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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
September 02 2010 07:43 GMT
#381
I am really surprised that you people are surprised that blizzard is doing this.. Since Wow came, all they see is money money money... They are greedy bastards and because of it, i didnt even buy starcraft 2, and i wont. And its sooo booring to watch compared to sc1..
One ring, to rule them all!
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
September 02 2010 07:45 GMT
#382
Sorry Samurai- but SC2 is very fun. I hate to break it to you but people are moving on.
Woosung
Profile Joined July 2010
65 Posts
September 02 2010 08:14 GMT
#383
SC2 might be fun to play, but he's right. It's really boring to watch. Just because other people are dumb enough to think SC2 > SC1 doesn't mean everyone will bend over and take their commercialized shit (Read SC2) in the ass.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
September 02 2010 08:26 GMT
#384
On September 02 2010 16:45 LOcDowN wrote:
Sorry Samurai- but SC2 is very fun. I hate to break it to you but people are moving on.


I hate it to break it to you, but some of us aren't.
I find SC2 incredibly boring to watch, and I love the BW scene. I'll be pissed as hell if KeSPA loses this. )=< CMON KESPA, SHOW THEM YOUR JD DEATH STARE
darkness overpowering
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5617 Posts
September 02 2010 09:10 GMT
#385
On September 02 2010 16:45 LOcDowN wrote:
Sorry Samurai- but SC2 is very fun. I hate to break it to you but people are moving on.


Nah it's not. Quite mediocre imo. For me it will never replace SC:BW.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
September 02 2010 09:17 GMT
#386
On September 02 2010 18:10 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 16:45 LOcDowN wrote:
Sorry Samurai- but SC2 is very fun. I hate to break it to you but people are moving on.


Nah it's not. Quite mediocre imo. For me it will never replace SC:BW.

I would say most BW players think the same way. But too bad, because it doesn't matter. SC2 is the most popular strategy game right now and it is where all the tournaments and money are at. Korea is the only place in the world that BW still had a chance to live on, but by the looks of it it may not happen
blabberrrrr
Omegon
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden54 Posts
September 02 2010 09:21 GMT
#387
Hah, great buffert of BW fans here going "Yeah fuck off SC2." Loving it.
Anyway yes true that SC2 isn't really the same as watching BW, or at least in my humble opinion. And in the end I think I'll have to side with KeSPA on this, not because they are better people or anything even remotely similar, but because they made sure people could watch for free, which in my opinion is the best thing for the eSports since... I dunno, Multiplayer?

Just watch the latest poll on how many will pay to watch the GSL, I mean sure it's not the whole eSports community sure. But it's a nice gap between "Yes" and "No".
TRUE GRIT BITCH!
Ruff
Profile Joined August 2006
Kazakhstan179 Posts
September 02 2010 09:27 GMT
#388
I hate Blizzard, Gretech and SC2 so much!!
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
September 02 2010 09:41 GMT
#389
I think I'm going to have to side with Kespa on this; 0$ or GTFO

It was nice of gretech to throw out its draconian pricing to remind everyone the rights that activision is claiming. They are currently within their rights to require similar compensation from all tournaments.

Hopefully this will come down to court cases and we'll end up with some rights as game owners that the IP holder can't deny us.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2349 Posts
September 02 2010 10:26 GMT
#390
Recognizing Activision Lizzard to the old time Blizzard is like confusing STX-Calm with STX-Clam. Formally all the same, but much different.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 02 2010 10:35 GMT
#391
On August 31 2010 23:50 night terrors wrote:
Completely understandable for KeSPA as well.


No it's not, Kespa are like 80 year olds just sitting down saying "we don't want change, we are happy with BW", and everyone else is like SC2 is the now, the future. I think Kespa's pride is too big to accept SC2, and would rather let itself crumble.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
September 02 2010 10:38 GMT
#392
On September 02 2010 17:14 Woosung wrote:
SC2 might be fun to play, but he's right. It's really boring to watch. Just because other people are dumb enough to think SC2 > SC1 doesn't mean everyone will bend over and take their commercialized shit (Read SC2) in the ass.


Perhaps boring for you to watch but most people seem to love watching SC2. Have you realized how popular the SC2 streams have been ever since beta came out? It has only been getting more more popular.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
September 02 2010 10:43 GMT
#393
On September 02 2010 19:35 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 23:50 night terrors wrote:
Completely understandable for KeSPA as well.


No it's not, Kespa are like 80 year olds just sitting down saying "we don't want change, we are happy with BW", and everyone else is like SC2 is the now, the future. I think Kespa's pride is too big to accept SC2, and would rather let itself crumble.

