EPT[News] KeSPA announces their official stance - Page 2
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Moderas
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:33 Moderas wrote: at first they wanted royalties, but i think their motive is for bw to make way for sc2 nowI havnt been following the KeSPA/Blizz situation that closely as I didnt start watching competitive SC until SC2 came out. Because of my lack of info feel free to correct me if im wrong. What i've gathered is that KeSPA was holding tournaments without a contract or something (Violated IP rights?) and Blizz wants them to pay a lot of money for it even though KeSPA is responsible for probably half of their income from SC anyway? | ||
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ricerocket
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Moderas
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
KeSPA 1.7 billion won income in 2007 OGN 600 million won spent in 3 years MBC 600 million won spent in 3 years IEG 1.5 billion won income in 3 years KeSPA 1.5 billion won spent to OGN/MBC in 3 years OGN 750 million won back for broadcasting creation in 3 years / 250 million won a year MBC 750 million won back for broadcasting creation in 3 years / 250 million won a year Gretech / Blizz (don't know which one) asks for 700 million won each year (not 700m but it sums up to this amount). With the distribution of: KeSPA 100 million won each year OGN 300 million won each year MBC 300 million won each year Did I do it right ? would really be helpfull if we get a spreadsheet of income/outcome and what the profit/losses would be if gretech/blizz got their demands of fees. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote: Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely. That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below: "KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league. While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports." Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings. Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction? | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:48 shannn wrote: Is this right ? KeSPA 1.7 billion won income in 2007 OGN 600 million won spent in 3 years MBC 600 million won spent in 3 years IEG 1.5 billion won income in 3 years KeSPA 1.5 billion won spent to OGN/MBC in 3 years OGN 750 million won back for broadcasting creation in 3 years / 250 million won a year MBC 750 million won back for broadcasting creation in 3 years / 250 million won a year Gretech / Blizz (don't know which one) asks for 700 million won each year. With the distribution of: KeSPA 100 million won each year OGN 300 million won each year MBC 300 million won each year Did I do it right ? would really be helpfull if we get a spreadsheet of income/outcome and what the profit/losses would be if gretech/blizz got their demands of fees. shann, KeSPA was talking about the total cost to run the eSport tournaments which included studio fees, staff wages, player prizes etc. the amounts you mentioned about GOM/Blizz is the fee they want as royalty to license the use of the game. all other costs are on top of it. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:50 cocoa_sg wrote: That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below: "KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league. While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports." Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings. Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction? Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that. | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:51 dybydx wrote: shann, KeSPA was talking about the total cost to run the eSport tournaments which included studio fees, staff wages, player prizes etc. the amounts you mentioned about GOM/Blizz is the fee they want as royalty to license the use of the game. all other costs are on top of it. Yea I figured that out already but just wanted to know about the fees for what they mentioned. Obviously salaries / prize money goes on top which goes further but I can't get that information out of the post. I already figured out that with salaries and prize money they'll get losses but just wanted a sheet for this about the post. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote: Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that. Then, would you like to give me several reasons that show Blizzard DOES care about e-sports? Tell me now, before you label anyone a blind fanboy. | ||
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ricerocket
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:00 ricerocket wrote: Um, that they are trusting the longevity of their new game entirely to the success of its eSport element? By wanting to kill off a successful BW proscene in Korea just to promote a new game? I don't think so. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote: Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that. its true. blizz doesnt care about eSport. the CEO of blizzard answers to the board of directors who in turn answer to the shareholders. how many shareholders of activision blizzard care about eSport? the only reason why blizz is giving a damn right now is because they see money on the table. why else was BW dropped from blizzcon? | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:56 cocoa_sg wrote: Then, would you like to give me several reasons that show Blizzard DOES care about e-sports? Tell me now, before you label anyone a blind fanboy. You might want to change your signature. I think we can all agree that we can't really trust either side 100%. That said, I can't help but lean slightly more to Blizzard/Gretech's side after KeSPA's history of fuck-ups and their general tone of empty words whenever they make a statement like this. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote: Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that. you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
And even if that is ultimately their goal, it is still a way to push for the evolution of eSport, not to KILL eSport. Newsflash, BW is a good eSport, but it's not EVERYTHING about eSport. Please see that your BW fanboyism is blinding you and at least try to move away from that when speaking logic. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:02 stafu wrote: You might want to change your signature. I think we can all agree that we can't really trust either side 100%. That said, I can't help but lean slightly more to Blizzard/Gretech's side after KeSPA's history of fuck-ups and their general tone of empty words whenever they make a statement like this. My signature says I am a rabid fanboy of the BW AND SC2 proscene. Get your opinions right. I am neither a fan of Blizzard or Kespa, but Blizzard's attitude in this is despicable. | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:04 ricerocket wrote: I still don't get what makes you think that their suing of KeSPA = them wanting to kill BW. And even if that is ultimately their goal, it is still a way to push for the evolution of eSport, not to KILL eSport. Newsflash, BW is a good eSport, but it's not EVERYTHING about eSport. Please see that your BW fanboyism is blinding you and at least try to move away from that when speaking logic. That statement of yours alone show that you are indeed blind to what is really going on. *sigh* And you think I support only BW? Sorry, you are mistaken. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:04 ricerocket wrote: I still don't get what makes you think that their suing of KeSPA = them wanting to kill BW. And even if that is ultimately their goal, it is still a way to push for the evolution of eSport, not to KILL eSport. Newsflash, BW is a good eSport, but it's not EVERYTHING about eSport. Please see that your BW fanboyism is blinding you and at least try to move away from that when speaking logic. I have argued the same thing that you are arguing right now,but the thing is if Blizzard wins KeSPA will essentially become bankrupt because Blizzard will just suck all of the money they have left.Unless blizzard can continue running BW the way KeSPA has BW will die. | ||
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