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Estonia4504 Posts
On October 30 2010 10:47 toadstool wrote:
Also, some people are saying KESPA has every right to pull out their 'employees' for playing a rival tournament like GSL etc. etc. economics etc.
If you look at Blizzard's side, why would you want to deal with competitors using YOUR OWN PRODUCT to compete against your brand new tournament? Who ignore your IP rights to YOUR OWN GAME that you developed?
It doesn't make sense.
Are we talking desires or financial arguments here? Because I have never heard anyone claim that such behavior is irrational on the surface. It's just also counterproductive..
However, if we want to see BW continue, the players need a certain workload to be capable to perform at their top performance, and we want stable sponsors and broadcasters, like OGN and MBC. These stations paid a lot of money to uphold their team, while GOM's contribution to the scene was english casters and not a lot more. This choice is completely rational as well.
I personally don't want Blizzard to succeed in order for BW to live. Because the above mentioned behavior sounds rational, and because Blizzard don't just take their players away but could well shut down the scene with irrational demands the moment they want to under shared control. So why would I possibly root for Blizzard?
I don't care about SC2. I don't care about "E-SPORTS!" at large (although I don't really think that such IP-right enforcement would be beneficial for E-sports). I want BW to survive.
P.S. Why do you put quotation marks around employees? They all have contracts.
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Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about .
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On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about .
Hear hear!
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On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about .
That is very childish arguments you give. I came from BW. Been watching this game since gom classic (bought starcraft in 1998). There are a lot of posters who want sc2 and bw to continue, there are tons of arguments why Bw is better than sc2, there were tons of people spamming Sc2 forums how good Bw is or how bad teamliquid has become since starcraft2 and complaining why day9 doesn't do BW dailies. I respect Bw and I respect Blizzard, because of the high quality games they deliver.
But I hate when people in this forum think that KeSPA is some godlike organization that only brings good to BW scene. THAT pisses me off.
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On October 30 2010 21:52 AyJay wrote:But I hate when people in this forum think that KeSPA is some godlike organization that only brings good to BW scene. THAT pisses me off.
Find me ONE person who actually believes that. T________T
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On October 30 2010 21:52 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about . That is very childish arguments you give. I came from BW. Been watching this game since gom classic (bought starcraft in 1998). There are a lot of posters who want sc2 and bw to continue, there are tons of arguments why Bw is better than sc2, there were tons of people spamming Sc2 forums how good Bw is or how bad teamliquid has become since starcraft2 and complaining why day9 doesn't do BW dailies. I respect Bw and I respect Blizzard, because of the high quality games they deliver. But I hate when people in this forum think that KeSPA is some godlike organization that only brings good to BW scene. THAT pisses me off.
Thats your opinion and other people are entitled to theirs too its not a matter of childish i just stated the very fact every new comers who come to brood war forum and post very not respective words to the bw forumers . For example " BW IS GOING TO F*CKING die " "Time to move on " . thats their problem if someone believes what ever we want . Blizzard isn't a saint itself you do know they are taking very active actions that doesn't point to what so ever friendly .We are not treating kespa as gods but as people who cares about the game and who establish starcraft as a game that we all can enjoy now.
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So because you get trolled we should split TL into some sort of SC1/SC2 rivalry? Come on. There is trolling on both sides (more from BW before the whole IP issue, more from SC2 afterwards), and on the Internet in general. It is nothing new.
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The sc2 trolls are annoying though, and it really hurts having a proper discussion. They all sound like gamefaq noobs that couldn't even be bothered to google (as basic as resarch on the topic can get) a few facts before they rage on and on.
That being said, i <3 SC2 and BW 
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On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about .
This goes both ways, it's not like BW players are saints. I'm in IRC chat a decent amount, and a lot of times a SC2 event would be going on and some random BW player would just rage [somewhat understandable since BW is going through a rough patch... and it's entirely possible that the leagues can be shut down] at everyone and make it sound like all the SC2 people is singlehandedly destroying BW by enjoy SC2.
The worse is when some there's a BW and SC2 event on at the same time. chat just degrades down to a BW vs SC2 flame war. this probably happens less on the forums since BW viewers have been on the forums longer and know better (IE doing that will get you banned). IRC is filled with ridiculous trolls and Quakenet has like a 30 person banlist.
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Russian Federation4 Posts
Koreans killed BW around the world, koreans will kill SC2 very soon. Nobody wants to watch korean gosus destroying European or American guys like children, maybe just some crazy fans of RTS. I even don't know what better for Blizzard-koreans, playing SC2 or not)))
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Canada1957 Posts
I think I should stop reading anything past the 1st post for anything Blizz/Kespa related lol.
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On October 30 2010 21:21 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about . Hear hear!
