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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
August 31 2010 16:00 GMT
#41
On September 01 2010 00:41 Rekrul wrote:
lolllll i love this stuff

This thread is now officially marked for death.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5836 Posts
August 31 2010 16:01 GMT
#42
KeSPA should just lobby in the Korean government to get WoW shut down in Korea.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
August 31 2010 16:02 GMT
#43
On August 31 2010 23:57 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 23:53 Nesto wrote:
what the hell...

Gretech... you think GSL would survive if you forcibly stop the proleague and force the disbanding of the proleague teams? imagine the outrage..

and for Kespa... simply fuck off... it just seems they only care about the money they make with SCBW and want to make sure, that they don't have any competition from GSL / SC2...


kespa is nonprofit. Kespa is probably saying "fuck you" to sc2 cause they have emotional issues against Blizzard.



People are still forgetting the last 'intellectual rights negociations' kespa got involved in. Remember when they demanded MBCGame and OnGameNet had to pay them money to broadcast proleague?

They're a bunch of fucking hypocrits denying any form of intellectual rights payment.

You could argue that Kespa is non-profit, that they dont earn anything off organizing proleague, and that if anyone should pay for proleague rights it's MBCGame and OGN, but Kespa has used its position as official proleague organizer to demand intellectual rights payments from MBCGame and OGN earlier, so they should step up to the plate now too.
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wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
August 31 2010 16:05 GMT
#44
Sure both Blizzard and Kespa suck, but im going with the lesser evil..
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3135 Posts
August 31 2010 16:08 GMT
#45
KeSPA players are already NOT participating. GSL is a StarCraft TWO league. KeSPA teams are BROOD WAR teams, with BROOD WAR players. Does Gretech fear that KeSPA will forbid those very BROOD WAR players from playing in a StarCraft TWO competition?

It's explicitly said in the OP that Gretech's worried that ProLeague may damage GSL. Read before you post.


And...the reason why no Kespa players are participating is because Kespa has banned any currently licensed progamers from playing SC2. People like Artosis, Idra, etc have discussed this.

I can't believe the big corporate sponsors behind the pro-teams would allow this to happen, though. After all, aren't THEY supposedly the people pulling the strings behind Kespa anyway? I can't believe they don't they see the potential for profit in both BW AND SC2...
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
August 31 2010 16:10 GMT
#46
At minimum it is not completely trainwreck in that OSL, to my understanding, will be intact, but yeah- Blood War scene will never be same again without MSL and PL. I just really wish they would come to reasonable agreement about this, but considering the both organizations under issue I really don't see it happening.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 31 2010 16:11 GMT
#47
:-/
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5836 Posts
August 31 2010 16:13 GMT
#48
On September 01 2010 01:08 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
KeSPA players are already NOT participating. GSL is a StarCraft TWO league. KeSPA teams are BROOD WAR teams, with BROOD WAR players. Does Gretech fear that KeSPA will forbid those very BROOD WAR players from playing in a StarCraft TWO competition?

It's explicitly said in the OP that Gretech's worried that ProLeague may damage GSL. Read before you post.


And...the reason why no Kespa players are participating is because Kespa has banned any currently licensed progamers from playing SC2. People like Artosis, Idra, etc have discussed this.

I can't believe the big corporate sponsors behind the pro-teams would allow this to happen, though. After all, aren't THEY supposedly the people pulling the strings behind Kespa anyway? I can't believe they don't they see the potential for profit in both BW AND SC2...


They are paying millions of dollars to sustain those team. They have every right to forbid their players from participating in SC2 competitions (especially considering the whole situation with Blizzard/Gretech). What stops those progamers who do want to play in SC2 tournaments from finding another job and playing in GSL or such?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
August 31 2010 16:15 GMT
#49
On September 01 2010 01:08 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
KeSPA players are already NOT participating. GSL is a StarCraft TWO league. KeSPA teams are BROOD WAR teams, with BROOD WAR players. Does Gretech fear that KeSPA will forbid those very BROOD WAR players from playing in a StarCraft TWO competition?

It's explicitly said in the OP that Gretech's worried that ProLeague may damage GSL. Read before you post.


And...the reason why no Kespa players are participating is because Kespa has banned any currently licensed progamers from playing SC2. People like Artosis, Idra, etc have discussed this.

I can't believe the big corporate sponsors behind the pro-teams would allow this to happen, though. After all, aren't THEY supposedly the people pulling the strings behind Kespa anyway? I can't believe they don't they see the potential for profit in both BW AND SC2...


