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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
Koreans are not pushovers, blizzard did not learn from what happened in china with WoTLK when they thought they could push people around there and the government intervened and hit them with all of these regulations that cost blizzard millions upon millions over the last 1.5 years. Now blizzard is trying to maneuver it's way to monopolize esports in korea with that same greed that fueled them in china, and i think the koreans will show blizzard that as a software dev you need to know your role. I think OGN will lose here because they DID go under contract with gretech, and I think MBC and Kespa will eventually be able to do what they do without being under contract with gretech, it's just going to take some time to get all the legal issues underway and sorted out. What I would like to see are some laws passed that really empower the esports organizations and really taper the rights blizzard has when it comes to their product but only in regards to esports. Yes I know that sounds a bit weird, but keep in mind that blizzard has never given 2 craps about esports, they still don't, they just know that throwing up a prize pool generates a ton of hype and are hoping to cash in on the korean market. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
bring on the glorious legal battle. this is going to be a very interesting end of the year. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:42 hystorm wrote: holy shit this is so bad. the end of bw esports in korea is almost upon us because of fucking douchebags who want some extra change. fuck you kespa, fuck you blizzard. I really believe that the government would side with korean based organizations like MBC and KeSPA who have been around and growing esports for years, and not with a company like blizz who is just coming in trying to cash in on what the proleagues developed on their own. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On September 01 2010 02:28 Lokian wrote: Hate more please. :rolleyes: oh, Blizzard doesn't care about BW. Really? What can they do when they're just going to get boycotted. Great logic there. And now they're trying SC2. Kespa, what the heck happened to 'for the fans' reaction. I don't see Blizzard/Gretech in any wrong. Kespa had too many chances. Isn't it like... Gretech is trying to have Proleague and GSL together. By just changing Kespa's Schedule, wouldn't that fix that? But Kespa won't conform? Seems to me like a temper tantrum. Why the fuck would OGN/MBC change their ProLeague time slots just because Gretech demands them to because they know GSL can't compete with PL? How ridiculous is that? T___T | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:34 robertdinh wrote: Things may be ugly for a while but I think bw will prevail. OGN was not willing to go into a legal battle with blizz/gretech, but I think if kespa did over the right to use BW as an esport and all that that entails then kespa would win. Koreans are not pushovers, blizzard did not learn from what happened in china with WoTLK when they thought they could push people around there and the government intervened and hit them with all of these regulations that cost blizzard millions upon millions over the last 1.5 years. Now blizzard is trying to maneuver it's way to monopolize esports in korea with that same greed that fueled them in china, and i think the koreans will show blizzard that as a software dev you need to know your role. I think OGN will lose here because they DID go under contract with gretech, and I think MBC and Kespa will eventually be able to do what they do without being under contract with gretech, it's just going to take some time to get all the legal issues underway and sorted out. What I would like to see are some laws passed that really empower the esports organizations and really taper the rights blizzard has when it comes to their product but only in regards to esports. Yes I know that sounds a bit weird, but keep in mind that blizzard has never given 2 craps about esports, they still don't, they just know that throwing up a prize pool generates a ton of hype and are hoping to cash in on the korean market. What's that about Blizzard's greed and WoW in China? The only things that happened there were: 1) Blizzard switching their service provider from The9 to NetEase, forcing the game's content to be re-evaluated 2) power struggle between 2 government agencies about which should regulate online games 3) trying to release an expansion about the undead with depictions of the undead being banned in China and subsequently being denied approval for almost 2 years. | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On September 01 2010 03:53 Teddyman wrote: What's that about Blizzard's greed and WoW in China? The only things that happened there were: 1) Blizzard switching their service provider from The9 to NetEase, forcing the game's content to be re-evaluated 2) power struggle between 2 government agencies about which should regulate online games 3) trying to release an expansion about the undead with depictions of the undead being banned in China and subsequently being denied approval for almost 2 years. The reality of it is that if you want things done in china you have to grease the right wheels. Blizzard didn't want to play ball because they thought they had more weight to throw around than they actually did, so the chinese government boned them with a ton of tedious regulations which cost blizzard millions. Being naive is silly... naxxramas was around in vanilla wow, the undead race have been around forever, there is a reason why blizzard was conveniently hit with regulations at the time that they were. It was because the government was sending a message that if blizzard doesn't want to pay or work with the right people, blizzard is going to suffer for it. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On August 31 2010 23:49 Killmour wrote: I love how Kespa tries to say it cares about E-sports, what a colossal joke, even a total idiot can see through their bullshit. hmm...you know, the KOREAN E-SPORTS PLAYERS ASSOCIATON probably cares quite a bit about E-sports since...you know, that's why Kespa exists in the first place. On August 31 2010 23:49 Killmour wrote: I love how Activision-Blizzard tries to say it cares about E-sports, what a colossal joke, even a total idiot can see through their bullshit. fixed | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
It would be awesome to see Jaedong and Flash in SC2 though. Bring on the holocaust I say! | ||
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
<_< >_> User was warned for this post | ||
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:00 robertdinh wrote: The reality of it is that if you want things done in china you have to grease the right wheels. Blizzard didn't want to play ball because they thought they had more weight to throw around than they actually did, so the chinese government boned them with a ton of tedious regulations which cost blizzard millions. Being naive is silly... naxxramas was around in vanilla wow, the undead race have been around forever, there is a reason why blizzard was conveniently hit with regulations at the time that they were. It was because the government was sending a message that if blizzard doesn't want to pay or work with the right people, blizzard is going to suffer for it. Ok I get the "not wanting to pay the semi-official bribes = greed" part, now how does this relate to their dealings in a non-communist, non-totalitarian country? | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:19 swanized wrote: it's fun to note most of the people siding with bliz have under 100 posts <_< >_> funny how some people feel superior to others? man this thread starts to like MSL/OSL final live threads -,-' | ||
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Ruthless
United States492 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
Let's be honest, BW will eventually die, particularly as SC2 becomes better as is guaranteed by continued patching and 2 expansions to come. I would say Pro BW has about 5 years left. If you're Blizzard, why do you care what happens to BW? Players and attention will eventually migrate towards SC2 anyway, why just piss people off? Kespa made soup from a stone, and now that it's a success Blizzard insists on butting it? I don't like it, seems greedy. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:20 Teddyman wrote: Ok I get the "not wanting to pay the semi-official bribes = greed" part, now how does this relate to their dealings in a non-communist, non-totalitarian country? Please don't misconstrue what I say. Be more objective than that... The point is that blizzard tried to assert their "power" in china, it failed miserably. Now they are trying to assert their power in korea, and I don't think the korean government is going to roll over and let them have their way. It is just going to take time to work through all the legal issues and draw a new line. | ||
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Zeridian
United States198 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:19 swanized wrote: it's fun to note most of the people siding with bliz have under 100 posts <_< >_> good to know you're keeping tally, and are elitest enough to care about post count | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
I can understand why Gretech is playing hardball with KeSPA though considering they boycotted the past GomTV Classic. | ||
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
On September 01 2010 04:38 FabledIntegral wrote: Wait, I don't get it. If the proleague is nonprofit then why would they have to pay Gretech anything? I must not be getting the full picture. I can understand why Gretech is playing hardball with KeSPA though considering they boycotted the past GomTV Classic. Kespa cannot hide behind the fact that they do not make a profit as long as Gretech holds the rights to stacraft. Think of it like bootlegging a video game. The person ripping it and uploading it to a torrent site isn't making money, but it is still detrimental to the sales of that game. Thats why its still illegal. | ||
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