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On September 02 2010 04:46 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:24 dybydx wrote:
@lololol
if ur talking about history, then kespa definitely did more to promote e-sport than blizz. kespa ran 3 leagues 52 weeks a year. blizzard runs what... Blizzcon Invitational.
blizz is a for-profit company. they are not promoting SC/SC2 out of goodness of their heart. they do it for money. kespa on the other hand is a non-profit org established by the Ministry of Culture. they also promote 22 other titles and arrange televised matches for the other games too.
if anything, the benefit of the doubt should go to kespa and the Ministry of Culture. .... They were approved by the Ministry of Culture not established by them. Look this is black and white. Blizzard apparently has visions of how e-sports should be and they want to guide e-sport to that. To do that they need control and moderation of people promoting e-sport which is Kespa. Kespa likes their monopoly on Korean e-sport and doesn't like to be controlled or competed against, so they play their power and influence card. Blizzard goes to their competitor GOMTV who is willing to be moderated by blizzard. I mean who wouldn't? You control the Starcraft franchise, you basically control pro-gaming industry in Korea.
So care to explain me their "vision". From the tidbits we are getting I can see that if they have indeed a "vision" that "vision" sucks... Big time. Just look at the way they made Battle.Net, how they claim to have right on everything etc. Did they even tried to establish pro-team? Pay players regular salary so they can devote their life to play their beloved games..
Even worse, that we can watch BW for free, they want to charge fans for watching vods and streams. All I can see is a greedy company which tries to milk fans as much as possible. They are on the way to ruin SC:BW but they don't understand that actually if they do that they will shoot themselves in a foot in the long run.
The truth is just simple. BW grew into e-sport unexpectedly and it was fans who loved the game that made it possible. How I see the situation right now is the following:
A few greedy assholes trying to maximize their short-run profits by shoving their new shiny game into my throat. At the same time they don't care about the long-term future of the game. All they want is to ride the fact that the game is new and make more money. They realize that it is possible to get some extra money not only from selling copies of their game but also from "e-sports" and they are trying to do that without having a clue what it takes to establish a proper professional scene.
My feelings on the case. Blizzard definitely is losing its image quickly in my eyes.
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@lololol,
kespa actually has a very valid point regarding blizz's ip claims - they can not enforce it. and the "communal property" is in fact something in the proposed legislation in Korea. and if the court found SC to be "communal property", which it very much likely is, then blizz's is totally screwed. btw, "communal property" does not mean the work has no copyright. it only means playing/broacasting the game will not violate copyright of the content creator.
GOM meeting demands of blizz is different than kespa meeting blizz. GOM is acting as a reseller, a middle man, who will negotiate on behalf of blizz. GOM does not help players get paid contracts like kespa did.
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By nature of "public announcements" etc. the last party to speak tends to look better because they'll always frame things in a manner that's sympathetic to their side, and when the sides detest each other often while painting the other side as evil. People jumping on either camel's back are probably going in arms over a supremely biased PR move :/
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On September 02 2010 04:57 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:46 FishForThought wrote:
Look this is black and white. Blizzard apparently has visions of how e-sports should be and they want to guide e-sport to that. To do that they need control and moderation of people promoting e-sport which is Kespa. Kespa likes their monopoly on Korean e-sport and doesn't like to be controlled or competed against, so they play their power and influence card. Blizzard goes to their competitor GOMTV who is willing to be moderated by blizzard. I mean who wouldn't? You control the Starcraft franchise, you basically control pro-gaming industry in Korea.
i disagree. blizz made SC2, that is a fact. but blizz is not owner of e-sport, not even owner of pro-SC2 gaming. blizz wants to monopolize how their game can or can not be played. such actions has been struck down in the US court. kespa on the other hand, truly promotes e-sport. not just SC:BW. they promote the entire e-sport industry. kespa at least cared enuf to have the players paid. blizz doesnt.
Kespa doesn't really promote e-sport.. if they did, they wouldn't have banned their players from playing GOMTV Classic. Pro-gaming and e-sport is two entirely different thing. Promoting e-sport is to promote people to come out and play at all sorts of events. Its like telling people to join chess clubs or a local badminton team. Promoting pro-gaming is showing how professional plays.
Kespa promotes pro-gaming but discourages e-sport.
