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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
June 27 2011 02:17 GMT
#141
Interesting poll; shows that BW community isn't as isolated from SC2 community as it may seem. Good to know that SC2 players are coming over to BW.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
InTheRainBOw
Profile Joined November 2010
Argentina27 Posts
June 27 2011 02:19 GMT
#142
On June 26 2011 23:41 Mereel wrote:
sc2 had an effect on me watching more bw because it showed me how much better bw is.

QFT epic win.

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Chemist391
Profile Joined October 2010
United States366 Posts
June 27 2011 02:19 GMT
#143
I wasn't introduced to BW by SC2 by any means, but I now watch more BW now that I've been playing SC2.

I also watch a lot of SC2.
InTheRainBOw
Profile Joined November 2010
Argentina27 Posts
June 27 2011 02:21 GMT
#144
IMO, SC2 and BW are completely different games but both share a story
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
June 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#145
i watch less bw now some of my viewing has been replaced by sc2 , but i feel stupid because half the time i'll watch like an hour of sc2 and then be like "all these games sucked" T.T

I've started using the recent recommendation thread more.

But i'm also busier... LAME.
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
June 27 2011 02:22 GMT
#146
EffOrt retiring and CJ not feeling the same led to me watching less, though SC2 being there as an alternative definitely filled that niche. I still watch from time to time and when EffOrt officially starts his comeback it may become more frequent.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 27 2011 02:28 GMT
#147
On June 27 2011 05:21 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 05:06 deafhobbit wrote:
On June 27 2011 04:26 Gotmog wrote:
On June 27 2011 02:22 Kipsate wrote:
On June 27 2011 01:46 Daimai wrote:
I started playing in SC2, but I just can't get into watching BW. The bad graphics make it hard to understand what's going on for a newbie.


That is what I don't get , despite the ''outdated'' graphics everything has much more clarity in BW. whenever a big battle occurs in SC2 its fucking lasorsz and shit all over my screen I can't see jack shit, its 2 balls engaging in a space the size of a cardbox.

Not true.
You probably can't see it, because you are so used to bw.
But for a new spectator, bw is unwatchable.


The number of people in this thread who started watching BW after Sc2 came out likely disagree with your claim that BW is unwatchable.


Its not unwatchable but,it really is a hard adjustment if you never watched these kind of games before.
It took me 6 months to start understanding what is going on,at first i gave up because its quite hard to get into BW right now if you don't dedicate yourself too it,but when I started watching some moletrap casts i started to understand many things that i couldn't understand before
and I think that is the prime reason that there's less and less influx on new BW watchers.

When the Sc2 Beta came out day9 with King of the Beta and Husky were my gateway to Starcraft.
Unfortunately people do not have those kind of things for BW here anymore.

The difficult adjustment has nothing to do with graphics. When i first started watching proBW i also took a long time to understand what was going on due to various factors like camera movement and unfamiliarity with the units.

Your initial post was a slant against BW graphics making the game hard to understand and then when shown evidence to the contrary you changed your argument to it's difficult to understand with english commentary.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 27 2011 02:34 GMT
#148
On June 27 2011 06:29 tangwhat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 06:25 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On June 27 2011 06:21 Rococo wrote:
On June 27 2011 04:26 Gotmog wrote:
On June 27 2011 02:22 Kipsate wrote:
On June 27 2011 01:46 Daimai wrote:
I started playing in SC2, but I just can't get into watching BW. The bad graphics make it hard to understand what's going on for a newbie.


That is what I don't get , despite the ''outdated'' graphics everything has much more clarity in BW. whenever a big battle occurs in SC2 its fucking lasorsz and shit all over my screen I can't see jack shit, its 2 balls engaging in a space the size of a cardbox.

Not true.
You probably can't see it, because you are so used to bw.
But for a new spectator, bw is unwatchable.


Unwatchable in what way? You can always clearly distinguish team colors, units are generally spaced out and don't clip into each other, death animations are exaggerated and either bright blue, bright red, or bright yellow, and units and buildings are always brightly lit, regardless of the map. I think you're just talking about a bias some people have against low resolution 2D, because the problem isn't visual clarity.

If you want to talk about (borderline) unwatchable, it's SC2 ZvZ on Xel'Naga Caverns on a low resolution stream with health bars enabled. Absolute torture.


