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On September 01 2010 17:13 Letmelose wrote:
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Whatever bullshit Blizzard/Gretech is pulling for whatever reasons, is making the entire scene unstable. It won't be easy to persuade sponors to keep investing in the scene that is plagued with uncertainty, legal troubles and bad publicity overall. Not to mention the players themselves won't be able to showcast all their skills now they have their own livelihood to worry about.
I can see no good coming out of this, and since when did any of you care about the intellectual rights of a company that hardly is a victim of the idea that their game is the only product that manages to keep an entire industry consisting of numerous broadcasting companies, corporate sponsors, internet sites, alive. The industy was alive because we watched through the good times and the bad. Supported the players. Skipped classes to watch our favourite players live. Spent hours on numerous internet communities discussing the more important issues going on in the scene. It was the people's interest in the scene that allowed the scene to grow. And now Blizzard/Gretech wants to take all that away.
You can justify that all you want. I say it's total fucking bullshit. Blizzard didn't the scene. They shouldn't be able to hold us all at a gun point just because they made the game. It was the players. The teams that paid them. The broadcasters who employed professional observers, map-makers, casters and commentators. The fans who stood by their players and teams, the fans who got the broadcasting companies the necessary raitings. The fans who got the internet sites to stay alive with their non-stop activity within it.
Many of us, in one small way or the other. Made this entire thing happen. E-Sports wouldn't ahve existed without Blizzard? Fuck that. It wouldn't have existed without a lot of things clicking just right. Why the fuck would anybody empathize Blizzard's needs to disregard all the blood, sweat and tears devoted to get E-Sports to the point it is at now, for whatever the fuck it is that they feel we as a community owe to them for making such a great fucking game. I thought the debt was over the moment I paid for the game. But no. They feel I must bow down and suck on their crotch everytime I want to enjoy the by-products of their game. Apparently I can't enjoy shit without having to grovel for their permission and paying them money EVERY FUCKING TIME I WANT TO WATCH IT ON TELEVISION.
Don't you get it? We're the customers. We sustained the scene with our interest, which the corporate sponsors deemed enough in return for the pleasure of watching this amazing thing that is not available anywhere else. Now Blizzard comes barging in and starts to make demands that is way over-board both in terms of control and fincially speaking. They're not just fucking with Kespa here. They are FUCKING WITH YOU. STOP BEING HAPPY THAT YOU'RE BEING VIOLATED ANALLY BY A BUNCH OF MONEY HUNGRY FUCKHEADS.
Blizzard is essentially saying you can't fucking enjoy E-Sports without us getting our pockets full. Want to play our game? Pay us. Want to play our game on television. Pay us. Want to watch our game on television. FUCKING PAY US.
What part the E-Sports scene in Korea being threatened, Blizzard's message that what we do with their products will never be legally viable without their permission, and all the work we as a community have put in, no matter how small or insignificant in the grand scope of things, being PISSED ON by those fuckers. Why are some retards here celebrating the presence of a dictatorship on something that was not perfect, but relatively free from all this bullshit that has nothing to do with the beauty of the industry? Why are these mindless drones essentially mumbling: "OH CREATOR OF STARCRAFT WE BOW DOWN TO THEE AND WE ALL GLAD TO MEET YOUR INCESSANT NEED FOR MORE MONEY AND POWER. FUCK KESPA AND FUCK BROOD WARS. WE WILL PAY ALL THE CASH. WE WILL PAY ALL THE INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS EVERY TIME WE PLAY YOUR GAME COMPETITIVELY."
I say fuck that. And fuck you if you think we owe Blizzard a cent for something they hardly touched on all these years and have benefitted greatly from. It's the ultimate betrayal, and you have some serious issues of sadomasochism if you are greatly interested in making Blizzard richer even if it means having to sacrifice on your part.
THIS.
sry my post isnt any longer, but there is nothing more to add for me
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On September 01 2010 22:23 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 20:43 lololol wrote:
Selling intellectual property rights to OGN and MBC, when they do not own and have never owned the rights to Starcraft, and even not aknowledging Blizzard has the rights to Starcraft at all during 3 years of negotiations. They boycotted GOM... yeah, that surely shows they care for e-sports, right?
