EPTMy Thoughts on EG/Puma - Page 23
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Nicolas
114 Posts
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Pr0spect
Sweden32 Posts
I find this sad, people should embrace the fact that Puma got sponsored and EG for actually giving Puma a chance to travel the world and attend the major SC2 events outside of Korea. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:22 integrity wrote: I just wanted to say that as a fan of Mr. TLO i am very sad to see someone i respect resolve to "Team Bashing" on matters that have nothing to do with him. i understand we all have opinions but /sigh "come on" then how do you feel about the executive director of a team bashing the shit out of a translator whos not even part of a team/organization? | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
The thing that got me was when djWheat asked AG on WOC whether in retrospect, would he have contacted the coach directly? He said no. What I don't understand is why he wouldn't knowing that it is what the coach would've wanted, knowing that doing so would've avoided most of this drama at basically the cost of a couple minutes of his time. For a guy that has preached about EG spending years building infrastructure for e-sports, building ties with the community, you wouldn't even do this? I know "the plan" was to have Puma talk to the coach but when reaching out to players in a unfamiliar environment, at least try to show you care. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:28 Condor Hero wrote: then how do you feel about the executive director of a team bashing the shit out of a translator whos not even part of a team/organization? i came here not to make a comment on how i feel about the whole debacle but to tell TLO that I personally, as a huge fan of TLO have lost a little respect for him for "team bashing" on matters that truly don't concern him. idk.. it just feels petty | ||
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:37 integrity wrote: i came here not to make a comment on how i feel about the whole debacle but to tell TLO that i personally as a huge fan of TLO that i lost a little respect for him for "team bashing" on matters that truly don't concern him. Sorry but anything which can damage the scene as a whole concerns him. And publicly bashing the volunteers this scene is built upon when they did not do anything wrong is something which concerns him a player as well as a member of this community. EG plays hardball on contracts saying that it's the fault of the koreans if they don't have contracts - okay fine. But then at the same time they demand a fluffy utopian media world where everyone does what they want? And if people don't act like EG wants, they call them unprofessional and appeal to their responsibility. Sorry but neither TSL nor Playxp nor Milkis signed any contract with EG to not talk about factual correct developments. EG can't be all that hard cold corporate like on the contract side and then demand kindergarten rules on the media side, that's not how it works. If EG does not want bad press they should sign contracts guaranteeing that no major news site will post stories about them before they got EGs side of things. And they better pay a compensation. And they are better be prepared that there will be a public uproar about that because that is not how journalism works. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On July 23 2011 03:42 TheButtonmen wrote: ...I'm so glad the TL community actually reads and finds out what happened before jumping to conclusions. Puma has not been signed with EG. There is nothing signed between Puma and EG. Puma is the one who requested that EG does not contact his coach. Again here is to the best of my knowledge how everthing went down based off of the 2 translated interviews, AGs statements on WoC and Xeris comments about EGs recruitment at NASL. Stop twisting the facts with your own bias. Puma didn't request anything. AG and Puma talked and decided it would be best for Puma to talk to the coach himself. It's interesting that AG brings up the fact that he has talked to the management of 3 different korean teams in the past but evidently it did not work out. So now he mixes it up and talks to the player directly and voila. From my perspective it's quite obvious he wanted to avoid talking to the coach because he knew it would upset him (obviously no one wants to lose their best player). | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:41 Slasher wrote: I'm not fucking Zlasher. you tell em slasher! =) | ||
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:41 Slasher wrote: I'm not fucking Zlasher. But S and Z sound so similar. I'm not convinced. | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:43 JoeSchmoe wrote: Stop twisting the facts with your own bias. Puma didn't request anything. AG and Puma talked and decided it would be best for Puma to talk to the coach himself. i do understand why it is so wrong if the player decided that it would be best if he himself talked to the coach? it was pumas wishes....would it then be immoral if AG went behind puma back and talk to the coach anyway? | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:28 Pr0spect wrote: I think only here on Team Liquid you'd see people hate on organizations and players that actually wants the scene to grow, and players accepting offers to give them better