EPTAnd that's admirable. Unfortunately, it seems like they have failed, or what else do you call a market with such a large following for 10 years and still see red?
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ricerocket
154 Posts
And that's admirable. Unfortunately, it seems like they have failed, or what else do you call a market with such a large following for 10 years and still see red? | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: its understandable that you fear if SC2 can succeed BW,but if it did wouldn't it be nice for E-sports? What I'm trying to say is that you fear the death of BW more than anything and refuse to see the growth of E-sports. We don't know whats going to happen,GOM might want to run a BW tourney and they have every right to. I'd be really happy if Starcraft 2 became a huge success on the merits of being a great game. The problem I have at the moment is that it's only a good game. I play Starcraft 2 more than Brood War these days BUT mostly custom games or team games with friends. I find the units boring and one dimensional. In turn find spectating Starcraft 2 boring. Even boxers games (though slightly more entertaining than others) just aren't that interesting to watch when you've seen the same MMM and Tank micro hundreds of times before and that is pretty much the only depth the game has. In contrast, watching FBH TvT in PL the other day was an absolute treat and I loved every minute of it. I dislike how Blizzard is forcing Starcraft 2 as the only choice. I would much prefer if they said "hey we see the problems with the game, we would like to improve them so it can be the very best game ever". I want Starcraft 2 to be better than Brood War. Edit: Also I think the GSL is a huge step backwards in terms of ESPORTS as a sustainable system. What I think SC2 really needs in terms of ESPORTS is an organised team based league... But really the game just needs to become more interesting for people to watch. Once it is interesting for more people to watch growth will be natural. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:38 vek wrote: I would much prefer if they said "hey we see the problems with the game, we would like to improve them so it can be the very best game ever". ........... i don't even know what to say to you | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:38 vek wrote: I'd be really happy if Starcraft 2 became a huge success on the merits of being a great game. The problem I have at the moment is that it's only a good game. I play Starcraft 2 more than Brood War these days BUT mostly custom games or team games with friends. I find the units boring and one dimensional. In turn find spectating Starcraft 2 boring. Even boxers games (though slightly more entertaining than others) just aren't that interesting to watch when you've seen the same MMM and Tank micro hundreds of times before and that is pretty much the only depth the game has. In contrast, watching FBH TvT in PL the other day was an absolute treat and I loved every minute of it. I dislike how Blizzard is forcing Starcraft 2 as the only choice. I would much prefer if they said "hey we see the problems with the game, we would like to improve them so it can be the very best game ever". I want Starcraft 2 to be better than Brood War. I completely agree with you but I really think that our look at the game right now is too shallow I think SC2 will grow in depth. I have this really retarded theory that Gretech wants to buy out OGN and MBC.Does anyone know if it could actually work/happen? | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
I wonder who or what Blizzard will file a lawsuit in KeSPA. Anyways, if you want to see Korea's IP laws here it is: Korean Copyright IP Laws Copyright is part of IP Law if you don't understand. Have fun! | ||
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professorjoak
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:42 ricerocket wrote: ........... i don't even know what to say to you So the game is flawless? Units like Roaches, Marauders, Collossus etc make for dynamic gameplay? My opinion is that many of the units in SC2 are just plain boring, they need more variety and control options. Positional play needs to be given a bigger emphasis. I don't find the majority of broadcast SC2 matches very interesting at all. If you disagree it helps if you say why rather than make pointless replies. I should have expanded on my original point in that previous post but there you have it. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:44 Pleiades wrote: The problem with Blizzard filing a lawsuit against KeSPA is more due to the fact that there are so many other parties involved in it rather than it being a NPO. You can still file lawsuits against a Non-Profit-Organization like a For-Profit-Organization if there is enough cause for damages and/or violations of laws/civil contracts. I wonder who or what Blizzard will file a lawsuit in KeSPA. Anyways, if you want to see Korea's IP laws here it is: Korean Copyright IP Laws Copyright is part of IP Law if you don't understand. Have fun! dude...they aren't suing KeSPA,but just MBC(hopefully not OGN too) | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:44 BLinD-RawR wrote: I completely agree with you but I really think that our look at the game right now is too shallow I think SC2 will grow in depth. I have this really retarded theory that Gretech wants to buy out OGN and MBC.Does anyone know if it could actually work/happen? I don't think it makes much sense for Gretech to buy out OGN seeing as CJ has stakes in both companys. | ||
