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Pliers
Canada42 Posts
On May 13 2010 12:07 29 fps wrote: hallucination sounds like a more reasonable alternative. hallucination recall. What would that accomplish? Or are you just trolling... Flash defends recalls so well it's like feeding him units, or even a single emp... Once he cleans up the recall it's time to push and P has no storm =/ | ||
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Shotcoder
United States2316 Posts
On May 13 2010 11:47 Nal_rAwr wrote: man Nal_rA did it with 1base reaver/shuttle this is actually quite good in PvT i, D level toss/terran, beat a B- terran with my own BO shuttle with reaver and 2 zealots used to mess with siege tanks, and bring in some goons when its safe to walk in and break actually if you got bonjwa control like nal_ra or nony or me, reaver+shuttle+2zeal can kill like 5 siege tanks and SCV's depending on positioning and micro aka the Reaver Bulldog? | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
On May 13 2010 13:23 YPang wrote: Flash summons some Vikings.protoss needs to call in the mothership. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On May 13 2010 10:53 saltywet wrote: this strat will only work if the protoss if very ahead of terran, like 6 base protoss to 2 base terran i remember there was this game by non pros where the protoss did this strategy when he was ahead, but the terran made a comeback and protoss lost the game in the end Are you talking about the Royal Stove game? | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On May 13 2010 11:27 mmp wrote: I agree that Protoss doesn't need any new tricks to win versus Terran. *cough cough* imba! :p But I think carriers are "gimmicky" in the sense that (1) you need a ton of resources (2) you need a lategame advantage to survive long enough (3) the longer they are unscouted the more potent (4) there is a large window of opportunity before you reach critical mass (5) you can't transition out of a mass carriers strat. The strategy of building a jillion stargates and then six or so carriers all at once, is always a bad one (though of course if you're super far ahead it's the easiest way to just win). Before you max, you can't afford the resources; after you max, you can't afford the supply. Gradually adding carriers off two or three stargates is a lot more reasonable, at any stage of the game (2-5 bases). Goon/Carrier, supported by HT and/or DT, is a strong composition. I prefer to stick with goon/obs/shuttle/zealot until I have a ton of bases, because teching arbiters/carriers takes longer and costs more than claiming additional expansions, opening up an easy window for Terran to attack or expand... but clearly a lot of Protoss don't share my opinion. Delaying arbiters does result in less mana for stasis, which is unfortunate once Terran hits 200/200. I like the DA --> steal SCV technique because it plays into that safe style of never making big transitions, and just expanding a lot and inching up the tech tree when it's convenient. | ||
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windofsword
Hong Kong92 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
On May 13 2010 13:59 windofsword wrote: just drink more pocari than flash does! no, ![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/2zof2vq.png) that was Midas drinking a 1liter. Pocari build is Flash only. | ||
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JDforever
China69 Posts
I agree. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
Hallucinate speed zealots or something, and then recall those hallucinated units + a mana-charged arbiter into a terran base. Then, the hallucinated zealots will eat the mines and a real recall can bring in the troops. You'll probably lose an arbiter but its better than losing all your troops AND the arbiter. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 13 2010 14:00 anch wrote: no, that was Midas drinking a 1liter. Pocari build is Flash only. + Show Spoiler + Flash would've lost worse than Midas | ||
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KingofHearts
Japan562 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
I see you are trying to be the #1 Flash anti-fan. Good luck, you have some hard competition. | ||
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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PhailSoBaller
United States281 Posts
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Plethora
United States206 Posts
Specifically, I kind of feel that regardless of strategies chosen most TvPs (that last till the midgame at least) come down to a Protoss player attempting to capitalize on a Terran misstep somewhere along the way. If the Terran pushes out too fast, flank and crush him, if he has sloppy positioning flank and crush him, if he neglects anti air, zealot drop and/or mass stasis him and crush him, if he doesn't defend his base well enough, recall and win. Conversely, a terran who reacts well to everything the Protoss can throw at him is exceedingly hard to beat. A terran who doesn't make any real mistakes is nigh impossible to beat. I feel like Flash is proving this point. A good Protoss is one who will bide his time, wait for an opening and pounce at just the right moment. But what if that opening never comes? What if there is no right moment, because you are playing Flash and Flash's army is ALWAYS well positioned, and is ALWAYS right where it needs to be. Its hard playing TvP as Terran because you can play a great game, do 99 out of 100 things correct, yet watch it all end in destruction because you sieged up at the wrong time and lost your army in a heartbeat. Its hard playing as Protoss because you just feel helpless when the terran doesn't give you the opening you've worked so hard to recognize and you realize its only a matter of time before the Terran Ball gets maxed and there won't be much you can do to stop it. | ||
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JewJewBees
United States87 Posts
On May 13 2010 15:26 KingofHearts wrote: how about recalling carriers and then recall carriers back? also corsair's disruption web is underused against terran ball.. i think corsair can kill vessels while making the terran ball ineffective. needed like 6 corsairs maybe? to put off 12 web or something Doesn't recalling carriers make the interceptors that were out while recalled fly back over the minimap? I remember this being the case for some recent TvP I saw. | ||
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vergibaby
United States20 Posts
all you got to do is out macro him.. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 13 2010 16:30 JewJewBees wrote: Doesn't recalling carriers make the interceptors that were out while recalled fly back over the minimap? I remember this being the case for some recent TvP I saw. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/36586_Flash_vs_Kal/main | ||
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