My Thoughts on EG/Puma - Page 21

On July 23 2011 04:14 adeezy wrote:
Another thing I don't understand is people looking to defend EG, what's in it for you and how would you know if you aren't part of the organization. Just look at how much community backlash and controversy occured, if you still agree with their decision while acknowledging what has resulted, then you are just plain naive.

On July 23 2011 04:15 dere wrote:


Not bashing you but communication moves entirely way to fast for that now-a-days. Why would we EVEN want a lesser standard? I want as much information as possible as soon as possible.

I visit, TL, Reddit, wellplayed.org and players twitter accounts to get that information as soon as possible. I don't want to wait for a true journalist to spin a story out. You know the old saying there are a million sides of the story and I want to see all of them. I'll decide who the good guy is or bad guy.

1. EG wants a top level Korean player.
2. Top level Koreans come over to NASL finals.
3. EG hands out cards seeing if anyone is interested.
4. Puma is interested and talks to EG staff, when they find out he is open to the idea of working for them, has no contract and no salary they need to compete with they lay out what they are prepared to offer, Puma is interested but he wants to be the one to talk to his coach rather then EG, EG agrees.
5. Puma talks to his coach, coach isn't impressed and thinks that Puma and EG have gone and signed behind his back. (Please note that EG and Puma haven't signed or agreed to anything yet.)
6. Coach feels disrespected and starts this whole thing with his posts.
7. The standard drama fueled shitfest occurs.
8. EG finds out about all of this.
9. Coach clarifies what he meant / what happened as mis-communications start to get cleared up (hell he even throws Puma a goodbye party)
10. EG speaks out on Lo3, saying they didn't do anything wrong and they followed their potential new players wishs. (Again note that EG and Puma still haven't signed anything still.)
11. Dramallamas continue to frolic.
12. EG opens mouth and inserts foot re: what team liquid is for (while I agree partially with them this sure as hell wasn't the time).
13. Even more shit hits the fan as TL defends one of their own.

On July 23 2011 04:19 TheButtonmen wrote:


Another thing I don't understand is people looking to mindlessly bandwagon this, what's in it for you and how would you know anything if you aren't part of the organization. Just look at how much community backlash and controversy occured, if you still agree with the community mindlessly bandwagoning without even trying to get the facts while acknowledging what has resulted, then you are just plain naive.

Goes both ways.

On July 23 2011 04:27 adeezy wrote:


im acknowledging how much controversy and backlash is going on not just from the community but players like TLO who are acknowledging how bad of a move it was from EG. On the contrary youre just bandwagonning the defense it seems

Facts? If you want to look at the facts all signs point to EG being hte bad guys

On July 23 2011 04:20 QuasarStarcraft wrote:


Thats up to you but we listen to news because 99 times out of 100 true journalists check their facts. If they don't they lose their job. I'm not bashing anyone here but to say that you would rather hear information than wait a bit and actually know what is going on is just silly. We have this thing called slander which basically means if you are reporting false information about me I can sue you

On July 23 2011 04:26 sickoota wrote:
People are seriously misunderstanding what is required of journalism. Journalists have no obligation to wait for anyone to tell their story. What do you think "breaking news" would look like if you had to wait for everyone to get their PR division rolling? If you are late on your press release that doesn't mean journalists don't have a right to rely on the sources they already have to construct a story.

On July 23 2011 04:18 JadedKnight wrote:
I have to disagree with you TLO sorry. This is how professional sports team run (at least in America). If there is a player that's a free agent or on the waiver wire, other teams will try to snatch them up even without "caring about consequences towards third parties." EG had no responsibility to contact TSL regarding their attempt to acquire Puma IMHO!

Also, Milkis's tweet "Puma gets released from TSL due to Evil Geniuses" puts a bad image on EG that I feel is not deserving. It isn't due to EG. It is TSL's mistake of not locking a player down and is now paying the price for it. Plain and simple.

On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering.

On July 23 2011 04:28 TBO wrote:


can you point out the things in the playxp article which are false information?

On July 23 2011 04:29 Seicianto wrote:
Some may or may not disagree with me, but I don't feel like it is TLO's place to really comment on this situation, as being on a rival team to EG, it just doesn't seem right to me. I think that people are being extremely harsh to EG having the opinion that they are doing wrong and acting without morals and so forth, however I am of the firm belief that this is the fault of Korean teams own Naivety. It strikes me that the teams in Korea have an attitude along the lines of, "we don't need to contract players, nobody would ever take our players (as I'm guessing Korean find it "immoral" to take from other Korean teams) and why would a Korean player ever want to or think of joining a foreign team cuz the GSL is so super awesome." Well they just shot themselves in the foot as I see it, if there are no contracts, why should a team talk to the coach first, EG did the decent thing and suggested talking to the TSL coach. Also, creating an opinion as a lot of people did just off of the TSL's coach is extremely single-minded, as I'm sure the TSL coach is frustrated and had an outburst of sorts. EG do not need to apologise for trying to do business, I feel Alex on WoC made some very good comments while trying to remain profession. Btw, I have no preference of team, in case you are wondering.

On July 23 2011 04:31 QuasarStarcraft wrote:


I'm not saying anything in any article is false I'm just saying that I would rather people take the time to write up correct facts and be sure that they are correct than just yelling out everything they hear the minute they hear it

On July 23 2011 04:34 TBO wrote:
#

As a general statement I can agree with this, however in this specific context Milkis got attacked for translating a correct statement from a reliable source (playxp) who themselves had a reliable source (Coach of TSL).

On July 23 2011 04:34 Condor Hero wrote:

hes not speaking as a spokesperson as liquid.
hes just the player and this is a public forum so he can say what he wants.
I think he was especially upset about milkis getting ambushed on WoP.
besides EG doesnt give a shit what other people think why shouldnt he make his opinion known?

personally, and i think i speak for a lot of people, i like it when pros speak their minds.

On July 23 2011 04:20 QuasarStarcraft wrote:


Thats up to you but we listen to news because 99 times out of 100 true journalists check their facts. If they don't they lose their job. I'm not bashing anyone here but to say that you would rather hear information than wait a bit and actually know what is going on is just silly. We have this thing called slander which basically means if you are reporting false information about me I can sue you

On July 23 2011 04:23 Antoine wrote:

first of all the goodbye party was way before step 9, it was before step 6 from every indication.
Also despite the fact that no contract was signed, at least coach lee and likely puma felt it was concrete enough to go forward with this.

I would say that the point at which eg should have contacted coach lee is after step 3 and before step 4, before laying out their offer.