And this is far from a full list of all the shit kespa has done.
If anything kespa is a symbol of all that is currently wrong with progaming in Korea. Blizzard-Activision is the symbol of all that is wrong with profit driven game making in the world. Which is worse? Also, there's a difference between supporting and paying for damages because it'll compete with the GSL.
Amen.
I would say that Blizzard-Activision is an exemple of all what is wrong with profit driven big companies in the world. You would find the same shit in every single area, wether it's game making, oil companies, food industry, agriculture or banking.
Also, there is something really fucked up with the whole notion of Intellectual Property, theses days. When it's about protecting a writer and allowing him to make a living from his book, I support the concept, but if it's solely about big companies exploiting a franchise for 70 years and making a fucktone of money on the back of pretty much everybody, there is something which is not really working.
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On September 01 2010 23:00 AssiRoyal wrote:On September 01 2010 17:13 Letmelose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Whatever bullshit Blizzard/Gretech is pulling for whatever reasons, is making the entire scene unstable. It won't be easy to persuade sponors to keep investing in the scene that is plagued with uncertainty, legal troubles and bad publicity overall. Not to mention the players themselves won't be able to showcast all their skills now they have their own livelihood to worry about.
I can see no good coming out of this, and since when did any of you care about the intellectual rights of a company that hardly is a victim of the idea that their game is the only product that manages to keep an entire industry consisting of numerous broadcasting companies, corporate sponsors, internet sites, alive. The industy was alive because we watched through the good times and the bad. Supported the players. Skipped classes to watch our favourite players live. Spent hours on numerous internet communities discussing the more important issues going on in the scene. It was the people's interest in the scene that allowed the scene to grow. And now Blizzard/Gretech wants to take all that away.
You can justify that all you want. I say it's total fucking bullshit. Blizzard didn't the scene. They shouldn't be able to hold us all at a gun point just because they made the game. It was the players. The teams that paid them. The broadcasters who employed professional observers, map-makers, casters and commentators. The fans who stood by their players and teams, the fans who got the broadcasting companies the necessary raitings. The fans who got the internet sites to stay alive with their non-stop activity within it.
Many of us, in one small way or the other. Made this entire thing happen. E-Sports wouldn't ahve existed without Blizzard? Fuck that. It wouldn't have existed without a lot of things clicking just right. Why the fuck would anybody empathize Blizzard's needs to disregard all the blood, sweat and tears devoted to get E-Sports to the point it is at now, for whatever the fuck it is that they feel we as a community owe to them for making such a great fucking game. I thought the debt was over the moment I paid for the game. But no. They feel I must bow down and suck on their crotch everytime I want to enjoy the by-products of their game. Apparently I can't enjoy shit without having to grovel for their permission and paying them money EVERY FUCKING TIME I WANT TO WATCH IT ON TELEVISION.
Don't you get it? We're the customers. We sustained the scene with our interest, which the corporate sponsors deemed enough in return for the pleasure of watching this amazing thing that is not available anywhere else. Now Blizzard comes barging in and starts to make demands that is way over-board both in terms of control and fincially speaking. They're not just fucking with Kespa here. They are FUCKING WITH YOU. STOP BEING HAPPY THAT YOU'RE BEING VIOLATED ANALLY BY A BUNCH OF MONEY HUNGRY FUCKHEADS.
Blizzard is essentially saying you can't fucking enjoy E-Sports without us getting our pockets full. Want to play our game? Pay us. Want to play our game on television. Pay us. Want to watch our game on television. FUCKING PAY US.
What part the E-Sports scene in Korea being threatened, Blizzard's message that what we do with their products will never be legally viable without their permission, and all the work we as a community have put in, no matter how small or insignificant in the grand scope of things, being PISSED ON by those fuckers. Why are some retards here celebrating the presence of a dictatorship on something that was not perfect, but relatively free from all this bullshit that has nothing to do with the beauty of the industry? Why are these mindless drones essentially mumbling: "OH CREATOR OF STARCRAFT WE BOW DOWN TO THEE AND WE ALL GLAD TO MEET YOUR INCESSANT NEED FOR MORE MONEY AND POWER. FUCK KESPA AND FUCK BROOD WARS. WE WILL PAY ALL THE CASH. WE WILL PAY ALL THE INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS EVERY TIME WE PLAY YOUR GAME COMPETITIVELY."
