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On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering.
I think koreans are using the whole ''culture'' bit as a way to keep the world from playing on the same level as them. I mean no coach of any team likes to be bypassed and have their player bought from them, but it happens. The whole use of the ''culture",while its true koreans (aisians) in genral have a different culture when it comes to respect etc ... But its not as big as some would want us to beleive ... We (rest of the world) should just start saying it is a huge offence, in our culture for koreans to win all our tourneys, they should first ask other teams their permission before sending players. Of course they wouldnt - as the team managers wouldnt want them too ... the same aplies with this SMALL incident. He couldnt have bought Puma if he asked the manager.
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On July 23 2011 04:38 Seicianto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering. hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid. hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants. I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP. besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known? personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds. I agree on a level with you, you have a good point. Although he is still contracted to Team Liquid and every knows his affiliation with Team Liquid. In football (soccer), you wont get very often people from one team talking about something unprofessional on the business side of another rival team, as it would just start a slinging match that would last for existence. I do in a way feel sorry for Milkis, I don't think he really should have been on the show, I don't know how much he knows about business but he didn't seem too knowledgeable.
Xavi made a short comment about Fabregas and his possible transfer to Barcelona, and Wenger told him to shut up and stop being disrespectfull.
He had to apologice next day, because he was being an asshole and disrespecting Arsenal.
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i wish chill would have been on WoC to bring his opinion and calm down AG.
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On July 22 2011 21:27 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 21:18 Zlasher wrote:I don't believe that the basis that EG is truly evil should be made off of a news leak that followed a supposedly good conversation between Puma and his Coach. Especially since the news post was not made by EG themselves, on a player that is not yet signed. Also, blaming EG for not making a statement between the hours of 2:30 AM and 4 PM is obscene. Unlike Coach Lee or Europeans, that is not the proper time period for a statement that is to be made by an organization, not by SirScoots via twitter. Why should they make a short statement when a larger medium can be used to make such a statement. In real sports there are press conferences that happen a day or two later, do we bitch about how late the information comes or do we accept that it is the norm to use a larger platform to make an official statement? Would you be using the Blog section on TL to make your statement when you could be making a more public one? I think, and of course this is my opinion as I do not speak for others, that more obscene than any move EG makes is the lack of accountability in esports journalism. Whether someone is a paid journalist or a journalist by profession, if they put the article out than they are accountable for journalistic integrity. In the past, and currently in sports, if someone gets a leak in news they do not immediately write a news post themself with no legitimate statements from all sides. News leakers call up someone they know who is a TRUE JOURNALIST, takes in the information and gathers further comments required before posting out a large news article. If this is the standard in real sports then why can we not hold journalists to the same standard in esports? This is not even going into the fact that we have heard one side of the story which led to a MASSIVE hate bandwagon before anyone allows themself to hear the other side. Even to you TLO, EG's statement is seen as secondary, am I right? What if you had heard EG's side first and then the TSL commentary 24 hours later after a 150 page thread is created praising EG and blasting TSL? What if you had read this statement first? On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. I respect your opinion in the OP but I find trouble agreeing with you when constantly, journalistic integrity is broken. It is a standard that we have had in the past in esports, and have had in real sports, and something we have lost with the growth of Team Liquid's community driven news. My opinion? If you get news and don't want to be held accountable for the news post made, then forward the news you gather to a journalist who IS willing to gather further comments and IS willing to be held accountable for their journalistic integrity. It is something I, and many people have done in the past and should NOT be left out on Team Liquid. How hard can it be to make a short post about it? FXO does it, sixjax does it. Actually, EG are the only ones who don't. Saying its obscene to blame EG for not releasing a statement for 20(?!?!) hours and then attacking milkis for not trying to get EG's side of the story when he actually did try to get their side of the story, now that is unacceptable. Long terrible post with little logic.
