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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
Personaly, I`m all for legalization, but a lot of people think that use of cannabis leads to harder drugs, so I can see their point. So, I wonder what are the laws in your country? Is there a minimum ammount with which if you get caught, no one will make problems, or you cannot poses cannabis at all?   | ||
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Dr. Tran
United States125 Posts
I'm in Seattle, WA and in this city, cops really don't care if you get caught with "personal" amounts of weed (2-4 grams.) Funny thing is, getting caught with weed here is less of an offense than a parking ticket. Edit: Ah, forgive me, California is voting in November. | ||
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RedPanda
United States11 Posts
 also in a neighboring county, if you get caught with an ounce or less in a single bag, the cops will just fine you 100 bucks and send you on your way. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
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Dr. Tran
United States125 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:34 blue_arrow wrote: In certain areas of BC Canada, cops grow their own weed all the time <3 BC, love everything about it. | ||
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Roxen000
1226 Posts
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love1another
United States1844 Posts
 Gaizzzzzz weed is bad! They're like cigarettes in that smoking them puts tar in your lungs! Then 10/20 years later you're like 'aww damn, now my lungs suck.' Imagine all the olympic athletes we lose every year to this scourge! | ||
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Roxen000
1226 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:41 love1another wrote: Gaizzzzzz weed is bad! They're like cigarettes in that smoking them puts tar in your lungs! Then 10/20 years later you're like 'aww damn, now my lungs suck.' Imagine all the olympic athletes we lose every year to this scourge!Smoking anything is not good for your lungs. Marijuana does no harm to your lungs. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
EDIT: I think the correct word is 'decriminalised'? | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:43 Roxen000 wrote: Smoking anything is not good for your lungs. Marijuana does no harm to your lungs. He was being sarcastic referencing Michael Phelps I believe. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:13 mdb wrote: Recently the laws in Bulgaria have become very harsh regarding the use of weed. I mean even if you get caught by the police with very small ammount (1-2 grams or less) you`ll have big prolems. You may even go to jail for some time. Personaly, I`m all for legalization, but a lot of people think that use of cannabis leads to harder drugs, so I can see their point. So, I wonder what are the laws in your country? Is there a minimum ammount with which if you get caught, no one will make problems, or you cannot poses cannabis at all? The argument that marijuana leads to harder drugs is a complete joke. This is the fault of the middle school health class curriculum which confuses kids by grouping marijuana with other illegal drugs. "Look at this list: meth, cocaine, heroine, and marijuana, all illegal substances that will destroy your life" Kids quickly learn that marijuana is no big deal and immediately begin questioning 1) the law and 2) everything they were taught which may lead them to try harder drugs If marijuana was in the same category as alcohol, no body would associate marijuana with hard drugs. The vast majority of my stoner friends would never get into harder drugs and strongly advise against it. Also, if anybody tries to use that "Marijuana is a gateway drug" argument, just cite the Amsterdam case when once marijuana became semi-legal, harder drug usage actually went down. And yeah, laws here in California are quite chill on marijuana possession (selling is different though) Most local cops who may catch you smokin outside usually just take your pot, stomp on it, then give you a warning. They usually just say "keep it indoors next time." I'd say a great majority of minor pot offenses are just warnings, unless you get caught getting high in a car. You may still get a warning but most likely you'll have to see a judge and he'll force you to either 1) pay a fine or 2) go to "MA" meetings (marijuana users anonymous) and get your card signed and then you're off free | ||
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Ixas
930 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
^ In Portugal marijuana was decriminalised a while back. The results? Drug use went down significantly. "Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does." Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana. The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well. Where I live (Sydney) cops just want to bust big (wholesale) dealers. They don't really care if people smoke weed or not, and judges will throw cases out of court if it's below a "traffickable amount". | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
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WinHouse
Australia58 Posts