I say fuck that. And fuck you if you think we owe Blizzard a cent for something they hardly touched on all these years and have benefitted greatly from. It's the ultimate betrayal, and you have some serious issues of sadomasochism if you are greatly interested in making Blizzard richer even if it means having to sacrifice on your part.
sry my post isnt any longer, but there is nothing more to add for me
Yes, that was pretty much the smartest post I have seen on this forum, all time. I wish everybody could read and understand that.
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On September 01 2010 21:28 junkacc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 21:24 gillon wrote:On September 01 2010 21:17 junkacc wrote:
LOL if KeSPA offered license fees for BW proleague and Gretech refused, they can run proleague while waiting to get sued by Gretech, because chances are Gretech will lose in court. It is they who refused the offer, not KeSPA, who offered to pay. That makes no sense. What's to say KeSPA's offer wasn't really fucking low and basically saying fuck you to Gretech? It's all about the amount. The details will come out in court. No use debating it here. The good news is, MSL and proleague will continue until this is resolved!!!
Source or it didn't happen. I couldn't find any article relating to this particular reason on fomos or edailysports.
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On September 01 2010 23:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:00 AssiRoyal wrote:On September 01 2010 17:13 Letmelose wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Whatever bullshit Blizzard/Gretech is pulling for whatever reasons, is making the entire scene unstable. It won't be easy to persuade sponors to keep investing in the scene that is plagued with uncertainty, legal troubles and bad publicity overall. Not to mention the players themselves won't be able to showcast all their skills now they have their own livelihood to worry about.
I can see no good coming out of this, and since when did any of you care about the intellectual rights of a company that hardly is a victim of the idea that their game is the only product that manages to keep an entire industry consisting of numerous broadcasting companies, corporate sponsors, internet sites, alive. The industy was alive because we watched through the good times and the bad. Supported the players. Skipped classes to watch our favourite players live. Spent hours on numerous internet communities discussing the more important issues going on in the scene. It was the people's interest in the scene that allowed the scene to grow. And now Blizzard/Gretech wants to take all that away.
You can justify that all you want. I say it's total fucking bullshit. Blizzard didn't the scene. They shouldn't be able to hold us all at a gun point just because they made the game. It was the players. The teams that paid them. The broadcasters who employed professional observers, map-makers, casters and commentators. The fans who stood by their players and teams, the fans who got the broadcasting companies the necessary raitings. The fans who got the internet sites to stay alive with their non-stop activity within it.
Many of us, in one small way or the other. Made this entire thing happen. E-Sports wouldn't ahve existed without Blizzard? Fuck that. It wouldn't have existed without a lot of things clicking just right. Why the fuck would anybody empathize Blizzard's needs to disregard all the blood, sweat and tears devoted to get E-Sports to the point it is at now, for whatever the fuck it is that they feel we as a community owe to them for making such a great fucking game. I thought the debt was over the moment I paid for the game. But no. They feel I must bow down and suck on their crotch everytime I want to enjoy the by-products of their game. Apparently I can't enjoy shit without having to grovel for their permission and paying them money EVERY FUCKING TIME I WANT TO WATCH IT ON TELEVISION.
Don't you get it? We're the customers. We sustained the scene with our interest, which the corporate sponsors deemed enough in return for the pleasure of watching this amazing thing that is not available anywhere else. Now Blizzard comes barging in and starts to make demands that is way over-board both in terms of control and fincially speaking. They're not just fucking with Kespa here. They are FUCKING WITH YOU. STOP BEING HAPPY THAT YOU'RE BEING VIOLATED ANALLY BY A BUNCH OF MONEY HUNGRY FUCKHEADS.
Blizzard is essentially saying you can't fucking enjoy E-Sports without us getting our pockets full. Want to play our game? Pay us. Want to play our game on television. Pay us. Want to watch our game on television. FUCKING PAY US.
