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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 31 2010 17:11 GMT
#61
zzz dont fuck with PL please.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
August 31 2010 17:12 GMT
#62
On September 01 2010 02:06 gillon wrote:
And then the thread was derailed into a SC2 vs BW dickcomparing thread. Goddamnit, this is getting so old. Keep it relevant?


took the words right out of my mouth

for all i care KESPA, Blizzard, Gretech and everyone else involved can go fuck themself until they find a solution
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hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
August 31 2010 17:13 GMT
#63
I don't think Gretech is determined to shut down any existing leagues or even the whole BW pro scene. Actually I find it pretty reasonable that they want to place SC2 ads/promotion at the very place where the people interested in SCBW/competitive RTS/eSport look at - the gaming channels.

The whole situation is way too complicated by now. Kespa could have talked to Blizzard in some way in the first place, Blizzard could have supported Kespa more before SC2 was on the radar, Kespa could have recognized Blizzards rights during the negotiations, Blizzard could have left out SC2 promotions in the broadcasting contracts.. blabla etc., a lot of stubbornness on both sides if you ask me.
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Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
August 31 2010 17:19 GMT
#64
On September 01 2010 00:03 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 23:49 Killmour wrote:
I love how Blizzard tries to say it cares about E-sports, what a colossal joke, even a total idiot can see through their bullshit.


Fixed with my bias.


Well your bias is the truth.

Blizzard says "we care about esport" because they believe it soothes us and that we will throw more money at them.

What Blizzard could do is actually care about esport and count the money when ten million Koreans buy the game. But they don't and they need to be economically punished for it. They are taking a big shit on their fans. I hate them so fucking much =(
I
Clipped
Profile Joined August 2010
France122 Posts
August 31 2010 17:25 GMT
#65
On September 01 2010 02:19 Gigaudas wrote:
What Blizzard could do is actually care about esport and count the money when ten million Koreans buy the game. But they don't and they need to be economically punished for it. They are taking a big shit on their fans. I hate them so fucking much =(
What 10 million are you talking about ?
Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:35:24
August 31 2010 17:28 GMT
#66
Hate more please. :rolleyes:

oh, Blizzard doesn't care about BW. Really? What can they do when they're just going to get boycotted.

Great logic there.

And now they're trying SC2. Kespa, what the heck happened to 'for the fans' reaction. I don't see Blizzard/Gretech in any wrong. Kespa had too many chances.

Isn't it like... Gretech is trying to have Proleague and GSL together. By just changing Kespa's Schedule, wouldn't that fix that? But Kespa won't conform? Seems to me like a temper tantrum.
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TheMute
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
August 31 2010 17:31 GMT
#67
Oh shit. There better be a 10~11 Prolague season.
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wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:39:49
August 31 2010 17:35 GMT
#68
On September 01 2010 02:31 TheMute wrote:
Oh shit. There better be a 10~11 Prolague season.

According to a headlinge from another fomos article (linked in the other thread ) it goes on for now?
Suffice to say, 10-11 Proleague season goes on... for now.
Well i guess thats the one Milkis translated in the OP too
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50718 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:42:01
August 31 2010 17:41 GMT
#69
From what they say we will have proleauge during this negotiation period but if worse comes to worst then they would have to end it before the season ends.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 17:51:26
August 31 2010 17:41 GMT
#70
Holy shit if GOM blocks MSL/OSL/PL, there will be the biggest shitstorm ever. Moving forward with e-Sports my ass GOM, fuck you ugh.
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 31 2010 17:57 GMT
#71
Gretech doesnt try to kill BW.They can just not give a fuck about negotiation, but they choose to sit down and talk.
KeSPA is fighting an already-lost battle when their weapon becomes enemy's .OGN is done, MBC is done (seems to be), only KeSPA is bitching with their so much hate for SC2. It's Kespa who started the war by boycotting Classic, not to mention they started the pay-for-IP-right thingy with OGN/MBC as well iirc. What goes around comes back exactly around lol.
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
August 31 2010 17:59 GMT
#72
It's a real shame because KESPA had a great infrastructure for fans, and that's why it was so successful.

E-sports in Korea is going downhill from here...
Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
August 31 2010 18:03 GMT
#73
This is extremely frustrating, but that's how it goes sometimes. Nothing too surprising here.
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
August 31 2010 18:04 GMT
#74
To me it seems like Gretech is comfortable with professional BW and SC2 coexisting, while Kespa is not. It boils down to that. If Kespa cared about e-sports in Korea they would make the concessions necessary to make this happen, because it seems to me like it's a legal inevitability that changes have to be made on their end.

ATOBTTR
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1437 Posts
August 31 2010 18:07 GMT
#75
What the hell is wrong with kespa.

They have a choice of actually practicing what they preach and supporting esports, or disbanding. So of course they make threats of disbanding instead?

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 31 2010 18:11 GMT
#76
Just give us the court date already. Many of us knew it would come to this.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
August 31 2010 18:11 GMT
#77
I am saddened, as much as I dislike Kespa's handling of certain things. I love the proleague and I want it to stay with BW, but I'm really looking forward to the GSL. I hope they can come to an agreement with kespa promoting SC2 and the GSL without any monetary payment to Gretech, and also keeping the proleague, and starleagues in different time schedules so the viewer can watch everything.
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
August 31 2010 18:16 GMT
#78
Gretech can't stop proleague from starting, they will lose their reputation if they stop it.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 31 2010 18:20 GMT
#79
On September 01 2010 01:02 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 23:57 Milkis wrote:
On August 31 2010 23:53 Nesto wrote:
what the hell...

Gretech... you think GSL would survive if you forcibly stop the proleague and force the disbanding of the proleague teams? imagine the outrage..

and for Kespa... simply fuck off... it just seems they only care about the money they make with SCBW and want to make sure, that they don't have any competition from GSL / SC2...


kespa is nonprofit. Kespa is probably saying "fuck you" to sc2 cause they have emotional issues against Blizzard.



People are still forgetting the last 'intellectual rights negociations' kespa got involved in. Remember when they demanded MBCGame and OnGameNet had to pay them money to broadcast proleague?

They're a bunch of fucking hypocrits denying any form of intellectual rights payment.

You could argue that Kespa is non-profit, that they dont earn anything off organizing proleague, and that if anyone should pay for proleague rights it's MBCGame and OGN, but Kespa has used its position as official proleague organizer to demand intellectual rights payments from MBCGame and OGN earlier, so they should step up to the plate now too.


more people need to see this, so just quoting again. i nearly forgot about this fact too. sigh i don't even know who to support -_-

just don't want bw to die
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QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
August 31 2010 18:23 GMT
#80
God dammit. I just want to watch some proleague
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