lack of knowledge. BW in general could probably advertise itself better.
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I used to watch pro BW every now and again (was more interested in foreign BW), since the release of SC2 I only sporadically watch BW but still feel it is the overall more balanced game, which isn't really an option in the polls (as it indicates you find BW boring compared to SC2 which is absolutely not true for me). The hours are also a problem since I live in europe, proleague generally starts around when I sleep and SC2 is far more available in the times I like to watch.
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had no effect at all, kinda made me miss PL even more. i only ever watch sen's stream and/or big competitions where sen is playing. heh
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I've watched it since around late 2007, but lately I've been watching SC2 as well. So now I just watch favorite players/important matches, although they keep getting owned by Flash =_=;
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If you have trouble with the Korean language used in their commentary, particularly the names written in Hangul - this guide may help you. It's surprisingly simple and logical. Less than an afternoon work.
You can then type in Korean using an online keyboard (like this or that) and use google for translations or player reference, or search directly in TLPD in Korean.
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Yes. Simply yes.
I've always been in love with Esports, starting with Wc3 to being a semi-professional DotA player.
though i never got into sc:bw, i eventually got introduced to sc2 and its scene and INSTANTLY fell in love with it.
Just for the sake of understanding the love that people feel for starcraft, i felt like i needed to understand sc;bw, and thats how i got here, posting in TL:bw about FlaSh's wrist problems.
Thanks blizzard, for creating the best esport scene to ever see the light of day.
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On June 27 2011 08:35 flamewheel wrote:
No effect on me... Though in the past months I have watched relatively less Brood War because of tests and DotA. And now in the summer I can't stay up as late, so I only ever catch the earliest sets of the 13:00 matches.
yeah i know this is a very real option (that you watch BW less now) and it's not clearly stated in the poll. Part of the reason I didn't make it a poll option though is because of reasons like the one you state, unfriendly broadcast times. There's also the language barrier and the shaky quality. These three reasons make a direct "watch BW" vs "watch sc2" poll nonviable imo
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Watched BW before, for some reason stopped 4 months later, bought SC2, and since July I watch both =)
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watched bw and will do so in the future, but i am watching less than in the past, only selected games / matches of players i like, few years ago i watched everything :3
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Canada13389 Posts
sc2 introduced me to starcraft and TL so yeah it lead me to watching some BW vods of old and a couple of the teamleagues that stream from time to time
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On June 26 2011 23:41 Mereel wrote:
sc2 had an effect on me watching more bw because it showed me how much better bw is.
basically this
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sc2 introduced me to the glory that is professional BW. I love watching proleague, its quite exciting!!!
sc2 is getting closer to the level of excitement of BW as strats start to evolve, and players get better with timings and such. I watch them about equally, I'd say.
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United States11393 Posts
On June 27 2011 09:10 Ribbon wrote:
Even when I was super into brood war, I couldn't watch it with Korean commentary. I might want to try it again now that I'm used to watching the minimap to see what the commentators miss. I also didn't watch a lot of proleague, because I was a bit stupid and didn't realize how awesome they were (I might seriously just drop individual leagues entirely and watch BW Proleague and GSTL).
I wish KeSPA would set up an official English stream/English VODs, rather than me having to wait for Nukethestars. GOM has been aggressively courting foreign viewers for SC2, and there's no reason KeSPA shouldn't at least hire like Torch or somebody. It'd probably be worth it.
(I also wish I could watch a series with Flash in it and have any suspense at all over who would win, but obviously that's not Flash's fault)
Edit: I just tried to watch Michael(OD)'s stream, but Korean love songs are a deal-breaker :/
Are there any good "personalities" to follow, or even streams where people talk about what they're doing? I feel like there's not a lot of good educational stuff for BW like SC2 has, but that might be my own lack of knowledge. BW in general could probably advertise itself better.
Watch Kiante when he streams.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=236714 has an educational FPVOD that he made for PvP too.
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