AM i the only one that thinks 20 hours really isnt a long time? i remember when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, it still took like 36 hours before news of how bad theworst natural disaster in U.S. history came to my state. 20 hours to prepare a statement isnt long. especially if it's just to appease nerds on the internet
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On July 23 2011 04:38 Seicianto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering. hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid. hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants. I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP. besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known? personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds. I agree on a level with you, you have a good point. Although he is still contracted to Team Liquid and every knows his affiliation with Team Liquid. In football (soccer), you wont get very often people from one team talking about something unprofessional on the business side of another rival team, as it would just start a slinging match that would last for existence. I do in a way feel sorry for Milkis, I don't think he really should have been on the show, I don't know how much he knows about business but he didn't seem too knowledgeable.
this is starcraft, not soccer.
just because you sign with a team doesnt mean you give up your entire life.
sure some people, like kennigit, incontrol (maybe not as much incontrol) etc dont post what they think to save themselves all the drama but they could if they wanted.
Look at all the shit Idra pulls while as a member of EG. he always defends himself by saying that just him as a person and he never does it at a formal event while sponsoring EG.
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 05:01 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 21:27 zeru wrote:On July 22 2011 21:18 Zlasher wrote:I don't believe that the basis that EG is truly evil should be made off of a news leak that followed a supposedly good conversation between Puma and his Coach. Especially since the news post was not made by EG themselves, on a player that is not yet signed. Also, blaming EG for not making a statement between the hours of 2:30 AM and 4 PM is obscene. Unlike Coach Lee or Europeans, that is not the proper time period for a statement that is to be made by an organization, not by SirScoots via twitter. Why should they make a short statement when a larger medium can be used to make such a statement. In real sports there are press conferences that happen a day or two later, do we bitch about how late the information comes or do we accept that it is the norm to use a larger platform to make an official statement? Would you be using the Blog section on TL to make your statement when you could be making a more public one? I think, and of course this is my opinion as I do not speak for others, that more obscene than any move EG makes is the lack of accountability in esports journalism. Whether someone is a paid journalist or a journalist by profession, if they put the article out than they are accountable for journalistic integrity. In the past, and currently in sports, if someone gets a leak in news they do not immediately write a news post themself with no legitimate statements from all sides. News leakers call up someone they know who is a TRUE JOURNALIST, takes in the information and gathers further comments required before posting out a large news article. If this is the standard in real sports then why can we not hold journalists to the same standard in esports? This is not even going into the fact that we have heard one side of the story which led to a MASSIVE hate bandwagon before anyone allows themself to hear the other side. Even to you TLO, EG's statement is seen as secondary, am I right? What if you had heard EG's side first and then the TSL commentary 24 hours later after a 150 page thread is created praising EG and blasting TSL? What if you had read this statement first? On July 22 2011 19:41 Rekrul wrote:
Coach Lee is a hypocrite and a liar. The way he stole Fruitdealer and Tester from OGS in the past was far worse in terms of deceit, lack of business ethics, and backstabbing.
It's not my place to go into details, but all I can say is: Karma is a bitch. I respect your opinion in the OP but I find trouble agreeing with you when constantly, journalistic integrity is broken. It is a standard that we have had in the past in esports, and have had in real sports, and something we have lost with the growth of Team Liquid's community driven news. My opinion? If you get news and don't want to be held accountable for the news post made, then forward the news you gather to a journalist who IS willing to gather further comments and IS willing to be held accountable for their journalistic integrity. It is something I, and many people have done in the past and should NOT be left out on Team Liquid. How hard can it be to make a short post about it? FXO does it, sixjax does it. Actually, EG are the only ones who don't. Saying its obscene to blame EG for not releasing a statement for 20(?!?!) hours and then attacking milkis for not trying to get EG's side of the story when he actually did try to get their side of the story, now that is unacceptable. Long terrible post with little logic. AM i the only one that thinks 20 hours really isnt a long time? i remember when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, it still took like 36 hours before news of how bad the worst natural disaster in U.S. history came to my state. 20 hours to prepare a statement isnt long. especially if it's just to appease nerds on the internet
People affiliated with eg were tweeting about it, but no response came....