What part the E-Sports scene in Korea being threatened, Blizzard's message that what we do with their products will never be legally viable without their permission, and all the work we as a community have put in, no matter how small or insignificant in the grand scope of things, being PISSED ON by those fuckers. Why are some retards here celebrating the presence of a dictatorship on something that was not perfect, but relatively free from all this bullshit that has nothing to do with the beauty of the industry? Why are these mindless drones essentially mumbling: "OH CREATOR OF STARCRAFT WE BOW DOWN TO THEE AND WE ALL GLAD TO MEET YOUR INCESSANT NEED FOR MORE MONEY AND POWER. FUCK KESPA AND FUCK BROOD WARS. WE WILL PAY ALL THE CASH. WE WILL PAY ALL THE INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS EVERY TIME WE PLAY YOUR GAME COMPETITIVELY."
I say fuck that. And fuck you if you think we owe Blizzard a cent for something they hardly touched on all these years and have benefitted greatly from. It's the ultimate betrayal, and you have some serious issues of sadomasochism if you are greatly interested in making Blizzard richer even if it means having to sacrifice on your part.
sry my post isnt any longer, but there is nothing more to add for me Yes, that was pretty much the smartest post I have seen on this forum, all time. I wish everybody could read and understand that.
Yes, this is one of the smartest posts I have ever read of any forums. This needs to be on the frontpage and everybody should be forced to click a button to acknowledge that they have read it or else they cant proceed.
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Yeah, I take back what I said now after reading the OP with the more news added. GOM and Blizz are being the true dick heads here. This is just terrible. It makes me sad. 
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On September 01 2010 23:09 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 21:28 junkacc wrote:On September 01 2010 21:24 gillon wrote:On September 01 2010 21:17 junkacc wrote:
LOL if KeSPA offered license fees for BW proleague and Gretech refused, they can run proleague while waiting to get sued by Gretech, because chances are Gretech will lose in court. It is they who refused the offer, not KeSPA, who offered to pay. That makes no sense. What's to say KeSPA's offer wasn't really fucking low and basically saying fuck you to Gretech? It's all about the amount. The details will come out in court. No use debating it here. The good news is, MSL and proleague will continue until this is resolved!!! Source or it didn't happen. I couldn't find any article relating to this particular reason on fomos or edailysports.
From: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110288&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=
이런 상황에서 협회 측은 프로리그 지적재산권 협상 타결 여부에 관계없이 프로리그 10-11 시즌을 강행하자는 의견이 제기됐고, 이를 강행할 계획인 것으로 알려졌다. 복수의 업계 관계자들에 따르면 협회는 일단 프로리그 10-11 시즌을 당초 예정대로 진행하고, 추후 그래텍에서 지적재산권과 관련해 문제를 제기할 경우 그에 따른 후속 대책을 마련하는 한편 최악의 경우 리그가 중단되는 사태가 발생한다면 게임단 해체까지도 불사하겠다는 내용이 오고 간 것으로 확인됐다.
Translated version is in the OP.
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+ Show Spoiler +Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years?
Edit:I was prolly wrong...
Keeping it here for people to see my wrongness.
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On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years?
Er..... You should probably try digging up some of the older threads.
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On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years?
I love it when people like you crash into a thread, not reading anything and hop to the last page instead to post their bullshit. Your question has been answered so many times. Read the fucking conditions that OGN had to agree with to come to an understanding with Gretech. Or just read the last page with letmeloses brillant post. Or just read the OP and understand it. Is it so hard?
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On September 01 2010 23:38 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years? Er..... You should probably try digging up some of the older threads.
Would love to, not gonna lie, I'm not up to date on all this...
Any chance you could point me in the right direction?
I love it when people like you crash into a thread, not reading anything and hop to the last page instead to post their bullshit. Your question has been answered so many times. Read the fucking conditions that OGN had to agree with to come to an understanding with Gretech. Or just read the last page with letmeloses brillant post. Or just read the OP and understand it. Is it so hard?
Read to page 9, which included 9 pages of "OMG BLIZZARD SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" and "OMG KESPA SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!"
So forgive me for not knowing the whole situation.