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On September 02 2010 05:16 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:57 dybydx wrote:On September 02 2010 04:46 FishForThought wrote:
Look this is black and white. Blizzard apparently has visions of how e-sports should be and they want to guide e-sport to that. To do that they need control and moderation of people promoting e-sport which is Kespa. Kespa likes their monopoly on Korean e-sport and doesn't like to be controlled or competed against, so they play their power and influence card. Blizzard goes to their competitor GOMTV who is willing to be moderated by blizzard. I mean who wouldn't? You control the Starcraft franchise, you basically control pro-gaming industry in Korea.
i disagree. blizz made SC2, that is a fact. but blizz is not owner of e-sport, not even owner of pro-SC2 gaming. blizz wants to monopolize how their game can or can not be played. such actions has been struck down in the US court. kespa on the other hand, truly promotes e-sport. not just SC:BW. they promote the entire e-sport industry. kespa at least cared enuf to have the players paid. blizz doesnt. Kespa doesn't really promote e-sport.. if they did, they wouldn't have banned their players from playing GOMTV Classic. Pro-gaming and e-sport is two entirely different thing. Promoting e-sport is to promote people to come out and play at all sorts of events. Its like telling people to join chess clubs or a local badminton team. Promoting pro-gaming is showing how professional plays. Kespa promotes pro-gaming but discourages e-sport.
You have no clue what you're talking about. E-sport is pro-gaming. It is like saying FIFA is only promoting professional football teams and its hurt amatuer players... People pick up a game when they see how their idols do "crazy" things in game. Like Ronaldo, Messi etc in football or Flash, Jaedong in SC:BW. If I want to watch e-sport I want to watch it at the highest possible level.
Just watch a game of Flash or Jaedong and then go watch a vod of o top foreigner in SC:BW. The difference is sooo huge it sometimes just hurts watching it...
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On September 02 2010 05:00 lololol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:50 Milkis wrote:On September 02 2010 04:15 lololol wrote:On September 02 2010 04:01 Milkis wrote:On September 02 2010 03:35 lololol wrote:On September 01 2010 22:23 Milkis wrote:On September 01 2010 20:43 lololol wrote:
Selling intellectual property rights to OGN and MBC, when they do not own and have never owned the rights to Starcraft, and even not aknowledging Blizzard has the rights to Starcraft at all during 3 years of negotiations. They boycotted GOM... yeah, that surely shows they care for e-sports, right?
And this is far from a full list of all the shit kespa has done.
If anything kespa is a symbol of all that is currently wrong with progaming in Korea. Blizzard-Activision is the symbol of all that is wrong with profit driven game making in the world. Which is worse? Also, there's a difference between supporting and paying for damages because it'll compete with the GSL. This has nothing to do with Blizzard, they are not negotiating with Blizzard, wtf? In fact, they practically refused to negotiate with Blizzard for 3 whole years and were complaining about impossible to meet demands. How much time it took Blizzard to find a partner that could achieve the impossible? ...but kespa said it was impossible?! The simple truth of the matter is that the demands were very reasonable and that it was all kespa's bullshit. Hell, they weren't even willing to acknowledge that Blizzard holds the intelectual rights to Starcraft, ffs! If anything it was their own damn fault for being so stupid and stubborn, they could've signed with Blizzard and wouldn't have to pay for damages or anything like that. How are the Blizzard guys even remotely at fault that kespa is controlled by a bunch of morons? If you don't like capitalsm, then blame capitalism. If you don't like Gretech's policy, you can't blame Blizzard for it and if you don't like kespa's shit, you can only really blame kespa for it. I'm willing to gamble Gretech's contract with Blizzard-Activision is a HUGE reason why this is happening. If there's no solid info on this, we can only guess. I'm certainly willing to give Blizzard the benefit of the doubt much more than kespa, considering their history. Just as they are complaining about the pay for damages, they may very well be doing things to fuck with Gretech. For example: they could be simply refusing to make it so there are no conflicting schedules and purposedly breaking the NDA, so the fans would have no info from Gretech and only what kespa released. Or the Gretech guys are just pissed off about the boycott and want revenge of some sort. The simple truth of the matter is that the demands were very reasonable and that it was all kespa's bullshit. Hell, they weren't even willing to acknowledge that Blizzard holds the intelectual rights to Starcraft, ffs! Both Blizzard and kespa officialy released that kespa does not recognize the rights. Kespa's stand was Blizzard had no grounds to ask for anything, since according to them the game itself is not esports and esports is a communal property.This is exactly solid info on that matter. Decrying them as impossible to meet is plain bullshit. Gretech negotiated a deal in... less than month? Impossible, my ass, kespa just wanted to keep their monopoly and not have to pay anything and that came back to bite them in the ass.