There no evidence for this at all in the slightlest. It's just propaganda. Also alcohol is stastically the most damaging drug there is. It's obviously class war motivated. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On May 27 2010 17:21 snotboogie wrote: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html ^ In Portugal marijuana was decriminalised a while back. The results? Drug use went down significantly. "Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does." Compared to the European Union and the U.S., Portugal's drug use numbers are impressive. Following decriminalization, Portugal had the lowest rate of lifetime marijuana use in people over 15 in the E.U.: 10%. The most comparable figure in America is in people over 12: 39.8%. Proportionally, more Americans have used cocaine than Portuguese have used marijuana. The Cato paper reports that between 2001 and 2006 in Portugal, rates of lifetime use of any illegal drug among seventh through ninth graders fell from 14.1% to 10.6%; drug use in older teens also declined. Lifetime heroin use among 16-to-18-year-olds fell from 2.5% to 1.8% (although there was a slight increase in marijuana use in that age group). New HIV infections in drug users fell by 17% between 1999 and 2003, and deaths related to heroin and similar drugs were cut by more than half. In addition, the number of people on methadone and buprenorphine treatment for drug addiction rose to 14,877 from 6,040, after decriminalization, and money saved on enforcement allowed for increased funding of drug-free treatment as well. Where I live (Sydney) cops just want to bust big (wholesale) dealers. They don't really care if people smoke weed or not, and judges will throw cases out of court if it's below a "traffickable amount". Never heard about this. Cool beans. Around Ontario, marijuana is technically illegal, but this law is laxly enforced. Most times, people are looking for big time dealers, and even then some kid running around with a half-pound was never as much of a problem as someone dealing chemicals or something. For weed, police are mostly concerned with grow-ops. Re: marijuana as gateway drug, I was a huge pothead in high school and the connections I made through weed provided access to other drugs, but I was psyched to do anything psychoactive at that time in my life; pot didn't change my attitude toward other drugs at all. A lot of my friends, who initially swore off anything besides weed or alcohol, basically relaxed that position whenever they saw someone else - usually me - on something higher in intensity. Since then, I haven't even smoked pot in about two years, getting drunk sporadically, whereas a lot of my other friends range from being cokeheads, ecstasy fiends, or full-time alcoholics, in addition to being potheads. i.e., although "marijuana as gateway drug" has an atom of truth to it, it's more of a person-to-person thing. | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
I've been a patient for about two weeks now and it really seems to be helping. I have different strains for day-time and night-time and for anxiety and insomnia. In general, I feel much happier and relaxed and, the more I do research into marijuana's use medically, the harder I find it to believe why so many people demonize it. | ||
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RandomAbuse
187 Posts
On May 27 2010 17:17 Ixas wrote: Death Sentence. lol This ^^ | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
I just looked it up in wiki and its true... damn... What's the reasoning behind this? Why is the law so hardcore down there? Anyway if OP or anyone else are interested in official info about legality of cannabis, heres the wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country seems to be up to date. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19129 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:43 Roxen000 wrote: Smoking anything is not good for your lungs. Marijuana does no harm to your lungs. Wat? Marijuana does harm your lungs slightly aswell since you're smoking something, Mary Jane heats up to some huge numbers when smoked which can injure your lungs. Edit: Which is why you should bake it! :D | ||
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Atlare
Australia893 Posts
On May 27 2010 18:50 Catch]22 wrote: Wat? Marijuana does harm your lungs slightly aswell since you're smoking something, Mary Jane heats up to some huge numbers when smoked which can injure your lungs. Edit: Which is why you should bake it! :D Smoking ANYTHING hurts you're lungs, its not the actual drug in Weed that gets the lungs its the process. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2743 Posts
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
Weed is even less harmful as far as "hobbies" go because i'd imagine you smoke far lesser amounts of it to feel satisfied... Or am i wrong here? I don't practice weed myself so i very well could be. | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
But then again, getting shitfaced every morning with a bottle of whiskey is perfectly legal, its a cultural thing. | ||
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Spinks
South Africa23 Posts
Noone may legally possess it,sell it or use is. It is not even allowed for medical purposes and if cause with any amout, you will be heavily fined or even serve time in jail. The fine and prison time wil depend on the amout you are caught with.. So its safe to say that there is a no tolerance approach to weed. Some companies even fo frequant drug tests just to see if empoyees do weed. | ||
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On May 27 2010 18:49 Nyovne wrote: It's great to be dutch. I don't get why alcohol and tabacco is legal and weed isn't pretty much everywhere. marijuana and other drugs are only illegal so that the price stays artificially high. in this way the CIA and other cartels maximize their profits. there is also the ability to ostracize any nation who has a drug trade. for instance, columbia and other s american nations' cocaine operations offered convenient excuses for the US economic hit-men to enter the country in the 80s under the guise of "cleaning up the place" when in fact they just wanted to control the nation's resources, markets, and take the drugs for themselves to sell in the US. | ||
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omg.deus
Korea (South)150 Posts