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ricerocket
154 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:47 vek wrote: So the game is flawless? Units like Roaches, Marauders, Collossus etc make for dynamic gameplay? My opinion is that many of the units in SC2 are just plain boring, they need more variety and control options. Positional play needs to be given a bigger emphasis. I don't find the majority of broadcast SC2 matches very interesting at all. If you disagree it helps if you say why rather than make pointless replies. I should have expanded on my original point in that previous post but there you have it. .... no, "hey we see the problems with the game, we would like to improve them so it can be the very best game ever"? Dustin Browder basically said that word for word during the multiplayer panel in Blizzcon 2010 and you call yourself a fan >.> | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
That's why they're going after MBC, and maybe OGN, because it's easier to handle those parties. Plus, it's also a good legal tactic. BTW, I am an undergraduate Stanford Law Student going into International Law, specifically WCO and IP law. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On October 28 2010 20:29 ricerocket wrote: Sigh, I realize a lot of gamers are poor, but being poor is no excuse for that pathetic peasant mentality. Making money =/= being evil, and non-profit =/= charity. KeSPA reinvests their earnings back to the community in order to, according to themselves, build up an infrastructure for eSport that can become a profitable business in the future. And that's admirable. Unfortunately, it seems like they have failed, or what else do you call a market with such a large following for 10 years and still see red? You have no idea what you're talking about. KeSPA is a non-profit, an advertising venture, which means they must reinvest any profit into the scene. They don't intend to turn into a profitable business, since they're simply a group of sponsors; when they say they can't make a profit it means that they're running a deficit and thus don't even make a profit that they can reinvest, not that they intend to make a profit in the future. | ||
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
Poll: Which one are you Blizz will kill SCWB (39) Blizz just wants the IP rights recognized and sincerely wants BW scene to live on (14) SCBW must to die so SC2 can succeed in Koera (5) I'm not sure what Blizz wants (0) 58 total votes Your vote: Which one are you (Vote): SCBW must to die so SC2 can succeed in Koera Maybe we can analyze a little bit groups of people here on TL. We can easily devide all the people in two groups. The ones who want SCBW to die so SC2 can become bigger in Korea (which is by all means a valid reason) and the ones who want SCBW to live on. I'm not going to divide the first group any further. The second group can be divided into three additional groups, people who believe Blizz is just protecting their IP rights and sincerely wants the game to live on (and compete for air time and audience with BW), those who are not sure whether Blizz wants to kill SCBW and those who believe this will mean the death of SCBW. Which one are you? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On October 28 2010 22:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: ^ Do not vote in that poll it divides the community only leading to mindless arguments I instantly voted in the poll when I saw it but when I took a closer look I have to second this viewpoint. The poll will probably end up derailing the thread. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On October 28 2010 22:09 Loanshark wrote: I instantly voted in the poll when I saw it but when I took a closer look I have to second this viewpoint. The poll will probably end up derailing the thread. That is one dangerous poll. EDIT: lol SCWB....its SCBW. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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ricerocket
154 Posts
On October 28 2010 21:59 snowdrift wrote: You have no idea what you're talking about. KeSPA is a non-profit, an advertising venture, which means they must reinvest any profit into the scene. They don't intend to turn into a profitable business, since they're simply a group of sponsors; when they say they can't make a profit it means that they're running a deficit and thus don't even make a profit that they can reinvest, not that they intend to make a profit in the future. Please google this phrase: "what is the function of advertisement?" Also, check out the movie called "Quiz Show" and see who made the American TV industry boom in the 1950s. Hint: they started out as a group of non-profit sponsors. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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