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On September 01 2010 23:39 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:38 Milkis wrote:On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years? Er..... You should probably try digging up some of the older threads. Would love to, not gonna lie, I'm not up to date on all this... Any chance you could point me in the right direction? Show nested quote +I love it when people like you crash into a thread, not reading anything and hop to the last page instead to post their bullshit. Your question has been answered so many times. Read the fucking conditions that OGN had to agree with to come to an understanding with Gretech. Or just read the last page with letmeloses brillant post. Or just read the OP and understand it. Is it so hard? Read to page 9, which included 9 pages of "OMG BLIZZARD SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" and "OMG KESPA SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" So forgive me for not knowing the whole situation.
I just gave you a hint with my post where you should start. So do it.
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On September 01 2010 23:44 Gregsen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:39 Seam wrote:On September 01 2010 23:38 Milkis wrote:On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years? Er..... You should probably try digging up some of the older threads. Would love to, not gonna lie, I'm not up to date on all this... Any chance you could point me in the right direction? I love it when people like you crash into a thread, not reading anything and hop to the last page instead to post their bullshit. Your question has been answered so many times. Read the fucking conditions that OGN had to agree with to come to an understanding with Gretech. Or just read the last page with letmeloses brillant post. Or just read the OP and understand it. Is it so hard? Read to page 9, which included 9 pages of "OMG BLIZZARD SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" and "OMG KESPA SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" So forgive me for not knowing the whole situation. I just gave you a hint with my post where you should start. So do it.
He's american... enough said.
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It seems so odd to me that everyone is picking one side or the other when everyone involved seems to be in the wrong, except for the gamers and the viewers.
KESPA built SC:BW into a huge money-making venture. (even though they are nonprofit there are obviously a lot of people making a lot of money off of BW) You could say that Blizzard ignored them all this time as though it's a bad thing, but by not demanding IP fees at the start it allowed the whole system to get off the ground without a crazy overhead. You can see Blizz as a benevolent giver who now wants a cut, or as a lazy profiteer trying to cash in once all the work has been done (people will choose one of these options based on their previous bias).
KESPA has proven itself historically to be a great boon for esports, but lets be serious we all know that they are also self-serving and eager to keep the game to themselves. They have charged broadcasting fees and boycotted GOM as well. They have always acted like a dictator and now that they power has seemed to shift they are unwilling to adapt.
GOM clearly wants SC2 to succeed so badly because they weren't ever able to get in with SC:BW because KESPA wouldn't let them. Now they hold the cards and they're being vindictive assholes right back rather than setting an appropriate example of how everything should be able to get along.
Rather than all of these idiots arguing with each other about whose esports dick is bigger they should sit down and try to work together for everyones' benefit. KESPA seems willing to negotiate some type of fee for IP so they need to work that shit out. We don't really know what the most contentious issues are for the parties involved. Whether it is the cost of the rights, the scheduling, the advertising, the players, etc. It seems to me with genuine interest in making a deal it should get done pretty simply. Scheduling isn't hard to work out, the players can pick what they want to play, mutual advertising will only build a bigger following as there is bound to be crossover between new SC2 fans to BW and BW fans into SC2 as a natural thing.
My point is just that while they all say there's nothing in it for any of them to help each other I think it's a lie. If they all get together and work together everyone will benefit as well as build goodwill with the fans that make the business possible in the first place.
Don't be mad with just Blizzard, or just KESPA, or just GOM. They're all wrong and it takes all of them being stubborn assholes to keep this thing ruining a potentially wonderful situation for all of US. As the saying goes it takes two to tango. There is not enough genuine interest yet from ANY party (imo) to actually settle something, it seems to me that KESPA will have to make the first concessions because they don't hold the power in this situation, but we can only speculate at what the end result will be.
Let's hope that we get to keep all the SC:BW we've come to love and that we get SC2 so that it can develop into something we love just as much.
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On August 31 2010 23:57 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 23:53 Nesto wrote:
what the hell...
Gretech... you think GSL would survive if you forcibly stop the proleague and force the disbanding of the proleague teams? imagine the outrage..
and for Kespa... simply fuck off... it just seems they only care about the money they make with SCBW and want to make sure, that they don't have any competition from GSL / SC2... kespa is nonprofit. Kespa is probably saying "fuck you" to sc2 cause they have emotional issues against Blizzard.