Maybe you should look more into them matter here
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On September 02 2010 05:11 dybydx wrote:
@lololol,
kespa actually has a very valid point regarding blizz's ip claims - they can not enforce it. and the "communal property" is in fact something in the proposed legislation in Korea. and if the court found SC to be "communal property", which it very much likely is, then blizz's is totally screwed. btw, "communal property" does not mean the work has no copyright. it only means playing/broacasting the game will not violate copyright of the content creator.
GOM meeting demands of blizz is different than kespa meeting blizz. GOM is acting as a reseller, a middle man, who will negotiate on behalf of blizz. GOM does not help players get paid contracts like kespa did.
If kespa's genuine purpose was supporting the growth of esports they wouldn't have done any of the shit they've done(no need to repeat examples). Their history certainly doesn't provoke sympathy.
The whole matter was that Blizzard stance is that it does violate their intellectual property rights and they are not recognizing that, since they want to avoid paying any fees. Gretech did and so they signed with them with ease.
Gretech are running their own tourneys, so they aren't only a middle man. If kespa signed they could also resell the rights to broadcast SC and SC2. The paid player contracts are to advertise the company/team that signs the players, as in other sports, they are not about broadcasting rights.
People are also quick to blame Blizzard for the prices of GSL.
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On September 02 2010 05:16 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 04:57 dybydx wrote:On September 02 2010 04:46 FishForThought wrote:
Look this is black and white. Blizzard apparently has visions of how e-sports should be and they want to guide e-sport to that. To do that they need control and moderation of people promoting e-sport which is Kespa. Kespa likes their monopoly on Korean e-sport and doesn't like to be controlled or competed against, so they play their power and influence card. Blizzard goes to their competitor GOMTV who is willing to be moderated by blizzard. I mean who wouldn't? You control the Starcraft franchise, you basically control pro-gaming industry in Korea.
i disagree. blizz made SC2, that is a fact. but blizz is not owner of e-sport, not even owner of pro-SC2 gaming. blizz wants to monopolize how their game can or can not be played. such actions has been struck down in the US court. kespa on the other hand, truly promotes e-sport. not just SC:BW. they promote the entire e-sport industry. kespa at least cared enuf to have the players paid. blizz doesnt. Kespa doesn't really promote e-sport.. if they did, they wouldn't have banned their players from playing GOMTV Classic. Pro-gaming and e-sport is two entirely different thing. Promoting e-sport is to promote people to come out and play at all sorts of events. Its like telling people to join chess clubs or a local badminton team. Promoting pro-gaming is showing how professional plays. Kespa promotes pro-gaming but discourages e-sport.
Get your facts straight, Kespa didn't ban players from GOM Classic, in fact it actually got Kespa's seal of approval.. instead, various proteams banned their players from playing in the tournament because they wanted to lessen the workload of their top-players. GOM was always the last thing all progamers practiced for anyways, with its lack of prestige, shitty production values and honestly, a boring tournament format.
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On September 02 2010 05:56 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:16 FishForThought wrote:On September 02 2010 04:57 dybydx wrote:On September 02 2010 04:46 FishForThought wrote:
Look this is black and white. Blizzard apparently has visions of how e-sports should be and they want to guide e-sport to that. To do that they need control and moderation of people promoting e-sport which is Kespa. Kespa likes their monopoly on Korean e-sport and doesn't like to be controlled or competed against, so they play their power and influence card. Blizzard goes to their competitor GOMTV who is willing to be moderated by blizzard. I mean who wouldn't? You control the Starcraft franchise, you basically control pro-gaming industry in Korea.