Show me a post in this thread where an sc2 player is hating on Brood War saying that.
All I've ever encountered in these threads are bw hardcores calling GOMTV crap and saying Blizzard should die.
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On October 31 2010 16:19 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 21:21 writer22816 wrote:On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about . Hear hear! Show me a post in this thread where an sc2 player is hating on Brood War saying that. All I've ever encountered in these threads are bw hardcores calling GOMTV crap and saying Blizzard should die.
Exactly my thought... I like Starcraft I, and Starcraft 2. They're both games. One just has more history.
Not the first time I've seen this kind of snowball effect. One person carries the torch, other follow, chaos breaks out. Take a step back.
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On October 31 2010 16:19 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 21:21 writer22816 wrote:On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about . Hear hear! Show me a post in this thread where an sc2 player is hating on Brood War saying that. All I've ever encountered in these threads are bw hardcores calling GOMTV crap and saying Blizzard should die.
There are, and there are many.. I am in a hurry so i cant spend time searching for them but there are many of random comments like "BW should die so we can have SC2 proleague" or similar stuffs.. And mind you, those are posted in BW forums (wtf?).. They posted those in LR threads of some on-going Proleague matches even
I dont read SC2 forums so i have no idea if any one post there and defile ur sacred forums with our ancient stuffs.. I do hope there are few, if not none.
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On October 31 2010 16:19 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 21:21 writer22816 wrote:On October 30 2010 17:52 Sawamura wrote:
Sc2 players will hate broodwar players and want brood war to die it's simple to as that .That's the only reason you will see those poster keep spamming with all their freaking arguments about why sc2 should stomp over bw dominance and call broodwar player elitists . Every thread that has blizzard and kespa in the news you will see this creatures coming out of the depth to bear their fangs with all due respects to their revolutionize game that bear its success from brood war . You have to respect the roots and the precedent that it has been set for many years . You don't see broodwar players flooding the freaking sc2 thread with hatred messages don't you ??? Just leave broodwar alone and go back to your perfect game that you all rage about . Hear hear! Show me a post in this thread where an sc2 player is hating on Brood War saying that. All I've ever encountered in these threads are bw hardcores calling GOMTV crap and saying Blizzard should die.
You've gotta be joking. There are just as many if not more posts where people new to the scene hate on BW.
You musn't be paying attention if you haven't see just as many "die Kespa" style posts.
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On October 30 2010 10:47 toadstool wrote:
Also, some people are saying KESPA has every right to pull out their 'employees' for playing a rival tournament like GSL etc. etc. economics etc.
If you look at Blizzard's side, why would you want to deal with competitors using YOUR OWN PRODUCT to compete against your brand new tournament? Who ignore your IP rights to YOUR OWN GAME that you developed?
It doesn't make sense.
Because KeSPA is not a competitor until Blizzard actually decided it was, and clearly greatly benefited from it over the years. If your fine with YOUR OWN GAME selling 6 million copies in Korea because of publicity generated from leagues you knew about all along, then it's funny to try and turn around and say you never agreed with it.
GOM was of zero benefit in any way to KeSPA and its teams, and like already mentioned they didn't decide to shut it down anyway it was teams decisions right from the start to pull out.
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I think BW sold most of their copies before KeSPA was even born lol
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On November 01 2010 18:40 AyJay wrote:
I think BW sold most of their copies before KeSPA was even born lol
I think you're clearly wrong if you're taking the stance Blizzard hardly benefited from Kespa's activities.
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On November 01 2010 18:44 Rikstah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 18:40 AyJay wrote:
I think BW sold most of their copies before KeSPA was even born lol I think you're clearly wrong if you're taking the stance Blizzard hardly benefited from Kespa's activities.
Just saying that SC/BW was a hit in Korea way before televised matches and creation of KeSPA
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On November 01 2010 18:47 AyJay wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 18:44 Rikstah wrote:On November 01 2010 18:40 AyJay wrote:
I think BW sold most of their copies before KeSPA was even born lol I think you're clearly wrong if you're taking the stance Blizzard hardly benefited from Kespa's activities. Just saying that SC/BW was a hit in Korea way before televised matches and creation of KeSPA
Yeah true the game was a hit. I still think though that BW has lived as long as it did solely because of Kespa's efforts.
Organising the teams, the leagues, making new maps... I dare say Kespa has put just as many years in for BW as blizzard did.
Making the game / keeping the game fresh are different things I know. But damn blizzard should show a bit more appreciation. As it is already stated in fact now that Kespa doesn't make any profit from the pro league, the companies simply wanna sponsor (as a way of advertising).
Whether its legal or not, Blizzard appears to be capitalizing on the E sports scene that kespa built.
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