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vaj
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany327 Posts
December 13 2004 22:20 GMT
#181
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Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
December 13 2004 22:36 GMT
#182
I know.
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28636 Posts
December 13 2004 22:39 GMT
#183
I seem to remember from playing some microchallenge vs the computer that if you do not spread your scouts out, they get oh my god sooo raped in a 12 vs 12 fight.

they win if you spread them well tho
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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
December 13 2004 22:56 GMT
#184
2 Famouzze, try not talking shit to one who beat Androide and is 3rd place WCG winner.
you should be happy beast offered you pvp bo5. i think it's still useless coz it will be 5:0. yes, beast is not korean super-progamer, but he's in top 10 non-koreans, ok? even if testie beat him once, this doesn't mean he can do it again and vice-verce. think about it. just think, don't talk. dont even open you mouth. it's the shittest thing to sit at home and write to public that you can win WCG 3rd place winner. who are you after this? think about this too. and your arguments are very-very weak, if it's hard to use DA correctly - this does NOT mean they are the worst units, this means only the player is weak, just give DA to rA and see what happens. and imagine boxer with 10 DA waiting for 12 carriers with MC ready. huh???


at all the idea of finding the worst unit in BW is stupid if you are not specialist. be sure blizzard has many specialists who work on these issues.

scouts are very good when you have a lot of them with supporting >=10 ShB's. this is because of their speed. of course you should only switch (step-by-step) to scouts when the game is late. the ideal scenario when palyers divided the map and full of supply and no major battle for a long time (just like zelotito's recent game on bnet tournament vs zerg).
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
Hautamaki
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Canada1311 Posts
December 13 2004 23:06 GMT
#185
DA's are dumb because they're huge and have poor patching ai. MC and Feedback are both spells that require targetting specific units. It's very hard to do that with a big, dumb, slow unit like a DA. Plus, do you know how much space 10 DA's takes up? It's ridiculous, 10 DA's can barely fit inside LT's natural with the nexus and probes and stuff there. Trying to do anything at all with 10 DA's is just hard because they're huge and dumb and unwieldly. Great in concept, but, just like the ultralisk used to be, too big and dumb and slow to actually be good. Ultras got a mega boost with their speed and armour upgrades, and now they're really good. DA's need a similar boost to take into account the fact that they're big and dumb and slow.
True learning is not the memorization of knowledge; it is the internalization of patterns.
Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-13 23:14:44
December 13 2004 23:13 GMT
#186
Geez, what are some people thinking? If a unit is only good versus the same race, then it's not really that great a unit now is it? Well there's arguments against that I guess, like humans invent weapons to kill other humans, but still, I for one feel this game was meant to allow people fight other players with different races first hand.

Saying that a skilled player would rock with 10 DA:s is silly since he would have died a long time ago unless he was already in the lead and just tried to be cute. The only time I've seen it work was on a very unique map, paradoxx which have lots of resources at the start location. On other maps it wouldn't be a very wise choice.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
December 14 2004 01:15 GMT
#187
A lot of the "useless" units tend to be more useful or more "tide turning" in team games.
"Eyes in the sky."
DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
December 14 2004 01:17 GMT
#188
BC is most worthless unit ever. it sux ok? :D
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28636 Posts
December 14 2004 02:03 GMT
#189
no getting 10 da's doesnt mean you're dead if your opponent was massing carriers in the meantime.

considering 12 carriers costs like
twice as much minerals and more gas as well
you know
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
December 14 2004 02:19 GMT
#190
On December 14 2004 06:41 FrozenArbiter wrote:
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On December 13 2004 17:17 LastWish wrote:
u kill scouts with corsair as easy as mutas(since mutas suffer only 1/2 sair dmg)

Except scouts have 3x the hp/shield and and do 3x the damage?

So Sad your math is so Bad - scout shield+Hp=100+150=250, mutalisk Hp=120 multiplied 2(since take 1/2 dmg) = 240.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
DaRkTxUs
Profile Joined December 2004
Chile4 Posts
December 14 2004 02:25 GMT
#191
Broodling it stinks out.
L o V e D o M
Profile Joined December 2004
United States34 Posts
December 14 2004 10:06 GMT
#192
Famouzze you suck dick.
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-12-14 10:29:12
December 14 2004 10:27 GMT
#193
On December 13 2004 03:58 FrozenArbiter wrote:
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On December 13 2004 01:51 tfeign wrote:
List of units that are useless ( have absolutely no use in the game, needs major balancing):

The only useless unit is hands down the infested terran. No doubt about it. Seriously the infested terran needs some major balancing so that these units can become part of a viable part of a strategy.