i disagree. blizz made SC2, that is a fact. but blizz is not owner of e-sport, not even owner of pro-SC2 gaming. blizz wants to monopolize how their game can or can not be played. such actions has been struck down in the US court. kespa on the other hand, truly promotes e-sport. not just SC:BW. they promote the entire e-sport industry. kespa at least cared enuf to have the players paid. blizz doesnt. Kespa doesn't really promote e-sport.. if they did, they wouldn't have banned their players from playing GOMTV Classic. Pro-gaming and e-sport is two entirely different thing. Promoting e-sport is to promote people to come out and play at all sorts of events. Its like telling people to join chess clubs or a local badminton team. Promoting pro-gaming is showing how professional plays. Kespa promotes pro-gaming but discourages e-sport. Get your facts straight, Kespa didn't ban players from GOM Classic, in fact it actually got Kespa's seal of approval.. instead, various proteams banned their players from playing in the tournament because they wanted to lessen the workload of their top-players. GOM was always the last thing all progamers practiced for anyways, with its lack of prestige, shitty production values and honestly, a boring tournament format.
Exactly and this is what Gretech wants everyone to switch over to? LOL fuck GSL. I love the amazing products Blizzard creates and I personally enjoy playing SC2 but if they geniunely care about esports they should allow BW to go on instead of shoving SC2 down everyone's throat. Koreans would rather watch a balanced esport game at its pinnacle rather than a new game with shiny graphics.
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On August 31 2010 23:56 SmoKim wrote:
and in the end the fans are the ones getting hurt by all of this...
Yes, this is very true. Even though I have only found the game 8 months ago, I am still very angered by this bullsh*t.
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On September 02 2010 06:03 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:56 ArvickHero wrote:On September 02 2010 05:16 FishForThought wrote:On September 02 2010 04:57 dybydx wrote:On September 02 2010 04:46 FishForThought wrote:
Look this is black and white. Blizzard apparently has visions of how e-sports should be and they want to guide e-sport to that. To do that they need control and moderation of people promoting e-sport which is Kespa. Kespa likes their monopoly on Korean e-sport and doesn't like to be controlled or competed against, so they play their power and influence card. Blizzard goes to their competitor GOMTV who is willing to be moderated by blizzard. I mean who wouldn't? You control the Starcraft franchise, you basically control pro-gaming industry in Korea.
i disagree. blizz made SC2, that is a fact. but blizz is not owner of e-sport, not even owner of pro-SC2 gaming. blizz wants to monopolize how their game can or can not be played. such actions has been struck down in the US court. kespa on the other hand, truly promotes e-sport. not just SC:BW. they promote the entire e-sport industry. kespa at least cared enuf to have the players paid. blizz doesnt. Kespa doesn't really promote e-sport.. if they did, they wouldn't have banned their players from playing GOMTV Classic. Pro-gaming and e-sport is two entirely different thing. Promoting e-sport is to promote people to come out and play at all sorts of events. Its like telling people to join chess clubs or a local badminton team. Promoting pro-gaming is showing how professional plays. Kespa promotes pro-gaming but discourages e-sport. Get your facts straight, Kespa didn't ban players from GOM Classic, in fact it actually got Kespa's seal of approval.. instead, various proteams banned their players from playing in the tournament because they wanted to lessen the workload of their top-players. GOM was always the last thing all progamers practiced for anyways, with its lack of prestige, shitty production values and honestly, a boring tournament format. Exactly and this is what Gretech wants everyone to switch over to? LOL fuck GSL. I love the amazing products Blizzard creates and I personally enjoy playing SC2 but if they geniunely care about esports they should allow BW to go on instead of shoving SC2 down everyone's throat. Koreans would rather watch a balanced esport game at its pinnacle rather than a new game with shiny graphics.
Not just Koreans my friend. I can't think of anyone that would rather watch SC2 instead of BW.
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On September 02 2010 05:28 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 05:00 lololol wrote:On September 02 2010 04:50 Milkis wrote:On September 02 2010 04:15 lololol wrote:On September 02 2010 04:01 Milkis wrote:On September 02 2010 03:35 lololol wrote:On September 01 2010 22:23 Milkis wrote:On September 01 2010 20:43 lololol wrote:
Selling intellectual property rights to OGN and MBC, when they do not own and have never owned the rights to Starcraft, and even not aknowledging Blizzard has the rights to Starcraft at all during 3 years of negotiations. They boycotted GOM... yeah, that surely shows they care for e-sports, right?