BW still has a large following in Korea, and there is still high demand by the fans, so why would KeSPA want to cut off the supply? Meanwhile, Blizzard is attempting to kill off BW so that they can cram SC2 further down people's throats and artificially shift demand over to it. If SC2 does prove to be as successful of an esport (able to bring in the fans season after season, draw in sponsors for teams and leagues, etc) then the demand would shift on its own. Throwing hype and money at it and trying to make it stick isn't a long term solution.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
September 02 2010 11:08 GMT
#394
Shifting the focus to BW vs. SC2 is misrepresenting the conflict.
Activision is charging for both (and throwing in lots of other wacky conditions).
The plural of anecdote is not data.
_awake_
Profile Joined August 2007
196 Posts
September 02 2010 11:34 GMT
#395
the only ppl that watch SC2 are players who want to learn strategies because the game is new. the percentage of casual esports fans is very very low. once these players move onto another game, who will watch SC2?
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-02 11:54:03
September 02 2010 11:46 GMT
#396
Fucking Activision. This all goes back to them. After the whole infinity ward scandal, its clear just how dirty Activision is. Come on Activision, destroy BW and see how successful its successor is.

Edit: SC2 is ONLY successful because of BW, period. Its popularity is a tribute to the success of its predecessor. People may think that the world is moving on, but SC2 as it stands now does not have the ability to become the global e-sport that is BW. That can change in time, but forcibly destroying pro-BW is only going to cripple SC2 in the coming years. SC2 is popular because its new, but like all things the majority of people playing will move on to the next big thing in the coming months. Even if it remains popular, SC2 still has 2 expansions before its a completed game, so how is an incomplete game supposed to replace to most successful e-sport game?
Jaedong and Baby
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 02 2010 11:53 GMT
#397
On September 02 2010 19:38 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 17:14 Woosung wrote:
SC2 might be fun to play, but he's right. It's really boring to watch. Just because other people are dumb enough to think SC2 > SC1 doesn't mean everyone will bend over and take their commercialized shit (Read SC2) in the ass.


Perhaps boring for you to watch but most people seem to love watching SC2. Have you realized how popular the SC2 streams have been ever since beta came out? It has only been getting more more popular.

A significant portion of the people on BW streams play very little and are simply there to spectate and enjoy the games, that is eSports.
Whilst it can be said that the majority of people on SC2 streams are newbs trying to learn shit rather than spectators watching for entertainment. (Don't even try to contend that SC2 blobs > BW screaming fangirls)
DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
September 02 2010 12:00 GMT
#398
On September 02 2010 20:53 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 19:38 Dionyseus wrote:
On September 02 2010 17:14 Woosung wrote:
SC2 might be fun to play, but he's right. It's really boring to watch. Just because other people are dumb enough to think SC2 > SC1 doesn't mean everyone will bend over and take their commercialized shit (Read SC2) in the ass.


Perhaps boring for you to watch but most people seem to love watching SC2. Have you realized how popular the SC2 streams have been ever since beta came out? It has only been getting more more popular.

A significant portion of the people on BW streams play very little and are simply there to spectate and enjoy the games, that is eSports.
Whilst it can be said that the majority of people on SC2 streams are newbs trying to learn shit rather than spectators watching for entertainment. (Don't even try to contend that SC2 blobs > BW screaming fangirls)


I have to agree with that, every single one of my friends and myself when we actually watch starcraft 2 streams we are only doing it to learn new strats.

With Broodwar though I watch it just because it is so much more enjoyable, I still follow all the leagues despite rarely playing broodwar anymore, something which I cannot imagine if I stopped playing starcraft 2
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
September 02 2010 12:05 GMT
#399
On September 02 2010 19:35 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 23:50 night terrors wrote:
Completely understandable for KeSPA as well.


No it's not, Kespa are like 80 year olds just sitting down saying "we don't want change, we are happy with BW", and everyone else is like SC2 is the now, the future. I think Kespa's pride is too big to accept SC2, and would rather let itself crumble.

in KOREA, i dont think everyone is gunning for SC2.
sure, overseas, it might be getting more and popular..but in Korea
SC2 is still pretty stagnant.


prove me wrong, though.
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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
September 02 2010 12:13 GMT
#400
On September 02 2010 21:05 Katsuge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2010 19:35 Dionyseus wrote:
On August 31 2010 23:50 night terrors wrote:
Completely understandable for KeSPA as well.


No it's not, Kespa are like 80 year olds just sitting down saying "we don't want change, we are happy with BW", and everyone else is like SC2 is the now, the future. I think Kespa's pride is too big to accept SC2, and would rather let itself crumble.

in KOREA, i dont think everyone is gunning for SC2.
sure, overseas, it might be getting more and popular..but in Korea
SC2 is still pretty stagnant.


prove me wrong, though.


i see more kids at pc bangs playing sc2 lately
manner
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