[News] KeSPA announces their official stance - Page 4

On October 28 2010 19:43 mustaju wrote:


In order to prove that Chess masters are professional, lets force them to adapt to Go. I mean, they are not as dumb as construction workers, so I see no problem.
/sarcasm.
The games are wildly different, multitasking plays a much smaller role and army management as well. "adapting" takes a lot of effort, so I don't see why we would want that to happen in the first place unless there is no alternative.

On October 28 2010 19:49 Aesop wrote:
Please stop repeating all the pro Blizzard / pro Kespa arguments all over again, and above all, stop getting at each other's throats. This news update is very much appreciated but should not be used as a pretense to bring up all the hate again.

On October 28 2010 19:42 cocoa_sg wrote:


The real question here is, is Blizzard willing to reinvest into the BW proscene if they win the lawsuit against MBC? If they shut down broadcasting of BW, Kespa will fall apart and there will be no new investments into the proscene due to no income from lack of broadcasting.

The answer is doubtful at best. Like someone else already mentioned, Blizzard stopped support for BW for years, and now it has been cut off from Blizzcon. What makes you think they will otherwise?

On October 28 2010 19:29 ricerocket wrote:
Once again, it's hilarious you guys think Blizz will just shut down BW after they take it over.

On October 28 2010 19:51 xBillehx wrote:
Is Blizzard willing to reinvest into the BW proscene? I don't know, and neither does anyone else, that also goes for the people who claim Blizzard will kill BW. However taking into consideration that they do run things at a loss for fans, it's not far fetched to believe that they would reinvest.

On October 28 2010 19:55 vek wrote:


Why was there no Brood War at Blizzcon this year? The problem is that Brood War is competition for SC2. Even though it is their own product it is unfortunately in Blizzard's interest to kill off Brood War in Korea leaving Starcraft 2 as the only alternative.

Why? Control. Blizzard has 100% control over what happens in Starcraft 2 because everything has to go through (the horrible) battle.net. With control brings money. If Blizzard stays in control they can demand whatever broadcasting fees they want. If the SC2 scene is successful they stand to make a LOT of money. If it fizzles then they don't lose anything because it is not them making the investments.

It's sad, but can you honestly say you can't see the logic behind what Blizzard is doing?

I have been a long time Blizzard fan ever since Diablo 1. I own multiple copies of SC/Brood War, Diablo 2, 3 WoW Accounts and the SC2 CE. So yeah, I love Blizzard and Blizzard games. I think Starcraft 2 is a good game but it has far too many shortcomings to replace Brood War.

Think about this. If Starcraft 2 was truly an improvement and was genuinely better than Brood War they would not have to bother trying to kill off the competition, it would naturally take it's place as the premier choice for RTS and ESPORTS. Instead we have a situation where Blizzard wants to force Starcraft 2 as the only choice and in doing so destroy the only sustainable ESPORTS infrastructure.

The current SC2 infrastructure is not sustainable, to me it is looking like a fad that will quickly peak in popularity and then fade into nothing just like Halo, CoD, WC3 have already done. Brood War is the only game that has proven it's worth as a game that can stand the test of time because of the fantastic gameplay and excellent professional scene.

So yeah, I'm on KeSPA's side.

I only really have 2 question left that will be answered in the coming years:

Can Brood War survive the wrath of it's own creator?
Will Starcraft 2 ever evolve into a worthy successor to the greatest RTS ever?

On October 28 2010 19:58 dybydx wrote:

well, kespa claims they have reinvested all the surplus back into the scene.

and no, blizzard doesn't run things at a loss for fans. blizzard has been generating net income each year for a LONG time. and their losses at blizzcon doesnt count. blizzcon is a marketing event. its not called a loss, its called costs to run a business.

On October 28 2010 20:06 xBillehx wrote:

Right, since when can Blizzard not do the same and reinvest the surplus (+more?) back into the scene?

Lets take your costs of business idea. Blizzard is a company that loves it's fans. To make it's fans support them even more, they do run Blizzcon. Where, using this logic, does Blizzard benefit by killing the BW scene? Continuing the BW scene would cause people to support them (marketing). In fact it'd win over most of the anti-Blizzard people instantly if they did continue the BW procene.
Wouldn't, using your idea (which isn't invalid), they also see the continued BW proscene for it's fans as "costs to run a business"?

On October 28 2010 20:09 cocoa_sg wrote:


I do not appreciate you putting Blizzard in such a positive light. Blizzard and Kespa are both not as angelic as we make them out to be. However, I would say Kespa is the lesser evil here; you have to understand why a lot of people dissent Blizzard, including me. They are certainly not trustworthy, that much is a fact.

On October 28 2010 20:16 xBillehx wrote:

I don't necessarily believe Blizzard is angelic. I believe theres room for compromise on both sides.
I do not appreciate the people who put Blizzard (and solely Blizzard) in such a negative light either. I think they are clearly capable to do things right, and thus I post explanations why I think so.
Is there the option they screw things up? Sure, but theres also the option that they do things right, and thats what the "ZOMG BLIZZARD KILL ESPORTS" people tend to ignore.

However, you also have to understand why a lot of people dissent KeSPA as well. If you've been following the scene for years now, they've proven way beyond Blizzard that they aren't trustworthy.

On October 28 2010 18:44 ricerocket wrote:
Haha, what's with that holier-than-thou attitude about being a non-profit? Especially since, from what they've said in the press release, it's not that they don't want profit, it's that they've yet to make enough investment in the infrastructure to turn a profit. So they are non-profit not by choice but by default. Lovely.

On October 28 2010 20:06 xBillehx wrote:
Right, since when can Blizzard not do the same and reinvest the surplus (+more?) back into the scene?

Lets take your costs of business idea. Blizzard is a company that loves it's fans. To make it's fans support them even more and also as a thank you, they do run Blizzcon. Where, using this logic, does Blizzard benefit by killing the BW scene? Continuing the BW scene would cause people to support them (marketing). In fact it'd win over most of the anti-Blizzard people instantly if they did continue the BW procene.
Wouldn't, using your idea (which isn't invalid), they also see the continued BW proscene for it's fans as "costs to run a business"?