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On September 01 2010 23:48 Meekee wrote:
GOM clearly wants SC2 to succeed so badly because they weren't ever able to get in with SC:BW because KESPA wouldn't let them. Now they hold the cards and they're being vindictive assholes right back rather than setting an appropriate example of how everything should be able to get along.
wat
gom can get their own players and start their own leagues without trying to remove bw, but instead they screw over all the current teams, players, broadcasting stations, fans and everyone else involved in esports because of their greed. they think they have a right to dismantle the scene and leech off all the hard work just because their game uses the same name with a 2 slapped on it.
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wow wtf GOM if the update is true. they're just getting payback for kespa's douchebaggery and stiff arm their way into the korean esports market.
it looks like there really is no way to settle this other than in the courtroom. the courts could be really interesting as they could rule that having a sole holder of casting/IP rights for BW illegal or just totally shutdown the proleague. who knows.
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I can equally disagree both sides until the NDA is lifted.
I do not see it ending well however it falls though.
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My hate is redirected to Gretech.
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gahahahahah that is horrible news. If I read correctly, Kespa is willing to pay and Gretech is still refusing? wtf wtf wtf!
The GSL news doesn't make things better either. So no proleague AND I can't watch SC2 because I'm not freaking paying to stay up to 6am in the morning to watch.
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This is just one of the saddest things ever.
I've watched and enjoyed korean progaming for so many years and now this shit is going on and on.
Letmelose put my rage in words. Nuff sad but fuck you people who are fucking it up for everyone.
Edit: And let me be clear, i don't even care who it is at this moment. This is just a shame.
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I'm not buying SC2. Fuck you Blizzard.
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This is like reading a High school drama. Kespa in the past was like "no you don't" to Gretech and boycotted GomTv because they wanted control. Now the shoes on the other foot and Gretech's like "Paybacks a bitch huh" and are now trying to control everything.
There is a lot more too it but i can't help but laugh and be angry at the same time when i read this.
Next time in the Kespa V Gretech show... the news that you may need to take out a small loan to watch GSL and more!
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On September 02 2010 00:47 LunarDestiny wrote:
My hate is redirected to Gretech.
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The thing is Kespa wants to just say, "Heres the money for IP, let us do whatever we want!". Both Blizzard and Gretech can't accept that because they want complete moderation of the e-sport scene and they know that Kespa has a large enough influential factor for being the dominant host of major tournaments for the last 12 years and anything they do can damage Blizzard/Gretech's interest.
The real mastermind behind the scene is actually blizzard. I would assume their contract with gretech is similar to the one they made for UDE for their Card game. Meaning, they will give broadcasting right for maybe next 5-10 years to Gretech, while having conditions/goals for Gretech to meet with the threat of not renewing the contract if the goals/conditions are not met. It is not to say the conditions/goals are ill-intentioned because I would imagine they include things like "Must have an English broadcaster/stream for every major tournament" or "Each league must allow foreigners to attend without the need of a korean pro-gaming team" or something like that.
All in all, this is a battle of old vs the new. Kespa's old way of operating of alienating the masses in support of the few elites (12 pro-gaming team) vs Blizzard/Gretech's vision of esport where everyone can participate and everyone gets their 5min of fame. Which one is better? I don't know, as Kespa's method truly defines who's the best player in the world, while Blizzard/Gretech aims towards natural talent and exposure to the masses as every player have equal chance to make it to the top.
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Coupled with GSL costs ranging from 30 bucks for VODS watchable for one season and 20 bucks for the live stream, which I asume is only for the current season (who knows if costs will scale for finals and such), things are looking grimmer than ever for the average joe esports fan.
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This is bullshit. There's no way Actiblizz+gretech can even support anything near the magnitude of 3 major leagues and 12 all inclusive teams, there just isn't money enough from their part.
I don't even need to state how fucking greedy they are. KeSPA did this shit for free, all they did was advertise their other products. I wonder what other products actiblizz and gretech advertise.
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On September 02 2010 01:35 MaYuu wrote:
This is bullshit. There's no way Actiblizz+gretech can even support anything near the magnitude of 3 major leagues and 12 all inclusive teams, there just isn't money enough from their part.
I don't even need to state how fucking greedy they are. KeSPA did this shit for free, all they did was advertise their other products. I wonder what other products actiblizz and gretech advertise.
They can't and they don't want to. Gretech/Blizzard want everyone to have a fair chance @ the top. The 12 pro-gaming teams are like the elite training school, and have a significant advantage over the normal players.