List of underpowered units (have uses in the game under certain conditions, but are still underpowered as a whole. Needs a buff in balance changes in order to make them more viable):

#1 and #2 are tied: Scouts and Ghosts

#3 Dark Archons

#4 Queen

ASDUIGAUYUFG !&*@T!@7y68342487234

Ghosts and Scouts counter what? YES THAT'S RIGHT, CAPITAL SHIPS! They were made to counter capital ships not to fight dragoons head-on, ok? It's called a SPECIALIZED UNIT.

Dark archons and queens = ALSO SPECIALIZED UNITS, K?



GFUYAGIUDSA 43278424386Y7@!t@*&!

READ NEXT TIME THX have uses in the game under certain conditions, but are still underpowered as a whole. Needs a buff in balance changes in order to make them more viable

K?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 14 2004 16:08 GMT
#194
They are perfectly viable in the situations they were created for. Hence, there is absolutely NO need for any buffing of said units- -;
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
December 14 2004 16:12 GMT
#195
i hate critters.....just kill them..
yeehaw
Profile Joined October 2004
San Marino888 Posts
December 14 2004 16:18 GMT
#196
Cant cobalt and beast play a fucking tvp instead?
G_G
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
December 14 2004 17:29 GMT
#197
On December 14 2004 19:27 tfeign wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2004 03:58 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On December 13 2004 01:51 tfeign wrote:
List of units that are useless ( have absolutely no use in the game, needs major balancing):

The only useless unit is hands down the infested terran. No doubt about it. Seriously the infested terran needs some major balancing so that these units can become part of a viable part of a strategy.


List of underpowered units (have uses in the game under certain conditions, but are still underpowered as a whole. Needs a buff in balance changes in order to make them more viable):

#1 and #2 are tied: Scouts and Ghosts

#3 Dark Archons

#4 Queen

ASDUIGAUYUFG !&*@T!@7y68342487234

Ghosts and Scouts counter what? YES THAT'S RIGHT, CAPITAL SHIPS! They were made to counter capital ships not to fight dragoons head-on, ok? It's called a SPECIALIZED UNIT.

Dark archons and queens = ALSO SPECIALIZED UNITS, K?



GFUYAGIUDSA 43278424386Y7@!t@*&!

READ NEXT TIME THX have uses in the game under certain conditions, but are still underpowered as a whole. Needs a buff in balance changes in order to make them more viable

K?
Well,if they were any stronger than they are now, nobody would make carriers,bcs,ultras or any spellcasters versus protoss.I like them as they are right now.I think they will be used much more in the future in PvZ and PvP.There aren't many uses against terran - feedback or mind control a science vessel on an air map,mind control a dropship(omg, i gotta try this vs some freaking terran building 4-5 ships and flying around) and mind control an scv if youre maxed(this is a sound strategy IMO.The terran can't really prevent you from doing it in most cases)
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2013 Posts
December 14 2004 17:52 GMT
#198
Well i don't think DA would be used more in the future unless mealstrom 75.
Scout ground attack is hilarious, and dies pretty fast to any ranged unit/building.
Queen is a good unit though - cost 100/100 only is fast flying and has powerful spells broodlings/ensnare(also research is cheap) - they aren't used unly because Zerg players aren't used for waiting, since defilers don't wait for mana - instead they consume lings for it.
Ghosts - hard to micro, useless vs Zerg, probably because Protoss would have upgrades and in TvP Terran does not upgrade infantry + gas needed on metal = not used.
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17238 Posts
December 14 2004 18:13 GMT
#199
I love teh scouts!!! So what if sairs are better?! Scouts are just so cool! I almost fell down from my chair when I saw my god Nal_ra build a scout in PvZ
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
December 14 2004 18:15 GMT
#200
Hehe, scouts certainly can be used now and then, but only because ppl don't bother defending from them.Still ,this means they aren't completely useless.
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
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