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Why can't I choose...Did SC2 lead you to watching BW? - Page 9
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
And I'm also tempted to learn WC3, dammit Why can't I choose... | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
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HighTemper
Canada3867 Posts
On June 26 2011 23:41 Mereel wrote: sc2 had an effect on me watching more bw because it showed me how much better bw is. So many ppl quoted this because it speaks the truth. I was a casual BW watcher since 2003, but after all the dispute, disband, and turbulence in the scene, I actually appreciate more BW and become a true fan of the amazing RTS! | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 27 2011 11:38 Peterblue wrote: I think he's saying that he has trouble understanding what's going on(which is why he needs english commentary - the korean commentary doesn't really clarify much). If you switch from SC2 you would likely have this problem. Most of the units are similar, but all of the builds/timings/playstyles are MASSIVELY different. I feel like this aspect is often understated. People on the BW forums tend to treat SC2 like "My First Starcraft", but it's a different game, in ways both large and small that add up. As for the casters it would be: "Oh, and now he's getting his gas after his third hatchery, so he's likely going 3 hatch muta. This would give him map control, and allow him to get his third base and Hive tech up." A SCII player would not know what 3 hatch muta is, nor would they know the hive timings(or even why you need to go hive). Having said that, it's not THAT extreme. An SC2 player wouldn't know the phrase "3 hatch muta" (though they could probably guess it involves 3 hatches making mutalisks), but they understand concept like map control and the need to tech up. Most casters say "3 hatch muta" and that's it because he expects the audience to know. If a caster goes "He's going 3 hatch muta to get map control to safely tech to hive", that's a sentence that an SC2 player can understand. If the SC2 player is good, he can even understand WHY Mutas give map control. Where they get lost is a lot of little tiny thinks that add up to a general sense of confusion, especially timings. BW bases take a lot longer to mine out. It takes longer for that first bit of aggression or harassment to start. Terrans don't mine bases out faster than other races. Hive tech comes a lot sooner (SC2 zerg gets a hive basically to finish and opponent off). Etc etc etc. I watched a Jaedong vs Fantasy game today, and it felt kind of like SC2 (especially since Jaedong went mass muta vs bio with some tanks), but...off. Everything just felt kind of uneasy and wrong, because all the timings were weird to me, even though I watched BW hardcore for a year and a half and have played like 500 games on ICCUP, just because I wasn't used to it. Oddly enough, the guy instinct of someone used to SC2 seeing BW for the first time was a sense that the BW players were doing it wrong, even though that obviously doesn't make sense. The players won't be doing standard hallmarks of good play in SC2. I'm watching an SC2 game on my other stream, and the Terran is multi-dropping the Protoss constantly, while attacking in another point entirely. That's just standard SC2 TvP nowadays (it's a code A game). When I watch BW, I don't see that kind of thing, because the BW players are doing other really impressive things I don't understand well enough to appreciate. I mean, I'm only speaking from my experience, but I think the problem isn't that SC2 player don't understand BW in broad terms. We do. It's the little details we're missing. I understand how hard it is to macro and the mechanics, but I don't really feel it as much as I think I need to. I used to. I know I can again eventually. But right now...enh. I think, honestly, it just comes from experience, and commentators who get excited about thinks BW fans take for granted. Nukethestars is fantastic, but I think BW needs another Klazart, or a Day9, who's good and making things sound exciting and making you understand why you should be excited. (Also, what happened to Klazart?) | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
On June 27 2011 12:47 d_so wrote: haha yeah it is me. archers_bane? + you had a brother right? =P yeah "Audmeister" haha good memory...do you still play dota? Or did you move over to HoN like many of us. anyways, I feel like if you watched BW for a long time before SC2 came out, the moments in SC2 when there is a battle and to show little micro-skills are just boring compared to the BW scene. Maybe I'm biased or I just really appreciated seeing crazy macro/micro skills where you cant just group all units/buildings. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:39 Archers_bane wrote: yeah "Audmeister" haha good memory...do you still play dota? Or did you move over to HoN like many of us. anyways, I feel like if you watched BW for a long time before SC2 came out, the moments in SC2 when there is a battle and to show little micro-skills are just boring compared to the BW scene. Maybe I'm biased or I just really appreciated seeing crazy macro/micro skills where you cant just group all units/buildings. couldn't find any of Nada's splits >_>, stuff like this is becoming pretty common though. There are so many other micro techniques that people can/should/sometimes do use in SC2, it's kind of annoying that most people try and act as if every top Korean is just 1-aing around the map. There is a lot of progress to be made, especially when it comes to micro, but that's because players aren't doing it, not because it doesn't exist. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:39 Archers_bane wrote: yeah "Audmeister" haha good memory...do you still play dota? Or did you move over to HoN like many of us. anyways, I feel like if you watched BW for a long time before SC2 came out, the moments in SC2 when there is a battle and to show little micro-skills are just boring compared to the BW scene. Maybe I'm biased or I just really appreciated seeing crazy macro/micro skills where you cant just group all units/buildings. yeah dude i still play dota. i play on korean pubs or sometimes i play with my lil bro on dotacash but i lag to crap. HoN... looks gay haha. if only the dxd forums had the kinda brainpower TL has. Sigh | ||
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entocheets
Australia367 Posts
SC2 lead me to TL, leading me to click on some of the streams - stumbled upon some matches, and now I watch whenever I'm browsing/TBLS are playing lol Brought back memories of watching my brother play BW when I was younger. The sounds are so nostalgic | ||
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prosatan
Romania8024 Posts
Only SC:BW !! | ||
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whamm
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On June 26 2011 23:48 stork4ever wrote: I watch more sc2 now because there is more content, but most of the time they are in the background and I enjoy the commentators. I get more hyped for BW matchups and usually drop everything and watch them with popcorn and snacks =) go both scenes! This is pretty much my feeling exactly. Although when a player I like is playing I get equally excited between games when they win, that said I enjoy watching BW way more, there's just not enough of it. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On June 27 2011 15:43 Skwid1g wrote: It made me watch less, but I still catch games from the players I like as well as finals/hyped games. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA couldn't find any of Nada's splits >_>, stuff like this is becoming pretty common though. There are so many other micro techniques that people can/should/sometimes do use in SC2, it's kind of annoying that most people try and act as if every top Korean is just 1-aing around the map. There is a lot of progress to be made, especially when it comes to micro, but that's because players aren't doing it, not because it doesn't exist. SC2 re-energized me into the scene after a 9 or 10 year gap. I watched some of the old WCGs and other early stuff. I knew who boxer was. Then I found other games (The Korean MMO Ragnarok online, silly me.) for a long time. SC2 brought me back to paying attention to starcraft as a whole, which brought me here, which made me regret ever turning away from starcraft at all! I don't watch a lot of BW, but that's partially for lack of english commentary. Maybe I should just start commentating over proleague matches... Hmm, yes, that's a thing. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
1) Names. There is nothing like "Jaedong vs Flash" in SC2 yet. If I hear "Jeadong versus Flash" in any context, I want to see that match. If it is "Bisu vs. someone else" I am also eager to watch it. 2) Meaning. Every little move in korean BW pro matches has a meaning. Sometimes I even forget that I am actually watching Starcraft, I just see the game. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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