EPTMaybe SC2 should have never came out.
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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aru
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On September 03 2010 04:46 Furycrab wrote: 2007 was when the talks for SC2 started. BW talks were pretty much at a stalemate because the Korean government in Blizzard vs Kespa over SC1 judged that Kespa should have the same considerations as an organisational body like the FIFA is for another certain sport and thus all decisions should go through them. You can argue and say that they pretty much gave up on Starcraft, but it's a safe bet when you get the Government involved to resolve a dispute, there are no bridges or even pieces left over to be fixed. So they went with a competitor that was willing to work with them. GOM is certainly not pulling punches now that Kespa has lost network and sponsor support, but seeing the present history of these two bodies... it's not exactly surprising. I'm not really sure where you're getting all this info from but most of this is more tinfoil hat material than what MaYuu said. If I'm wrong about it, please provide links citing government intervention. According to Mike Morhaime (you can read his letter here), 2007 was the year they got "actively" involved in the Korean Starcraft e-sports scene. The announcement about SC2 took place a few months after the broadcasting scandal. | ||
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D4L[invd]
Canada110 Posts
On September 03 2010 03:26 trevabob wrote: I totally empathise with Gretech there. I mean, if Proleague was on, would you skip it to watch former pros and foreigners flail around in SC2? However it is most definately bullshit, kespa ain't perfect but they're certainly better than this fucking actizardgretechgom orgy of crap... But I don't understand, why aren't we allowed to watch what's best... If proleague is better than SC2, then we should be able to watch it and not have to stand up with the SC2 crap. I mean, look at tv schedules, tons of TV programs overlap at the same time and obviously, you'd only watch one of them but the other TV programs wouldn't be bitching about it and trying to take out the other guy. I'm just saying, the proleague conflicting GSL scheduling is pretty much crap.. The viewer is allowed to watch w/e they want and besides, even if they weren't overlapping, most of the koreans probably still wouldn't watch GSL.. After all, it is just a bunch of former pros and foreigners flailing around in sc2 | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
BW talks were pretty much at a stalemate because the Korean government in Blizzard vs Kespa over SC1 judged that Kespa should have the same considerations as an organisational body like the FIFA is for another certain sport and thus all decisions should go through them. Sounds more like Kespa won than a stalemate. | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
How reliable is it? Well it's the internet, make your own conclusions. However most of it makes sense. (the Korean government implication was taken from a gosugamer article and they were citing a TL contributor you could likely find it very easily) Sounds more like Kespa won than a stalemate. Before SC2 I'd guess they would have nothing to gain going after an organisation in another country, that had gotten very very good at hiding it's profits. The fact that they are listing themselves as non-profit should raise a few flags. | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
The fact that they are listing themselves as non-profit should raise a few flags. A non-profit organization is an organization that does not distribute its surplus funds to owners or shareholders, but instead uses them to help pursue its goals. I'm not going to claim I understand Kespa or the proleague business model. But if they maintain the sanction of the South Korean government, then gretech isn't likely to get what it wants. | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
On September 01 2010 01:02 RaGe wrote: People are still forgetting the last 'intellectual rights negociations' kespa got involved in. Remember when they demanded MBCGame and OnGameNet had to pay them money to broadcast proleague? They're a bunch of fucking hypocrits denying any form of intellectual rights payment. You could argue that Kespa is non-profit, that they dont earn anything off organizing proleague, and that if anyone should pay for proleague rights it's MBCGame and OGN, but Kespa has used its position as official proleague organizer to demand intellectual rights payments from MBCGame and OGN earlier, so they should step up to the plate now too. They already said they would pay as longa s they don't have to promote SC2... Also... A non-profit organization is an organization that does not distribute its surplus funds to owners or shareholders, but instead uses them to help pursue its goals. | ||
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Zonel
United States100 Posts
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Metalwing
Turkey1038 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 03 2010 04:13 Furycrab wrote: If you can findout when Kespa started charging ticket for live Starcraft events, it's around that time. Pretty sure it's way before 2007 or the Sc2 announcement. ... the only time they've charged for ticket was for the 1,07 patch final between grr and boxer which had the lowest attendance of any event. They've never charged since. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:01 bearbuddy wrote: How's KeSPA a non-profit org. when they're a conglomerate of big businesses in this for the advertisement? Unless I understood something terribly wrong. Yes you have understood something wrong. Non-Profit does not mean that an organization can not exchange their services for money. It means that they need to reinvest all their profit back into the company. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On September 06 2010 03:27 hacpee wrote: Yes you have understood something wrong. Non-Profit does not mean that an organization can not exchange their services for money. It means that they need to reinvest all their profit back into the company. Ah. It just seems so strange to me that a self-serving entity would be considered non-profit and be exempt from laws simply because they allocate their resources elsewhere. | ||
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mimikami
France77 Posts
On September 06 2010 04:42 bearbuddy wrote: Ah. It just seems so strange to me that a self-serving entity would be considered non-profit and be exempt from laws simply because they allocate their resources elsewhere. Sir, you should read this : "A non-profit organization (abbreviated as NPO, also known as a not-for-profit organization[1]) is an organization that does not distribute its surplus funds to owners or shareholders, but instead uses them to help pursue its goals.[2] Examples of NPOs include charities (i.e. charitable organizations), trade unions, and public arts organizations. Most governments and government agencies meet this definition, but in most countries they are considered a separate type of organization and not counted as NPOs. They are in most countries exempt from income and property taxation." Source : wikipedia That means they use all profit for the development of Proleague, which is just not a bad cause. Obviously the money they were willing to pay Blizzard for "intellectual rights" comes from this profit. | ||
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