Hmm I actually agree that the colors could be brightened and made less "realistic" for team paint jobs, but all in all the game isn't as fun to watch as an unbiased new viewer. I tried watching some pro BW games - don't get me wrong, the players were probably much more skilled and whatnot than SC2 players - but it just wasn't as good of a game to watch. I can see why SC2 is gaining viewers and BW seems to be losing them (according to the numbers on streams, youtube, tournys, etc - not including in Korea/live)


For you maybe. I started watching BW in 2007, kinda stopped watching it around the time that I started playing the SC2 beta but over time professional sc2 fustrated me to the point where I only watch BW now. For me it's a far better game to watch(aside from the 40 minute+ TvTs).

Also for SC2 gaining viewers is because it's a hot new thing. People are dumb sheep who only like things that are contemporary and have this weird disdain for older generation graphics even though to me BW looks perfect.


For you maybe, as well.

"Also for SC2 gaining viewers..."
You sure about that? I'm curious as to how you have access to the exact reasons behind the ever-increasing viewership. Consider a career in finance because you're basically a god among mortals. All I did was point out a trend - not attempt to rationalize the reason behind it. I know better than that.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
June 27 2011 02:38 GMT
#149
On June 27 2011 11:28 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 05:21 TheKefka wrote:
On June 27 2011 05:06 deafhobbit wrote:
On June 27 2011 04:26 Gotmog wrote:
On June 27 2011 02:22 Kipsate wrote:
On June 27 2011 01:46 Daimai wrote:
I started playing in SC2, but I just can't get into watching BW. The bad graphics make it hard to understand what's going on for a newbie.


That is what I don't get , despite the ''outdated'' graphics everything has much more clarity in BW. whenever a big battle occurs in SC2 its fucking lasorsz and shit all over my screen I can't see jack shit, its 2 balls engaging in a space the size of a cardbox.

Not true.
You probably can't see it, because you are so used to bw.
But for a new spectator, bw is unwatchable.


The number of people in this thread who started watching BW after Sc2 came out likely disagree with your claim that BW is unwatchable.


Its not unwatchable but,it really is a hard adjustment if you never watched these kind of games before.
It took me 6 months to start understanding what is going on,at first i gave up because its quite hard to get into BW right now if you don't dedicate yourself too it,but when I started watching some moletrap casts i started to understand many things that i couldn't understand before
and I think that is the prime reason that there's less and less influx on new BW watchers.

When the Sc2 Beta came out day9 with King of the Beta and Husky were my gateway to Starcraft.
Unfortunately people do not have those kind of things for BW here anymore.

The difficult adjustment has nothing to do with graphics. When i first started watching proBW i also took a long time to understand what was going on due to various factors like camera movement and unfamiliarity with the units.

Your initial post was a slant against BW graphics making the game hard to understand and then when shown evidence to the contrary you changed your argument to it's difficult to understand with english commentary.

I think he's saying that he has trouble understanding what's going on(which is why he needs english commentary - the korean commentary doesn't really clarify much). If you switch from SC2 you would likely have this problem. Most of the units are similar, but all of the builds/timings/playstyles are MASSIVELY different.

As for the casters it would be: "Oh, and now he's getting his gas after his third hatchery, so he's likely going 3 hatch muta. This would give him map control, and allow him to get his third base and Hive tech up." A SCII player would not know what 3 hatch muta is, nor would they know the hive timings(or even why you need to go hive).
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
June 27 2011 02:41 GMT
#150
On June 27 2011 11:22 p4NDemik wrote:
EffOrt retiring and CJ not feeling the same led to me watching less, though SC2 being there as an alternative definitely filled that niche. I still watch from time to time and when EffOrt officially starts his comeback it may become more frequent.

Yea this too, Once EffOrt is back and sKyHigh will stop slumping, i would probably watch more.
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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 02:44:42
June 27 2011 02:44 GMT
#151
I think a lot of potential BW watchers might not watch it because they get caught up with trying to understand all the build orders and strategic details. I got into watching it simply because the action is exciting and I feel like a lot of casual watchers are similar too. Knowing unit abilities, spells, and basic attack timings are really all you need to enjoy watching BW from a totally spectator standpoint - similar to enjoying watching soccer or football without needing to know every little strategy the team is trying to do. This is the beauty of starcraft and the reason why it continues to be popular in korea; you don't need to play BW in order to enjoy watching it.
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Coriolis
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
June 27 2011 02:46 GMT
#152
Yeah, I mostly watch SC2 and play it, but every now and then I go watch BW. I personally have almost no clue what is going on, I know what all the units do since I used to play against the AI (lol) a long time ago but that is more or less it. I know a couple of the more common builds, but none of the subtle details or anything. I just find it entertaining to see the insanity with them microing multiple fights at the same time, and laughing when units glitch out.
Descolada in everything not TL/Starcraft
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 27 2011 02:48 GMT
#153
No affect. Never got into Starcraft 2 at all.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 27 2011 02:57 GMT
#154
On June 27 2011 11:38 Peterblue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2011 11:28 ShadeR wrote:
On June 27 2011 05:21 TheKefka wrote:
On June 27 2011 05:06 deafhobbit wrote:
On June 27 2011 04:26 Gotmog wrote:
On June 27 2011 02:22 Kipsate wrote:
On June 27 2011 01:46 Daimai wrote:
I started playing in SC2, but I just can't get into watching BW. The bad graphics make it hard to understand what's going on for a newbie.


