EPT[News] KeSPA announces their official stance - Page 3
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
^ and pretty much this. KeSPA has also been quite an asshole(couldn't find another appropriate word) who has been mucking up so many decisions. Just refer to recent proleagues for examples of KeSPA at work. I shall stay out of this shitfest and just fervently hope proleague continues | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:09 BLinD-RawR wrote: I have argued the same thing that you are arguing right now,but the thing is if Blizzard wins KeSPA will essentially become bankrupt because Blizzard will just suck all of the money they have left.Unless blizzard can continue running BW the way KeSPA has BW will die. KeSPA is a NFP entity and have been running losses for the last few yrs. they have next to nothing in net assets. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:02 BLinD-RawR wrote: you seem to be blinded too.Blizzard may care about Esports but as far as I can tell,they aren't showing it at all. Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how! I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element. However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe. WAKE UP! geez | ||
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antas
Indonesia300 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:04 ricerocket wrote: I still don't get what makes you think that their suing of KeSPA = them wanting to kill BW. And even if that is ultimately their goal, it is still a way to push for the evolution of eSport, not to KILL eSport. Newsflash, BW is a good eSport, but it's not EVERYTHING about eSport. Please see that your BW fanboyism is blinding you and at least try to move away from that when speaking logic. Perhaps no, but how many people (players, coach, etc) who make a living out of BW pro scene? This is the very reason that I believe we must support KeSPA, eventually not KeSPA itself but everybody in the pro-scene. If BW scene dies, I'm afraid that it will be difficult for all the players particularly to get an adequate jobs. I simply can't ignore the players after all their work to satisfy my hunger for high level gaming scene. | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
I just have a theory that Blizzard just wants the e-sports proscene in Korea to be more of a healthier lifestyle to the players. Their past donations and their plan to use any royalties (if any) in the future are targeted for the progamers to go to school or have an education. Currently, it is very risky to be a BW progamer. You have to sacrifice a lot of your time and energy practicing to get good enough to compete. To the average progamer, it's an uncertain future, especially after when you get older. I don't see much progamers past mid-20s in age in BW e-sports, and moving into a commentator or coach position is not always guaranteed or certain. The reason why I say this is because, I don't think Blizzard wants their game to be the game that may lead certain young individuals to lead a lifestyle that might affect them negatively in the future after their progaming life. Most of them start at teenage years which affects their education. If they practice instead of spending time on their education, who knows what other career opportunities they risk losing. It might make Blizzard look bad if other people see how BW affect these young individuals. I know, I know, it's the choice of the person to forgo this lifestyle, but still... it's because of the game. I just think that Blizzard doesn't want the progamers to devote so much time into gaming at such a young age. Not saying I am right about this, just my opinion or idea... | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:16 ricerocket wrote: Do you even know what eSport is? It is SPECTATORSHIP! It's a competition for people to WATCH! You may be entirely correct that Blizz eventually wants the BW players and audiences to move to SC2, but that's not KILLING eSport, it's their attempt (be it to your liking or not) to move it forward. How? By making the thing easier on the eye, that's how! I saw in another thread how someone thinks the BW scene will move underground after Blizz wins this lawsuit, and he's "all for it." What a joke, that's entirely the opposite of what eSport is supposed to be. BW is successful in Korea not because it's a niche market, but because it's mainstream. To attract larger audiences, both inside and beyond Korea, several things must be considered. And I'm sorry if this sounds vain, but pretty graphics is a VERY important element. However, unlike what you guys may believe, Blizz is a top gaming company not because it's lucky, but because it's smart. One of the biggest draw for the fans of Blizz games is how interactive the company is with the fanbase and how respectful it is of us. This means they understand that it is BAD to piss off an entire country's fans of its games. I can not imagine that Blizz will shut down BW cold turkey in order to promote SC2, and I think it's hilarious that's what you guys all believe. WAKE UP! geez By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker? | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:19 cocoa_sg wrote: By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part. Everything SC2 is an evolution, apparently. How can we be so dumb not to understand that? | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:24 ricerocket wrote: If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right? Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker? So what you are saying is that we cannot have two DIFFERENT and viable e-sports, in this case, BW AND SC2. How hard can we as fans wish for both to continue together? | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:24 ricerocket wrote: If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right? Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker? Stop trying to equate things which are clearly not equivalent. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:29 ricerocket wrote: Once again, it's hilarious you guys think Blizz will just shut down BW after they take it over. well... they did remove BW from Blizzcon. and GOM did want to be "compensated" for the broadcast time slots that Proleague games are taking away from the GSL. | ||
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b_unnies
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:19 cocoa_sg wrote: By FORCING BW progamers, teams, coaches and fans to switch to an entirely new game? We are talking about 10 years of devotion and practice to BW, a game in which they all love, including me. That is NOT evolution of e-sports on Blizzard's part. Please read his last paragraph. Many people do not believe Blizzard will cold turkey BW, it's only KeSPA fanboys who do. They spread misinformation about Blizzard specifically wanting to kill BW citing their actions. (continuous negotiations for 3 years????) Blizzard isn't stupid. If people truly want to watch BW in/from Korea they will have it aired until it naturally dies out. Why any of you believe they won't is beyond me. They're known to run stuff at a loss for the fans. (Blizzcon) On that note, I absolutely love how Blizzard's statements get shut down as "PR PR PR BULLSHIT LIES HATE HATE" and KeSPA's statements get "SEE THEY CARE! POOR GUYS." Funny stuff. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:33 b_unnies wrote: Just because Kespa is not making profit does not mean that they are exempt from paying Blizzard actually... yes they are exempt because of their NFP status. since KeSPA is NFP they always pumped money back into developing the game but most of this development is like organizing teams, events, etc, but teams can disband, just like eSTRO. in other words, KeSPA has no money and very few assets that can be sold for cash. which is why Blizz realize there is no point in suing KeSPA and instead went after MBC. so ya, if anything, its MBC that pays up. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:33 ricerocket wrote: Stop showing your typing speed to be faster than your ability to think. Resorting to ad hominem nice =] | ||
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cocoa_sg
Singapore296 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:34 xBillehx wrote: Please read his last paragraph. Many people do not believe Blizzard will cold turkey BW, it's only KeSPA fanboys who do. They spread misinformation about Blizzard specifically wanting to kill BW citing their actions. (continuous negotiations for 3 years????) Blizzard isn't stupid. If people truly want to watch BW in/from Korea they will have it aired until it naturally dies out. Why any of you believe they won't is beyond me. They're known to run stuff at a loss for the fans. (Blizzcon) On that note, I absolutely love how Blizzard's statements get shut down as "PR PR PR BULLSHIT LIES HATE HATE" and KeSPA's statements get "SEE THEY CARE! POOR GUYS." Funny stuff. The real question here is, is Blizzard willing to reinvest into the BW proscene if they win the lawsuit against MBC? If they shut down broadcasting of BW, Kespa will fall apart and there will be no new investments into the proscene due to no income from lack of broadcasting. And that means the death of BW. The answer is doubtful at best. Like someone else already mentioned, Blizzard stopped support for BW for years, and now it has been cut off from Blizzcon. What makes you think they will otherwise? | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On October 28 2010 19:24 ricerocket wrote: If my job is a computer programer, I am FORCED to learn a new programing language roughly once every two years at the minimum. Why the hell do they make those new languages that's easier to build programs with anyway, right? Part of being a professional is the ability to adapt, or do you think all those progamers have the same intelligence required for a construction worker? In order to prove that Chess masters are professional, lets force them to adapt to Go. I mean, they are not as dumb as construction workers, so I see no problem. /sarcasm. The games are wildly different, multitasking plays a much smaller role and army management as well. "adapting" takes a lot of effort, so I don't see why we would want that to happen in the first place unless there is no alternative. | ||
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