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On July 23 2011 04:50 Usagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:38 Seicianto wrote:On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering. hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid. hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants. I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP. besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known? personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds. I agree on a level with you, you have a good point. Although he is still contracted to Team Liquid and every knows his affiliation with Team Liquid. In football (soccer), you wont get very often people from one team talking about something unprofessional on the business side of another rival team, as it would just start a slinging match that would last for existence. I do in a way feel sorry for Milkis, I don't think he really should have been on the show, I don't know how much he knows about business but he didn't seem too knowledgeable. Xavi made a short comment about Fabregas and his possible transfer to Barcelona, and Wenger told him to shut up and stop being disrespectfull. He had to apologice next day, because he was being an asshole and disrespecting Arsenal.
True but that wasn't his purpose, he didn't say, "I can see why Fabregas wants to leave Arsenal, what a rubbish and immoral, they are just evil." Did he? Anyone and everyone knows how badly Fabregas wants to re-join Barca.
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I`m glad that TLO is indicating that TL would not have handled this situation the same way. While EG might not have done anything wrong in their own mind, their behaviour has led to a very negative view of their brand in Korea. This could be very damaging to their future business plans as many potential fans of an up and coming player like Puma will be put off.
The strange thing about it is that they could have addressed the issue so much sooner by simply sending an apology to manager Lee indicating that there was a misunderstanding and that they had not thought to contact him directly due to Puma`s preference. Then they could indicate that they would be willing to discuss the issue further and provide a Korean press release etc.
Instead, they responded by coming on a NA program, LO3, and defending their position there. Silly really. How does that help other than to somewhat decrease the response by NA and EU fans... who were not the ones that responded as negatively.
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On July 22 2011 20:53 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 20:51 Adebisi wrote:On July 22 2011 20:38 FXOpen wrote:
As I have said before, we should all love korea, because without korea starcraft is just a hobby. I don't think that's true at all, Koreans are the best at the game, but the success of MLG, Dreamhack and even NASL has proven that the foreigner audience is here, and if the audience is there, sponsors will come, and if teams can get financial support, they can create environments to foster talented players. If Korea really closes off to Foreign events they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO. If it wasn't for Korea, notably in brood war. The sponsors would not pay so much for sponsorship. Because the vision wouldn't be there. Its not a play on "Well without korea MLG wouldn't exist".. Facts are it would be behind by a few years and not nearly as successful. Koreans have done the ground work for the industry. We should respect that. They also do it best.
Not trying to call you out but I don't think you were around during Brood War to make that statement. The success of Brood War in Korea did not help sponsorship outside of Korea which refutes your claim.
The Koreans have been very insular for forever and they're very nationalistic, prideful people. You're lying if you say that the reaction of Coach Lee to Puma leaving for a foreign team didn't have undertones of xenophobia. He even remarked about Clide's twitter page having foreign fans and saying that disturbed him. I find those comments very naive and not functional in a global sport.
Let me create a hypothetical situation. Say the game of football (soccer) was just created. Let's go on to say in this story that Brasil has a thriving league with the best players and the competitive scene outside Brasil is non-existent. Could Brasil remain insular and still be self-relient? Absolutely. But would there be a La Liga in Spain, Premiere League in England, or Serie A in Italy? Would soccer be in the Olympics? Would children across the planet be celebrating it?
Yes, Brood War was successful in Korea, but it's not debatable that the Korean Brood War scene is marked with insularity (Note: allowing foreigner to come to their league is not a counterpoint to this claim). Brood War could have been globally celebrated.
Top brood war pros make six figures. In a global sport like basketball even C level professionals in Turkey make more than Brood War pros. You want to grow the game globally. It's uplifting and beneficial.
tl;dr
I really hope Korea doesn't shut down and become insular. That would be pretty sad. This game is already at the point where it can potentially be selling out stadiums. NBA and UFC didn't get to that point until more than a decade after their creation. Any attempt to curb the growth of a legitimate sport is pretty depressing.