Why would Brood War teams want people playing SC2? They are free to create seperate teams if they want, but why would you have people playing a different game in their BW teams.. players that cannot contribute to the team at all in practice or BW leagues.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 31 2010 16:24 GMT
#50
Feels like Kespa is trying to negotiate from an indefensible position. Gretech now owns SC, they can't continue trying to operate their teams/leagues to opposing ends than Gretech's, it's just going to end poorly for them. For instance keeping SC1 players from playing SC2. Gom wants to promote SC2 and Kespa is essentially working against that.

They fucked over Gom in the past, it's funny watching them try to play the victim in this scenario. They need to start cooperating with the intent to broadcast and promote both games equally or it's going to end very poorly for them, and us as fans of BW
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 31 2010 16:25 GMT
#51
Just leave BW alone. You have your shiny SC2 which you try to force on everyone. I for one don't give a slightest shit about GSL. Even if there was no proleague it wouldn't change. Stop fucking forcing SC2 on everyone. If it grows into e-sport it will happen naturally and not by Blizzard and Gretech shoving it into people throats...

I really hope they will close the negotiations and proleague will continue.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51084 Posts
August 31 2010 16:26 GMT
#52
On September 01 2010 01:05 wiesel wrote:
Sure both Blizzard and Kespa suck, but im going with the lesser evil..


and who would that be exactly
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palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
August 31 2010 16:27 GMT
#53
On September 01 2010 01:08 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
KeSPA players are already NOT participating. GSL is a StarCraft TWO league. KeSPA teams are BROOD WAR teams, with BROOD WAR players. Does Gretech fear that KeSPA will forbid those very BROOD WAR players from playing in a StarCraft TWO competition?

It's explicitly said in the OP that Gretech's worried that ProLeague may damage GSL. Read before you post.


And...the reason why no Kespa players are participating is because Kespa has banned any currently licensed progamers from playing SC2. People like Artosis, Idra, etc have discussed this.

I can't believe the big corporate sponsors behind the pro-teams would allow this to happen, though. After all, aren't THEY supposedly the people pulling the strings behind Kespa anyway? I can't believe they don't they see the potential for profit in both BW AND SC2...


You really think that those huge corporate sponsors with their marketing gurus know nothing about future profits?, let me laugh, right now you need SC2 being succesful in spectator terms, and fyi even people who plays the game say that is fucking boring to watch, how can you know it is going to be apealling to the casual, massive audience? it is very uncertain. BW is a tested product that right now bring real profits (marketing) to the sponsors.
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 16:51:28
August 31 2010 16:30 GMT
#54
On September 01 2010 01:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 01:05 wiesel wrote:
Sure both Blizzard and Kespa suck, but im going with the lesser evil..


and who would that be exactly

The one who provides me with MSL, OSL and proleague of course..
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
August 31 2010 16:50 GMT
#55
looks like gretech is just trying to kill SC1 to make room for their SC2 bandwagon. I can't blame them for wanting to kick Kespa's face in over this though, seeing as Kespa essentially cost them millions when they boycotted the gomtv starleagues. Now that the ball's in the other court kespa is running scared and threatening to disband proteams, which nobody wants (I hope)

I really hope somebody comes to their senses and we can have SC1 and SC2 both broadcast at the same time...
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
August 31 2010 16:58 GMT
#56
Fuck you Gretech !!! *cough* Blizzard *cough*

Seriosly if they kill of BW proleague I will NEVER ever buy SC2 or any Blizzard product even if SC2 somehow becomes even better than BW I will never forigve that act of greedness.

Just when i was thinking of buying SC2 in the near future this happens well thanks Blizzard for saving me 60$ and possibly 180$ .
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 31 2010 17:04 GMT
#57
On September 01 2010 01:58 SkelA wrote:
Fuck you Gretech !!! *cough* Blizzard *cough*

Seriosly if they kill of BW proleague I will NEVER ever buy SC2 or any Blizzard product even if SC2 somehow becomes even better than BW I will never forigve that act of greedness.

Just when i was thinking of buying SC2 in the near future this happens well thanks Blizzard for saving me 60$ and possibly 180$ .


Pointless threat really.
Honestly this is just drama, the game is Blizzard's intellectual property and if Gretech is responsible for it then proleague will be shut down since they are illegally broadcasting it.
This is still really fucked up. Just pay some money, how can proleague be operating without profits. it makes no sense to me.
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gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
August 31 2010 17:06 GMT
#58
And then the thread was derailed into a SC2 vs BW dickcomparing thread. Goddamnit, this is getting so old. Keep it relevant?
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
August 31 2010 17:08 GMT
#59
I swear, If proleague gets canceled and the progame teams get disbanded because of Gretch, I will boycott SC2.
I mean I don't like KeSPA that much to begin with, but come on! Even they deserve a little breathing room...
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 31 2010 17:09 GMT
#60
Disband all pro teams?

WHAT?

ARE THEY SERIOUS? FFFFFFFFFF
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