"KESPA" is only non-profit because its a giant ad campaign for all the sponsor companies; they aren't in it to make money because the point is to make money on products advertised
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On September 01 2010 23:47 junkacc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:44 Gregsen wrote:On September 01 2010 23:39 Seam wrote:On September 01 2010 23:38 Milkis wrote:On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years? Er..... You should probably try digging up some of the older threads. Would love to, not gonna lie, I'm not up to date on all this... Any chance you could point me in the right direction? I love it when people like you crash into a thread, not reading anything and hop to the last page instead to post their bullshit. Your question has been answered so many times. Read the fucking conditions that OGN had to agree with to come to an understanding with Gretech. Or just read the last page with letmeloses brillant post. Or just read the OP and understand it. Is it so hard? Read to page 9, which included 9 pages of "OMG BLIZZARD SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" and "OMG KESPA SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" So forgive me for not knowing the whole situation. I just gave you a hint with my post where you should start. So do it. He's american... enough said.
I apologize for not being able to choose where I was born =(.
I'll read more into it next time, didn't expect to be insulted for where I live after being willing to learn more.
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I support KESPA 100%...They are a non profit organisation doing their best to bring fans great entertainment..They've agreed to pay royalties, just like they did with blizzard (kespa V blizzard) but it seems like Gretech is towing the same line as blizzard did.
Such a shame, Gretech even wants us to pay 50dollars just to watch games online. That's like buying another copy of SC2.
I really dislike where this is going..I'm sure that's all blizzard/gretech wants to do..Take it to the courts and make a nonprofit organisation bleed money in legal fees.
Great strategy...if they keep it up then there will no longer be bw progame teams and the pros will switch to sc2....hahahaha
yay?
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On September 01 2010 23:50 Seam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 23:47 junkacc wrote:On September 01 2010 23:44 Gregsen wrote:On September 01 2010 23:39 Seam wrote:On September 01 2010 23:38 Milkis wrote:On September 01 2010 23:24 Seam wrote:
Maybe it's because I'm fairly new here, but Kespa has had YEARS to pay Blizzard so this wouldn't happen.
And Blizzard didn't even ask for much...they gave Gomtv rights for 1$...
So how is Blizzard in the wrong for finally being pissed off for being spat in the face for years? Er..... You should probably try digging up some of the older threads. Would love to, not gonna lie, I'm not up to date on all this... Any chance you could point me in the right direction? I love it when people like you crash into a thread, not reading anything and hop to the last page instead to post their bullshit. Your question has been answered so many times. Read the fucking conditions that OGN had to agree with to come to an understanding with Gretech. Or just read the last page with letmeloses brillant post. Or just read the OP and understand it. Is it so hard? Read to page 9, which included 9 pages of "OMG BLIZZARD SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" and "OMG KESPA SUCKS AND ONLY WANTS MONEY!!" So forgive me for not knowing the whole situation. I just gave you a hint with my post where you should start. So do it. He's american... enough said. I apologize for not being able to choose where I was born =(. I'll read more into it next time, didn't expect to be insulted for where I live after being willing to learn more.
Sorry, but was fed up with the same uninformed posts popping up over and over again, always with simpleton logic that betrays how uninformed and simple most poster's thought process is. And it doesn't help that your country is dominated by 5 second soundbites and dumb movies that portray everything in disneyland black and white good guy bad guy terms.
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On September 01 2010 23:50 PanzerDragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 23:57 Milkis wrote:On August 31 2010 23:53 Nesto wrote:
what the hell...
Gretech... you think GSL would survive if you forcibly stop the proleague and force the disbanding of the proleague teams? imagine the outrage..
and for Kespa... simply fuck off... it just seems they only care about the money they make with SCBW and want to make sure, that they don't have any competition from GSL / SC2... kespa is nonprofit. Kespa is probably saying "fuck you" to sc2 cause they have emotional issues against Blizzard. "KESPA" is only non-profit because its a giant ad campaign for all the sponsor companies; they aren't in it to make money because the point is to make money on products advertised
Yes. But KeSPA, as an organization that makes everything happen, is non-profit.
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just sad, gom trying to kill scbw and same time charge 50$ for one month to watch sc2 ... they are just a big joke
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