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This makes me so fucking sad. Does that until this resolve is disputed, we won't be seeing MSL, OSL, or PL for a while? (hopefully not forever). I can't believe the game that is the #1 esports game can possibly fucking die to greedy scums. This makes me so sad and makes me appreciate every live BW moment more and more.
I can't believe some people are actually supporting Blizzard here. It's not like SC2 would prosper right after BW's death...
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I'm sure in the future they'll just build a broodwar clone call it: "sudden real time strategy" claim it's superior to broodwar and force the pros to play it instead.
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On September 02 2010 01:40 FishForThought wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 01:35 MaYuu wrote:
This is bullshit. There's no way Actiblizz+gretech can even support anything near the magnitude of 3 major leagues and 12 all inclusive teams, there just isn't money enough from their part.
I don't even need to state how fucking greedy they are. KeSPA did this shit for free, all they did was advertise their other products. I wonder what other products actiblizz and gretech advertise. They can't and they don't want to. Gretech/Blizzard want everyone to have a fair chance @ the top. The 12 pro-gaming teams are like the elite training school, and have a significant advantage over the normal players.
yes. they're gonna go back to the days where "progamers" sit in cramped apartments and eat ramen and 3 minute instant foods all fucking day.
that's what they want lol, "prize hunters", not "progamers". This is, after all, esporst 2.0.
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On September 02 2010 02:00 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 01:40 FishForThought wrote:On September 02 2010 01:35 MaYuu wrote:
This is bullshit. There's no way Actiblizz+gretech can even support anything near the magnitude of 3 major leagues and 12 all inclusive teams, there just isn't money enough from their part.
I don't even need to state how fucking greedy they are. KeSPA did this shit for free, all they did was advertise their other products. I wonder what other products actiblizz and gretech advertise. They can't and they don't want to. Gretech/Blizzard want everyone to have a fair chance @ the top. The 12 pro-gaming teams are like the elite training school, and have a significant advantage over the normal players. yes. they're gonna go back to the days where "progamers" sit in cramped apartments and eat ramen and 3 minute instant foods all fucking day. that's what they want lol, "prize hunters", not "progamers". This is, after all, esporst 2.0.
do you REALLY want a proleague?
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Seriously, I HIGHLY doubt that SC:BW players would want to make a switch to SC2. Come on these players have a passion for BW, they really LOVE the game. Now Blizzard/Gretach is forcing SC2 on them, they won't enjoy it as much as BW, they would all end up not liking the game and be jobless....
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On September 02 2010 02:04 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 02:00 Milkis wrote:On September 02 2010 01:40 FishForThought wrote:On September 02 2010 01:35 MaYuu wrote:
This is bullshit. There's no way Actiblizz+gretech can even support anything near the magnitude of 3 major leagues and 12 all inclusive teams, there just isn't money enough from their part.
I don't even need to state how fucking greedy they are. KeSPA did this shit for free, all they did was advertise their other products. I wonder what other products actiblizz and gretech advertise. They can't and they don't want to. Gretech/Blizzard want everyone to have a fair chance @ the top. The 12 pro-gaming teams are like the elite training school, and have a significant advantage over the normal players. yes. they're gonna go back to the days where "progamers" sit in cramped apartments and eat ramen and 3 minute instant foods all fucking day. that's what they want lol, "prize hunters", not "progamers". This is, after all, esporst 2.0. do you REALLY want a proleague?
actually yes. some of my fav moments watching BW have came from Proleague. in particular - FBH.
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On September 02 2010 02:22 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 02:04 Plexa wrote:On September 02 2010 02:00 Milkis wrote:On September 02 2010 01:40 FishForThought wrote:On September 02 2010 01:35 MaYuu wrote:
This is bullshit. There's no way Actiblizz+gretech can even support anything near the magnitude of 3 major leagues and 12 all inclusive teams, there just isn't money enough from their part.
I don't even need to state how fucking greedy they are. KeSPA did this shit for free, all they did was advertise their other products. I wonder what other products actiblizz and gretech advertise. They can't and they don't want to. Gretech/Blizzard want everyone to have a fair chance @ the top. The 12 pro-gaming teams are like the elite training school, and have a significant advantage over the normal players. yes. they're gonna go back to the days where "progamers" sit in cramped apartments and eat ramen and 3 minute instant foods all fucking day. that's what they want lol, "prize hunters", not "progamers". This is, after all, esporst 2.0. do you REALLY want a proleague? actually yes. some of my fav moments watching BW have came from Proleague. in particular - FBH.
Plexa was sarcastic here...
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