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On July 23 2011 05:03 Seicianto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:50 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Seicianto wrote:On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering. hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid. hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants. I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP. besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known? personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds. I agree on a level with you, you have a good point. Although he is still contracted to Team Liquid and every knows his affiliation with Team Liquid. In football (soccer), you wont get very often people from one team talking about something unprofessional on the business side of another rival team, as it would just start a slinging match that would last for existence. I do in a way feel sorry for Milkis, I don't think he really should have been on the show, I don't know how much he knows about business but he didn't seem too knowledgeable. Xavi made a short comment about Fabregas and his possible transfer to Barcelona, and Wenger told him to shut up and stop being disrespectfull. He had to apologice next day, because he was being an asshole and disrespecting Arsenal. True but that wasn't his purpose, he didn't say, "I can see why Fabregas wants to leave Arsenal, what a rubbish and immoral, they are just evil." Did he? Anyone and everyone knows how badly Fabregas wants to re-join Barca.
By "Barcelona Standards" Fabregas is a player that was grown by Arsenal, and for a couple days, a few Barcelona players made comments, then Wenger told them all to shut up and they did.
Point is. Players shouldnt talk in management matters.
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On July 23 2011 05:12 Usagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 05:03 Seicianto wrote:On July 23 2011 04:50 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Seicianto wrote:On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering. hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid. hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants. I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP. besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known? personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds. I agree on a level with you, you have a good point. Although he is still contracted to Team Liquid and every knows his affiliation with Team Liquid. In football (soccer), you wont get very often people from one team talking about something unprofessional on the business side of another rival team, as it would just start a slinging match that would last for existence. I do in a way feel sorry for Milkis, I don't think he really should have been on the show, I don't know how much he knows about business but he didn't seem too knowledgeable. Xavi made a short comment about Fabregas and his possible transfer to Barcelona, and Wenger told him to shut up and stop being disrespectfull. He had to apologice next day, because he was being an asshole and disrespecting Arsenal. True but that wasn't his purpose, he didn't say, "I can see why Fabregas wants to leave Arsenal, what a rubbish and immoral, they are just evil." Did he? Anyone and everyone knows how badly Fabregas wants to re-join Barca. By "Barcelona Standards" Fabregas is a player that was grown by Arsenal, and for a couple days, a few Barcelona players made comments, then Wenger told them all to shut up and they did. Point is. Players shouldnt talk in management matters.
and maybe managers shouldn't attack community volunteers who did nothing wrong?
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On July 22 2011 23:14 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 23:06 zere wrote:
Milkis is first and foremost a fan, a community member, a contributer to ESPORTS. He is not a "journalist", he is also not "just a translator". Contrary to some other entities in our scene, he doesn't do things only for the money and the business, but because he wants to contribute and because he thinks people might find the things that he does (=mostly translating) useful.
Some imbeciles might not realize this, some shady people try to turn attention and blame on our good contributor here for their business sakes. Luckily, the StarCraft scene is quite bright and will not be blinded by these shades of distraction. These parties will get what they deserve, sooner or later. Don't turn on Milkis for no reason, you're going down. I think this whole affair shows quite the opposite and that the starcraft scene is rather blind to how business works. I think its unfair to blame milkis i would agree with that but the EG director was making a more broad point. Korea doesnt have sole rights on SC2, why should the international scene adhere to what the korean culture thinks is right. Korea should adapt to the rest of the world not the other way around if they are too stupid to contract their best player they deserve to lose him. I honestly am suprised and dissapointed at how much hate EG is getting for making a perfectly reasonable and fair business transaction. Im sorry if people think the world is honourable and all sunshine and rainbows but its not. So congratulations EG on picking up an awesome player and i hope to see him play in more foreign events .