And this is far from a full list of all the shit kespa has done.
If anything kespa is a symbol of all that is currently wrong with progaming in Korea. Blizzard-Activision is the symbol of all that is wrong with profit driven game making in the world. Which is worse? Also, there's a difference between supporting and paying for damages because it'll compete with the GSL. This has nothing to do with Blizzard, they are not negotiating with Blizzard, wtf? In fact, they practically refused to negotiate with Blizzard for 3 whole years and were complaining about impossible to meet demands. How much time it took Blizzard to find a partner that could achieve the impossible? ...but kespa said it was impossible?! The simple truth of the matter is that the demands were very reasonable and that it was all kespa's bullshit. Hell, they weren't even willing to acknowledge that Blizzard holds the intelectual rights to Starcraft, ffs! If anything it was their own damn fault for being so stupid and stubborn, they could've signed with Blizzard and wouldn't have to pay for damages or anything like that. How are the Blizzard guys even remotely at fault that kespa is controlled by a bunch of morons? If you don't like capitalsm, then blame capitalism. If you don't like Gretech's policy, you can't blame Blizzard for it and if you don't like kespa's shit, you can only really blame kespa for it. I'm willing to gamble Gretech's contract with Blizzard-Activision is a HUGE reason why this is happening. If there's no solid info on this, we can only guess. I'm certainly willing to give Blizzard the benefit of the doubt much more than kespa, considering their history. Just as they are complaining about the pay for damages, they may very well be doing things to fuck with Gretech. For example: they could be simply refusing to make it so there are no conflicting schedules and purposedly breaking the NDA, so the fans would have no info from Gretech and only what kespa released. Or the Gretech guys are just pissed off about the boycott and want revenge of some sort. The simple truth of the matter is that the demands were very reasonable and that it was all kespa's bullshit. Hell, they weren't even willing to acknowledge that Blizzard holds the intelectual rights to Starcraft, ffs! Both Blizzard and kespa officialy released that kespa does not recognize the rights. Kespa's stand was Blizzard had no grounds to ask for anything, since according to them the game itself is not esports and esports is a communal property.This is exactly solid info on that matter. Decrying them as impossible to meet is plain bullshit. Gretech negotiated a deal in... less than month? Impossible, my ass, kespa just wanted to keep their monopoly and not have to pay anything and that came back to bite them in the ass. Maybe you should look more into them matter here
If kespa was sure they are legally right, then they wouldn't have stopped the TLO vs Nada showmatch, for example. This shows they aren't so sure in their own stance.
It's also likely a legal precedent. Computer games cost tens of millions of dollars to create, while in comparison basketball did not cost anything to create(you need a basketball field to play, but you also need a computer to play SC2, and that computer is not part of the cost to create SC2).
Most likely kespa are also trying to pull some strings to push legislation, which will make Blizzard's EULAs illegal, but they do abide by them for the time being, so the released info about the matter is a solid as it gets and it matches what I already posted.
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So much ignorance here. It makes me so fucking sad that the BW leagues chances of survival are slowly unraveling, while kids on TL bicker like idiots over things that do not matter.
I really don't care what side you choose to support, since in the end your support means nothing to them, unless you do something about it. Instead of throwing words at each other uselessly let's take action before its too late. Kespa might be acting stupid in your opinion but they are our only hope in this war to continue to enjoy the BW proleagues.
Blizzard wants everything, and everything their way. If they had brought these issues up eight years ago then I would have had to support them. But now they are only bringing it up because of SC2. Well, SC2 is fucking boring. I and many others have no interest in watching SC2. Absolutely none. Speaking for myself now; I think that E-Sports is great. Playing video games for a living is cool. But if BW must be sacrificed in order to have that... then fuck Blizzard and fuck GOM.
I will not sit by and let these corporate assholes destroy something that I love this much. Even if you support Blizzard then you must realize that if GOM has their way we will be left with no more Proleagues. Has that sunk in yet? No more Jaedong, no more Flash, no more anything. This will hurt E-Sports more than help it. Once the hype is gone will SC2 survive as a 'spectator sport'? I don't know, probably not in my opinion. But BW has already been through the fire, it's already found a place in many people's hearts and managed to stay their for a decade.
