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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
October 28 2010 10:09 GMT
#41
Hate both sides PR bullshit campaign, one minute KeSPA is playing dirty as hell - the next they are acting like little angels and it's all the same with Blizzard. Does my head in.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 10:12:41
October 28 2010 10:09 GMT
#42
After all this crap i rather some other game company other than blizzard be the one who pushes about eSports. Too much politics involved for it to even grow healthily. If blizzard is at the helm of this "eSports" revolution, I'm quite sure that eSports would grow ONLY if it benefitted them immensely.

^ and pretty much this. KeSPA has also been quite an asshole(couldn't find another appropriate word) who has been mucking up so many decisions. Just refer to recent proleagues for examples of KeSPA at work.

I shall stay out of this shitfest and just fervently hope proleague continues
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
October 28 2010 10:10 GMT
#43
On October 28 2010 19:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 19:04 ricerocket wrote:
I still don't get what makes you think that their suing of KeSPA = them wanting to kill BW.

And even if that is ultimately their goal, it is still a way to push for the evolution of eSport, not to KILL eSport.

Newsflash, BW is a good eSport, but it's not EVERYTHING about eSport. Please see that your BW fanboyism is blinding you and at least try to move away from that when speaking logic.


I have argued the same thing that you are arguing right now,but the thing is if Blizzard wins KeSPA will essentially become bankrupt because Blizzard will just suck all of the money they have left.Unless blizzard can continue running BW the way KeSPA has BW will die.

KeSPA is a NFP entity and have been running losses for the last few yrs. they have next to nothing in net assets.
...from the land of imba
ricerocket
Profile Joined May 2010
154 Posts
October 28 2010 10:16 GMT
#44
On October 28 2010 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:50 cocoa_sg wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote:
Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely.


That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below:

"KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league.
While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports."

Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings.

Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction?


Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that.


you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all.


Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how!

I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element.

However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe.

WAKE UP! geez
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
October 28 2010 10:16 GMT
#45
On October 28 2010 19:04 ricerocket wrote:
I still don't get what makes you think that their suing of KeSPA = them wanting to kill BW.

And even if that is ultimately their goal, it is still a way to push for the evolution of eSport, not to KILL eSport.

Newsflash, BW is a good eSport, but it's not EVERYTHING about eSport. Please see that your BW fanboyism is blinding you and at least try to move away from that when speaking logic.


Perhaps no, but how many people (players, coach, etc) who make a living out of BW pro scene?

This is the very reason that I believe we must support KeSPA, eventually not KeSPA itself but everybody in the pro-scene. If BW scene dies, I'm afraid that it will be difficult for all the players particularly to get an adequate jobs. I simply can't ignore the players after all their work to satisfy my hunger for high level gaming scene.


Entaro Adun!
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
October 28 2010 10:18 GMT
#46
I don't think that Blizzard does want to kill BW e-sports.

I just have a theory that Blizzard just wants the e-sports proscene in Korea to be more of a healthier lifestyle to the players. Their past donations and their plan to use any royalties (if any) in the future are targeted for the progamers to go to school or have an education.

Currently, it is very risky to be a BW progamer. You have to sacrifice a lot of your time and energy practicing to get good enough to compete. To the average progamer, it's an uncertain future, especially after when you get older. I don't see much progamers past mid-20s in age in BW e-sports, and moving into a commentator or coach position is not always guaranteed or certain.

The reason why I say this is because, I don't think Blizzard wants their game to be the game that may lead certain young individuals to lead a lifestyle that might affect them negatively in the future after their progaming life. Most of them start at teenage years which affects their education. If they practice instead of spending time on their education, who knows what other career opportunities they risk losing. It might make Blizzard look bad if other people see how BW affect these young individuals. I know, I know, it's the choice of the person to forgo this lifestyle, but still... it's because of the game. I just think that Blizzard doesn't want the progamers to devote so much time into gaming at such a young age.

Not saying I am right about this, just my opinion or idea...
I love you sarge.... AHHHH
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
October 28 2010 10:19 GMT
#47
On October 28 2010 19:16 ricerocket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:50 cocoa_sg wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote:
Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely.


That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below:

"KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league.
While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports."

Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings.

Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction?


Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that.


you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all.


Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how!

I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element.

However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe.

WAKE UP! geez


By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part.
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ricerocket
Profile Joined May 2010
154 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 10:26:21
October 28 2010 10:24 GMT
#48
If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right?

Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker?
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
October 28 2010 10:24 GMT
#49
On October 28 2010 19:19 cocoa_sg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 19:16 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:50 cocoa_sg wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote:
Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely.


That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below:

"KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league.
While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports."

Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings.

Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction?


Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that.


you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all.


Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how!

I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element.

However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe.

WAKE UP! geez


By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part.

Everything SC2 is an evolution, apparently. How can we be so dumb not to understand that?
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
October 28 2010 10:28 GMT
#50
On October 28 2010 19:24 ricerocket wrote:
If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right?

Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker?


So what you are saying is that we cannot have two DIFFERENT and viable e-sports, in this case, BW AND SC2. How hard can we as fans wish for both to continue together?
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ricerocket
Profile Joined May 2010
154 Posts
October 28 2010 10:29 GMT
#51
Once again, it's hilarious you guys think Blizz will just shut down BW after they take it over.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#52
On October 28 2010 19:24 ricerocket wrote:
If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right?

Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker?

Stop trying to equate things which are clearly not equivalent.
ricerocket
Profile Joined May 2010
154 Posts
October 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#53
Stop showing your typing speed to be faster than your ability to think.

User was warned for this post
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
October 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#54
On October 28 2010 19:29 ricerocket wrote:
Once again, it's hilarious you guys think Blizz will just shut down BW after they take it over.

well... they did remove BW from Blizzcon. and GOM did want to be "compensated" for the broadcast time slots that Proleague games are taking away from the GSL.
...from the land of imba
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
October 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#55
Just because Kespa is not making profit does not mean that they are exempt from paying Blizzard
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
October 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#56
On October 28 2010 19:19 cocoa_sg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 19:16 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:50 cocoa_sg wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote:
Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely.


That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below:

"KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league.
While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports."

Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings.

Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction?


Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that.


you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all.


Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how!

I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element.

However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe.

WAKE UP! geez


By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part.

Please read his last paragraph. Many people do not believe Blizzard will cold turkey BW, it's only KeSPA fanboys who do. They spread misinformation about Blizzard specifically wanting to kill BW citing their actions. (continuous negotiations for 3 years????)
Blizzard isn't stupid. If people truly want to watch BW in/from Korea they will have it aired until it naturally dies out. Why any of you believe they won't is beyond me. They're known to run stuff at a loss for the fans. (Blizzcon)


On that note, I absolutely love how Blizzard's statements get shut down as "PR PR PR BULLSHIT LIES HATE HATE" and KeSPA's statements get "SEE THEY CARE! POOR GUYS." Funny stuff.
Taengoo ♥
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
October 28 2010 10:39 GMT
#57
On October 28 2010 19:33 b_unnies wrote:
Just because Kespa is not making profit does not mean that they are exempt from paying Blizzard

actually... yes they are exempt because of their NFP status.

since KeSPA is NFP they always pumped money back into developing the game but most of this development is like organizing teams, events, etc, but teams can disband, just like eSTRO. in other words, KeSPA has no money and very few assets that can be sold for cash. which is why Blizz realize there is no point in suing KeSPA and instead went after MBC.

so ya, if anything, its MBC that pays up.
...from the land of imba
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 28 2010 10:40 GMT
#58
On October 28 2010 19:33 ricerocket wrote:
Stop showing your typing speed to be faster than your ability to think.

Resorting to ad hominem nice =]
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 10:44:30
October 28 2010 10:42 GMT
#59
On October 28 2010 19:34 xBillehx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2010 19:19 cocoa_sg wrote:
On October 28 2010 19:16 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:54 ricerocket wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:50 cocoa_sg wrote:
On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote:
Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely.


That is a distorted statement you are making. Look at the quote below:

"KeSPA has re-invested the entirety of the broadcasting fees into the operations of the league.
While KeSPA is a non profit organization that supports and raises the eSports industry, it can run profitable endeavors to promote a safe environment and to bolster eSports."

Whether by choice, or by default, Kespa clearly shows enough goodwill to at least promote the growth of e-sports, no matter their shortcomings.

Does it even matter whether Kespa is a non-profit organization or not? Compare their stance on e-sports to Blizzard's; do you really think Blizzard cares about e-sports at all, judging from how they are basically threatening the current BW proscene to extinction?


Blizzard doesn't care about eSport? Wow, I don't think I can win an argument with you if that's what you truly believe. I feel sorry for you, being blinded by fanboyism like that.


you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all.


Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how!

I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element.

However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe.

WAKE UP! geez


By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part.

Please read his last paragraph. Many people do not believe Blizzard will cold turkey BW, it's only KeSPA fanboys who do. They spread misinformation about Blizzard specifically wanting to kill BW citing their actions. (continuous negotiations for 3 years????)
Blizzard isn't stupid. If people truly want to watch BW in/from Korea they will have it aired until it naturally dies out. Why any of you believe they won't is beyond me. They're known to run stuff at a loss for the fans. (Blizzcon)


On that note, I absolutely love how Blizzard's statements get shut down as "PR PR PR BULLSHIT LIES HATE HATE" and KeSPA's statements get "SEE THEY CARE! POOR GUYS." Funny stuff.


The real question here is, is Blizzard willing to reinvest into the BW proscene if they win the lawsuit against MBC? If they shut down broadcasting of BW, Kespa will fall apart and there will be no new investments into the proscene due to no income from lack of broadcasting.

And that means the death of BW.

The answer is doubtful at best. Like someone else already mentioned, Blizzard stopped support for BW for years, and now it has been cut off from Blizzcon. What makes you think they will otherwise?
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
October 28 2010 10:43 GMT
#60
On October 28 2010 19:24 ricerocket wrote:
If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right?

Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker?


In order to prove that Chess masters are professional, lets force them to adapt to Go. I mean, they are not as dumb as construction workers, so I see no problem.
/sarcasm.
The games are wildly different, multitasking plays a much smaller role and army management as well. "adapting" takes a lot of effort, so I don't see why we would want that to happen in the first place unless there is no alternative.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
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