That is what I don't get , despite the ''outdated'' graphics everything has much more clarity in BW. whenever a big battle occurs in SC2 its fucking lasorsz and shit all over my screen I can't see jack shit, its 2 balls engaging in a space the size of a cardbox.

Not true.
You probably can't see it, because you are so used to bw.
But for a new spectator, bw is unwatchable.


The number of people in this thread who started watching BW after Sc2 came out likely disagree with your claim that BW is unwatchable.


Its not unwatchable but,it really is a hard adjustment if you never watched these kind of games before.
It took me 6 months to start understanding what is going on,at first i gave up because its quite hard to get into BW right now if you don't dedicate yourself too it,but when I started watching some moletrap casts i started to understand many things that i couldn't understand before
and I think that is the prime reason that there's less and less influx on new BW watchers.

When the Sc2 Beta came out day9 with King of the Beta and Husky were my gateway to Starcraft.
Unfortunately people do not have those kind of things for BW here anymore.

The difficult adjustment has nothing to do with graphics. When i first started watching proBW i also took a long time to understand what was going on due to various factors like camera movement and unfamiliarity with the units.

Your initial post was a slant against BW graphics making the game hard to understand and then when shown evidence to the contrary you changed your argument to it's difficult to understand with english commentary.

I think he's saying that he has trouble understanding what's going on(which is why he needs english commentary - the korean commentary doesn't really clarify much). If you switch from SC2 you would likely have this problem. Most of the units are similar, but all of the builds/timings/playstyles are MASSIVELY different.

As for the casters it would be: "Oh, and now he's getting his gas after his third hatchery, so he's likely going 3 hatch muta. This would give him map control, and allow him to get his third base and Hive tech up." A SCII player would not know what 3 hatch muta is, nor would they know the hive timings(or even why you need to go hive).

That's my point exactly. I also began watching proBW in late 2009. When i started i didn't even know what a reaver was. I spent months watching moletrap, diggity, cholera, nuke, rise commentaries until i graduated to korean commentary. It was never an issue of graphics. I daresay people switching from sc2 would have it easier than me who started from ground zero. I remember clearly the days where 2 rax and 10 rax would confuse the shit out of me... ok hes building 2 barracks..... ok hes build a barracks how the fuck is that 10 rax?
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
June 27 2011 02:58 GMT
#155
I have a friend that started with sc2 and then started watching bw and he liked watching bw more than sc2 even though he had no idea what was going on xD
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
June 27 2011 03:14 GMT
#156
Blizzard should have done us a favor and called it "Spacecraft: Wings of Liberty" Much like the highlander, there can be only one!
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
June 27 2011 03:20 GMT
#157
SC2 had no effect on my Broodwar watching. I started watching BW pro scene in 2008, enjoyed it pre-Sc2 and still enjoy it now post Sc2.

P.S.

D_so, is that you from dota? dxd/ih/tdt all those leagues...your name sounds very familiar
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 27 2011 03:36 GMT
#158
Pretty much the opposite.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-27 04:10:23
June 27 2011 03:47 GMT
#159
On June 27 2011 12:20 Archers_bane wrote:
SC2 had no effect on my Broodwar watching. I started watching BW pro scene in 2008, enjoyed it pre-Sc2 and still enjoy it now post Sc2.

P.S.

D_so, is that you from dota? dxd/ih/tdt all those leagues...your name sounds very familiar


haha yeah it is me.

archers_bane? + you had a brother right? =P
manner
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
June 27 2011 04:03 GMT
#160
Starcraft 2 introduced me to the e-sports pro scene. I played BW in the past but payed no attention to the scene. A few months after Starcraft 2 I started learning more about some past BW players and current ones. I think that and those Hyun joong becomes a progamer episodes got me into watching BW. After I watched a few team league streams I was convinced BW is more entertaining to watch and requires more skill which made me appreciate it even more.

Currently watch both games.
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