To be a professional BW player is a long, hard road. In the end, unless you are Nada or Savior, you will not make much money. You will not be very famous outside of Korea, or inside for that matter if you never do well. Your skill set is limited to... playing Starcraft. Your hopes of finding a decent job outside of anything Starcraft related is ludicrously bad. So then why do it? Simple, the love of the game and the fans. In almost every interview I've read with progamers; they always thank the fans. Well I think its high time we started giving back.
SC2's success is all about money. I get the feeling more people are playing it because of the prize pools more than anything. It is being forced down our throats by Blizzard, and I don't like the taste. If you want to make a game and then whore it out as an 'e-sport' then be my guest Blizz, but don't touch BW. Watching and playing this game give me more joy than I can put into words. I love it, and I will fight to keep it alive.
So their are two ways this can end well. We can hope for a miracle or Kespa gives in to GOM's demands, which isn't going to happen for two reasons: Kespa has way too much pride, and Kespa simply doesn't have the money! GOM is incessantly telling them about all these fees they have to pay and how Kespa screwed GOM in the past and all this political bullshit. Well there is almost no money in the proleagues and GOM fucking knows it. It sounds to me like GOM wants revenge or something, and that means wiping Kespa out. Which in turn means the death of BW...
Let's band together for once, I'm begging you TL. Don't let them take our game away. We should be pooling our collective resources (which are great and many) trying to stop this instead of useless discussion over trivial matters. Blizzard created Starcraft, but they did not create the proleagues. If Van Gogh had kept all his paintings in his house and charged people to see them, do you think he would be respected and admired as he is today? Of course not. He may have created the paintings, but he certainly did not create and foster other people's love for them. He simply did something that he loved and was good at, and it resonated with people.
Well that is what Starcraft has done for me. Blizzard created a game, put some love and time into it and it resonated with me. Now they want to destroy a community that supports that? For what? The GSL?! FUCK THAT. FUCK YOUR POLITICS. I JUST WANT TO WATCH JAEDONG BEAT FLASH. I just want to watch BW at its pinnacle and listen to overly excited Koreans. I just want to trash talk Bisu fanboys. I just want everything to be as it was. These negotiations have already damaged the proleagues image enough that if they do survive somehow, they will have more trouble than ever finding sponsors. Let's show the corporations that it isn't just about money. It's about us: the fans. Without us none of this would exist.
Well I'm going to start exercising the tiny bit of power I have. Alone I am weak but together we can have a say in how this will end.
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lalallallaa
Corporate drama.
Always happens with Non-profits and profiteers alike!
This is how to destroy efficiency 
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On September 02 2010 06:20 GunSlinger wrote:
So much ignorance here. It makes me so fucking sad that the BW leagues chances of survival are slowly unraveling, while kids on TL bicker like idiots over things that do not matter.
I really don't care what side you choose to support, since in the end your support means nothing to them, unless you do something about it. Instead of throwing words at each other uselessly let's take action before its too late. Kespa might be acting stupid in your opinion but they are our only hope in this war to continue to enjoy the BW proleagues.
Blizzard wants everything, and everything their way. If they had brought these issues up eight years ago then I would have had to support them. But now they are only bringing it up because of SC2. Well, SC2 is fucking boring. I and many others have no interest in watching SC2. Absolutely none. Speaking for myself now; I think that E-Sports is great. Playing video games for a living is cool. But if BW must be sacrificed in order to have that... then fuck Blizzard and fuck GOM.
I will not sit by and let these corporate assholes destroy something that I love this much. Even if you support Blizzard then you must realize that if GOM has their way we will be left with no more Proleagues. Has that sunk in yet? No more Jaedong, no more Flash, no more anything. This will hurt E-Sports more than help it. Once the hype is gone will SC2 survive as a 'spectator sport'? I don't know, probably not in my opinion. But BW has already been through the fire, it's already found a place in many people's hearts and managed to stay their for a decade.
To be a professional BW player is a long, hard road. In the end, unless you are Nada or Savior, you will not make much money. You will not be very famous outside of Korea, or inside for that matter if you never do well. Your skill set is limited to... playing Starcraft. Your hopes of finding a decent job outside of anything Starcraft related is ludicrously bad. So then why do it? Simple, the love of the game and the fans. In almost every interview I've read with progamers; they always thank the fans. Well I think its high time we started giving back.