living conditions, and more exposure. I find this sad, people should embrace the fact that Puma got sponsored and EG for actually giving Puma a chance to travel the world and attend the major SC2 events outside of Korea. I'm 100% sure everyone here would be happy with Puma joining a "foreigner" team such as EG, Root, Teamliquid, etc. If it was under better conditions. You're really missing the point here if you think that's all there is to it. - Anyway, I'm not as informed on the issue as some others, but even if Milkis did something wrong (which seems like bullshit, he's just translating, and he's allowed to speculate even if he wasn't just translating), he has my support for all the thing's he's done for TL (english -> english). TLO hasn't been one to talk shit without any reason to, and the same goes for Tyler. From what I've read of the issue in several different threads, it just seems like something legal, but underhanded, and a little bit dirty. You don't build a brand that people want to cheer for this way. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:30 JoeSchmoe wrote: The thing that got me was when djWheat asked AG on WOC whether in retrospect, would he have contacted the coach directly? He said no. What I don't understand is why he wouldn't knowing that it is what the coach would've wanted, knowing that doing so would've avoided most of this drama at basically the cost of a couple minutes of his time. Here's why: Multi-page drama threads on Teamliquid are meaningless whining, and it's not worth going out of your way to prevent them. You're welcome. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:28 Pr0spect wrote: I think only here on Team Liquid you'd see people hate on organizations and players that actually wants the scene to grow, and players accepting offers to give them better living conditions, and more exposure. I find this sad, people should embrace the fact that Puma got sponsored and EG for actually giving Puma a chance to travel the world and attend the major SC2 events outside of Korea. Of course. Because Korean teams don't want the scene to grow. They're in it for campfires and marshmallows. Can't believe the amount of people that can't even stick to the issue here : I don't think anyone argues about any player having to accept an interesting financial offer but that is not the subject at all, the whole discussion is about how things were handled and it fucking screams : poorly. Yeah it's great for Puma. Yeah it's great for EG. What about TSL, players, coach or what not ? Well they dedicate their life to Starcraft but they don't drop enough cash on the table so screw them, no cash = no respect. Plus their posts are written in korean, that's so again the growth of e-sports. | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:57 bonifaceviii wrote: Here's why: Multi-page drama threads on Teamliquid are meaningless whining, and it's not worth going out of your way to prevent them. You're welcome. I'd take the thing one step further, they're so naturally good at creating drama that I sometimes believe so many silly statements and childish behaviour cannot be entirely hazardous and is part of a superbly elaborated PR machine. But I might just be paranoid. I love them (well, not all of them, but some), it's just sometimes they're so tactless it's saddening (and that might be why I prefer to believe in my PR conspiracy theory and give them the benefit of the doubt). Fool me once, etc. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On July 22 2011 21:18 Zlasher wrote: I don't believe that the basis that EG is truly evil should be made off of a news leak that followed a supposedly good conversation between Puma and his Coach. Especially since the news post was not made by EG themselves, on a player that is not yet signed. Also, blaming EG for not making a statement between the hours of 2:30 AM and 4 PM is obscene. Unlike Coach Lee or Europeans, that is not the proper time period for a statement that is to be made by an organization, not by SirScoots via twitter. stopped reading there. 2:30 AM, "AMERICAN time." while everyone on TL was live streaming GSTL. just solidifies the fact that EG has no respect for the Korean scene. Scoots was awake and made a random tweet. AG was awake and reading the thread in question but chose not to post a single clarifying content until it blew up. Incontrol tweeted an announcement of an "important" announcement on his twitter and trolled everyone awaiting a real response with a useless tweet. and then EG goes on the EG show and says everyone but them is acting unprofessionally? | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:41 Slasher wrote: I'm not fucking Zlasher. Listen here Zlasher, we don't need you getting all upset because people are criticizing your posts in this thread. Jeez....  | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On July 23 2011 06:07 eggs wrote: stopped reading there. 2:30 AM, "AMERICAN time." while everyone on TL was live streaming GSTL. just solidifies the fact that EG has no respect for the Korean scene. Wait not watching the GSL live at 2:30am means you don't respect the Korean scene? Seriously? | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:41 Slasher wrote: I'm not fucking Zlasher. The real Zlasher is a julyzerg lookalike Olololol Also the biggest EG fanboy I have EVER met XD | ||
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