EPTSc2 and blizz are trying to forcibly take SCBW out- screw them. If anyone tries to defend blizz now... after promise after promise of e-sport proliferation.... i will never buy another one of their products again. They are acting like a spoiled child, and it's disgusting.
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
Sc2 and blizz are trying to forcibly take SCBW out- screw them. If anyone tries to defend blizz now... after promise after promise of e-sport proliferation.... i will never buy another one of their products again. They are acting like a spoiled child, and it's disgusting. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
gretech states that they are getting no monetary compensation for the operation of proleague, but kespa says they've agreed to pay a usage fee for the IP. so who's telling the truth? | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
looks like the little stunt kespa pulled off for the gomtv classic finally bit them back right in the ass | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On September 01 2010 00:08 Antoine wrote: it's confusing to tell as to who's in the wrong here, until a contradiction is cleared up. gretech states that they are getting no monetary compensation for the operation of proleague, but kespa says they've agreed to pay a usage fee for the IP. so who's telling the truth? i think the would agree to pay as long as they wont be needing to promot sc2 or Gom | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Killmour
United States105 Posts
Money makes the world go round, E-sports will never become big unless there is money involved, don't be so naive. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51629 Posts
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
On August 31 2010 23:57 Milkis wrote: kespa is nonprofit. Kespa is probably saying "fuck you" to sc2 cause they have emotional issues against Blizzard. Right Read again these words KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". So, KesPa declare they are a non-profit organization (lies), and they are committed into esports development blah blah blah, so, they deny esports develop to a new game. Clearly they are getting into contradiction after that declaration Bastards, they only work when they are in control of the situation and the money. When they arent, like in this point, of course they deny whats their mission as organization | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On September 01 2010 00:21 Killmour wrote: Money makes the world go round, E-sports will never become big unless there is money involved, don't be so naive. BW already has money involved. Just not for Blizzard. E-sports will never become big unless it has a popular fanbase and is accepted as a cultural norm. Aside from Korea, there's none of that happening anytime soon. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On September 01 2010 00:29 pR0gR4m3R wrote: KeSPA has revealed that "Because we have decided to pay a usage fee for the Intellectual property for the Proleague, we have no reason to promote Starcraft 2 or help GomTV. If Gretech is like this, then there isn't any more point of negotiations". So, KesPa declare they are a non-profit organization (lies), and they are committed into esports development blah blah blah, so, they deny esports develop to a new game. Clearly they are getting into contradiction after that declaration Bastards, they only work when they are in control of the situation and the money. When they arent, like in this point, of course they deny whats their mission as organization Sorry, from where in the hell you conclude that Kespa is denying the development of a new game in e-sports?, Gretech is in charge of SC2 "e-sports" in Korea, and Kespa is not taking hostages in GOMTV studios or something like that, and as a bussines man how could you agree with paying IP rights for a bussines-game-model that Blizz didnt care until 2007 and besides promoting a direct rival game??, tell me if you are a distribuitor of Coke (You pay rights) you are going to help the marketing campaign of Pepsi?, seriously... | ||
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Vxed
Norway239 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5876 Posts
On August 31 2010 23:53 Killmour wrote: Exactly, Kespa's attitude of our way or we will have a temper tantrum and disband the pro-league is just stupid. GET A CLUE. If Gretech forces KeSPA to shut down Proleague, there's no reason for any progaming teams to operate. Why on earth would they keep sustaining them? This is not charity... ProLeague is THE marketing tool those corporate sponsors as far as esports go. It's ridiculous how Gretech feels threatened by ProLeague because they're (KeSPA) are using a superior spectator game, with superior infrastructure and organization. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
And it would also be awkward if no contract was signed and Gretech didn't take legal action to assert its rights. The only way for all parties (connected with CJ) to continue regular operations (and perhaps save face?!?) would be for a contract to be signed. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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dyodyo
Philippines578 Posts
On September 01 2010 00:37 maybenexttime wrote: GET A CLUE. If Gretech forces KeSPA to shut down Proleague, there's no reason for any progaming teams to operate. Why on earth would they keep sustaining them? This is not charity... ProLeague is THE marketing tool those corporate sponsors as far as esports go. It's ridiculous how Gretech feels threatened by ProLeague because they're (KeSPA) are using a superior spectator game, with superior infrastructure and organization. I dont think that they are being threatened by a "superior spectator game". They are just afraid that KeSPA would again force the teams and its players to boycott a Gretech run league, just like what KeSPA did with the GSL. | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
The money in sc2 only goes to top tournament placers, the money in BW goes to every single person with a contract with a proleague team. Sure, tourney winners get some nice bonus's, but even players like Hyuk get paid. Put yourself in the shoes of a top level pro-gamer like flash. As someone whose making a ton of money in SCBW currently, why would you switch to a game where you will only be able to make as much money if you are consistently winning tournaments. Now put yourself in the shoes of a decent pro-gamer, like Violet. You're making a steady income playing SCBW, and while your mechanics are likely far better than the average sc2 player, the odds of you being able to become one of the best players in the world is slim. Again, why would you switch from steady, predictable income to a slim chance at making a lot more. There's a reason why the only Korean pro's switching are either old or bad, because for those who still play BW well and still have contracts to do so BW is a safer source of income. Without this bullshit interference by Blizzard, sc2 would only have taken over if it became more popular for spectators, which it clearly isn't. Bizz is trying to kill proleauge because it's the backbone of the competitive BW scene. The salaries from PL are what keep players playing BW even when they aren't winning tournaments, and are what ensures there's a large enough pool of good players that the game can develop and grow. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5876 Posts
On September 01 2010 00:49 dyodyo wrote: I dont think that they are being threatened by a "superior spectator game". They are just afraid that KeSPA would again force the teams and its players to boycott a Gretech run league, just like what KeSPA did with the GSL. KeSPA players are already NOT participating. GSL is a StarCraft TWO league. KeSPA teams are BROOD WAR teams, with BROOD WAR players. Does Gretech fear that KeSPA will forbid those very BROOD WAR players from playing in a StarCraft TWO competition? It's explicitly said in the OP that Gretech's worried that ProLeague may damage GSL. Read before you post. | ||
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
This is really getting more absurd.. in fact, i dont see why SC:BW will affect SC2 that much, and especially so that players will more likely to move from SC:BW to SC2, rather than the opposite.. Com'on | ||
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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