SC2's success is all about money. I get the feeling more people are playing it because of the prize pools more than anything. It is being forced down our throats by Blizzard, and I don't like the taste. If you want to make a game and then whore it out as an 'e-sport' then be my guest Blizz, but don't touch BW. Watching and playing this game give me more joy than I can put into words. I love it, and I will fight to keep it alive.
So their are two ways this can end well. We can hope for a miracle or Kespa gives in to GOM's demands, which isn't going to happen for two reasons: Kespa has way too much pride, and Kespa simply doesn't have the money! GOM is incessantly telling them about all these fees they have to pay and how Kespa screwed GOM in the past and all this political bullshit. Well there is almost no money in the proleagues and GOM fucking knows it. It sounds to me like GOM wants revenge or something, and that means wiping Kespa out. Which in turn means the death of BW...
Let's band together for once, I'm begging you TL. Don't let them take our game away. We should be pooling our collective resources (which are great and many) trying to stop this instead of useless discussion over trivial matters. Blizzard created Starcraft, but they did not create the proleagues. If Van Gogh had kept all his paintings in his house and charged people to see them, do you think he would be respected and admired as he is today? Of course not. He may have created the paintings, but he certainly did not create and foster other people's love for them. He simply did something that he loved and was good at, and it resonated with people.
Well that is what Starcraft has done for me. Blizzard created a game, put some love and time into it and it resonated with me. Now they want to destroy a community that supports that? For what? The GSL?! FUCK THAT. FUCK YOUR POLITICS. I JUST WANT TO WATCH JAEDONG BEAT FLASH. I just want to watch BW at its pinnacle and listen to overly excited Koreans. I just want to trash talk Bisu fanboys. I just want everything to be as it was. These negotiations have already damaged the proleagues image enough that if they do survive somehow, they will have more trouble than ever finding sponsors. Let's show the corporations that it isn't just about money. It's about us: the fans. Without us none of this would exist.
Well I'm going to start exercising the tiny bit of power I have. Alone I am weak but together we can have a say in how this will end.
Well said!
Kespa = PL
Gretech = no PL
Fuck you Blizzard/Gretech/SC2/GSL.
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GunSlinger very well written! totally agree. hate this bullshit that is going on it makes me so unbeliveble sad I have no words. my dream have been for many many years now to go to korea and watch some live BW, cant belive Blizzard/Gretech just fucks us in the ass like that
What can we do?
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Okay.
In germany you cant patent computer software.
Let them host MSL / OSL in germany!
edit: and if the law is the same in korea, then what is the problem?
fuck the gretech/blizzard-shit and see what they can do by korean law if the just dont stop hosting and televising tournaments. i bet they can do nothing.
ps: is it now generally forbidden to host tournaments and broadcast the games? for everybody? are lan events forbidden? broadcasted lan events? is this a popularity thing? or is it only forbidden in korea? and does wcg have to pay to gretech/blizzard?
pps: it really does hurt that kespa gets so much hate. there are 2 aspects of kespa. they one were its keeping korean esports together and being their labor union, and the other, were they decide on things during games with their kespa referees. and if you hate kespa referees you dont have to hate kespa! ( its like hating fifa referees and hating fifa...)
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I used to care about this. But now I have SC2, so I'm just watching this train-wreck in slow motion with mild amusement. People can say Blizzard/KeSPA/both are evil however much they want... me? I just think KeSPA's governing body is stupid. From a negotiations standpoint, they're behaving like complete morons in disbelief, hoping their troubles will go away if they just wish hard enough.
KeSPA would quite clearly prefer self-destruction over having to give in and admit defeat. The moral of the story? Be careful what you wish for.
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Guys, Keep It Simple.
who wants PL dead? Gretech,Blizzard
who wants PL alive ? KESPA.
i dont care who did some shit in the past. Im with the one who wants PL alive.
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On September 02 2010 09:16 insanet wrote:
Guys, Keep It Simple.
who wants PL dead? Gretech,Blizzard
who wants PL alive ? KESPA.
i dont care who did some shit in the past. Im with the one who wants PL alive.
Well said.
'Nuff said.
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EPT