Who made EG (or you) the voice of "the international scene". Because an american clan acts that way doesn't mean that every clan in the US or in any other country is gonna act the same way. If you go and buy a korean player in korea, it's no a huge deal to get a little info about their business practices/mentality and so on so you make sure the deal goes smoothly. Why should everyone adapt to the "western" way of doing things (take the money and run)? I'm not blind to how business works, no more than you are I'm sure, but I'm sure EG could have made that deal much more smoothly and respectfully of the korean way of doing business (and you can't blame TSL for that since they didn't know about it till the last minute....you could blame Puma but he's obviously too young to have a business background, he probably made a lot of mistakes there too).
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On July 23 2011 02:00 Beyonder wrote:
Oh man the best part about the whole EG-Puma debate was Milkis (a neutral party, translator) being attacked by the EG's Executive director on Weapon of Choice for not contacting EG about their stance, while all he did was translate (and provide an opinion on his own twitter). The hilarity in this situation is AMAZING. EG did not contact coach lee, EG did not try to explain anything, EG did literally nothing. So a translator should be responsible for EG public relations. Fail...
And remember what EG said last time with the TL-EG drama about participation in the EG team league? An official representative of EG made a thread on the tourney and simply said that TeamLiquid did not want to participate. When accused of providing misinformation, EG said "That is not our responsibility! Teamliquid should tell that themselves." And that was an official topic on their own tournament...
Hypocrits.
OMG i completely forget about that lol.
<3 TLO <3 Tyler. Thanks so much for sharing your views on the hole ...situation. Glad to see TeamLiquid has such great characters (of course i already knew that ).
PS: TLO, love your stram, MECH IT HAPPEN!
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Also want to say that it's pretty damn cool that a kid from Korea who wasn't making a salary before is going to get a big contract from a team halfway around the world to play the game he loves. That's fucking awesome. Hurray for Puma. I hope plenty of kids see that and continue playing the game they love bcause there's a growing market. #e-sports win.
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On July 23 2011 05:15 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 05:12 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 05:03 Seicianto wrote:On July 23 2011 04:50 Usagi wrote:On July 23 2011 04:38 Seicianto wrote:On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering. hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid. hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants. I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP. besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known? personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds. I agree on a level with you, you have a good point. Although he is still contracted to Team Liquid and every knows his affiliation with Team Liquid. In football (soccer), you wont get very often people from one team talking about something unprofessional on the business side of another rival team, as it would just start a slinging match that would last for existence. I do in a way feel sorry for Milkis, I don't think he really should have been on the show, I don't know how much he knows about business but he didn't seem too knowledgeable. Xavi made a short comment about Fabregas and his possible transfer to Barcelona, and Wenger told him to shut up and stop being disrespectfull. He had to apologice next day, because he was being an asshole and disrespecting Arsenal. True but that wasn't his purpose, he didn't say, "I can see why Fabregas wants to leave Arsenal, what a rubbish and immoral, they are just evil." Did he? Anyone and everyone knows how badly Fabregas wants to re-join Barca. By "Barcelona Standards" Fabregas is a player that was grown by Arsenal, and for a couple days, a few Barcelona players made comments, then Wenger told them all to shut up and they did. Point is. Players shouldnt talk in management matters. and maybe managers shouldn't attack community volunteers who did nothing wrong?
2 wrongs dont make 1 right
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It would have been fair if PuMa was on the "market" and everybody could make offers.
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I just wanted to say that as a fan of Mr. TLO i am very sad to see someone i respect resolve to "Team Bashing" on matters that have nothing to do with him. i understand we all have opinions but /sigh "come on"
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Well without all the crying drama between two organizations, Puma is getting a chance to make a lot of money doing something we all love and I think that is an important side of the situation we ignore. Puma wasn't contracted, he wasn't "owned" don't forget that. We've seen worse things in the business world go down in comparison to making a head coach sad.
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