I currently have 4..5...6? I dunno I lost track of these ridiculous 100 dollar fines...when I get caught with marijuana I say to the cops face that he is wasting tax payer dollars and I know that there is nothing he can do to make me pay the fine. In some areas of Massachusetts the police don't even bother ticketing because they know it's futile. In Quincy, MA I got caught and got the sergeant so angry he started yelling at me the top of his lungs..yeah...never got a ticket there. ONE of my tickets I got I have to pay because the police found a way to get around the vague language of the new law. What they do is bring u to small claims court and sue u for the 100 dollars that you owe in the ticket...what's insane is that it costs like 30 dollars to file a small claims...PLUS however much it costs to have an officer in court that day...it definitely costs more than 100 tax payer dollars to collect that 100 dollar ticket. its nuts...oh and it's small claims so the absolute worst thing that can happen if I don't show up is I just have to pay the 100 dollars...and thats exactly what happened...I didn't show up and I just ended up having to pay the 100 bucks...if I showed up I would have lost a day of work and had to pay the 100 bucks anyways....the marijuana law in ma is silly | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On May 27 2010 19:12 omninmo wrote: marijuana and other drugs are only illegal so that the price stays artificially high. in this way the CIA and other cartels maximize their profits. Pfft, don't be silly! The CIA would never deal with marijuana! Weed is bulky and hard to smuggle and the profit margins are too low per kilo. Heroin and crack cocaine are the CIA's cash commodities of choice. (See the books by Alfred McCoy and Gary Webb for details). Keeping cannabis banned is just their way of clamping down on the competition. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
Here in Germany we have the Betäubungsmittelgesetz BtMG. In general, if you are a dealer you will be punished much harder than if you are just owning it. As far as I know, if you get caught with <5g police will take it from you and some state attorney will send you a letter that the crime you committed is not that big of a deal so they wont get to court. My roommate just got such a letter, there it was like "And remember, using drugs is bad and if you get caught again you will probably go to jail" bla bla If you have more than 5g you are fucked (I dont think you have to go to jail immediately, you will have to pay some fine ) because as an convicted felon you get an entry in your criminal record. Good luck getting a job then t.t | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
Often times though it`s simply overlooked by police. | ||
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On May 27 2010 19:27 Aim Here wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 27 2010 19:12 omninmo wrote: marijuana and other drugs are only illegal so that the price stays artificially high. in this way the CIA and other cartels maximize their profits. Pfft, don't be silly! The CIA would never deal with marijuana! Weed is bulky and hard to smuggle and the profit margins are too low per kilo. Heroin and crack cocaine are the CIA's cash commodities of choice. (See the books by Alfred McCoy and Gary Webb for details). Keeping cannabis banned is just their way of clamping down on the competition. touché | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
they got me once and destroyed the small amount I had with me and then let me go, but the police is not so corrupted in my city. as for some large amount you can be setenced to make community jobs or even go to jail... | ||
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DemiSe
883 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:34 blue_arrow wrote: In certain areas of BC Canada, cops grow their own weed all the time lol pretty much. I haven't been caught with it, but unless you get an asshole cop they usually just take it away(and probably smoke it themselves later...) as long as you don't have a whole crap load of previous offenses. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
 Just another way to keep the poor man down! *pumps fist* | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
I think our law here about weed or any illegal drug is pretty tight..though most of the time people can just get away with it by bribing the police or by paying bail out. Sometimes the NBI would step in and raid a drug house. | ||
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FlopTurnReaver
Switzerland1980 Posts
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SoManyDeadLings
Canada255 Posts
If it wasn't for weed, I wouldn't have tried something other things. Albeit it was only very small amounts and on 2 occasions only, but the point is that I wouldn't have tried anything if it wasn't for weed. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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WeSt
Portugal918 Posts
25 grams of weed 5 grams of hashish / cannabis extracts I've been caught several times with weed / hash and nothing happened really (except one time where the cops were assholes)... I'm seeing less and less use of weed among teenagers in comparison to the late 90's. Seriously, it's not about it being illegal or not, it's about propaganda at schools and most importantly GOOD PARENTING. My parents know I've been smoking marijuana for years and they don't disaprove. I don't take hard drugs. Gateway drug theory is bullshit... many of my friends smoke pot and they aren't crackhead junkies. Police is busting coke / heroin dealers and they don't care about some 18 year olds smoking some joints after school. Guess what? It works. | ||
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peanutter
Australia165 Posts
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lowbright
308 Posts
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beg
991 Posts
On May 27 2010 18:49 Nyovne wrote: It's great to be dutch. I don't get why alcohol and tabacco is legal and weed isn't pretty much everywhere. it's also great to live next to the netherlands :D .. ah i love the netherlands so much. this thread makes me wanna drive to holland NOW, LOOOL. guess i'll go tomorrow. | ||
Chill
Calgary25969 Posts
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
On May 27 2010 16:43 Roxen000 wrote: Smoking anything is not good for your lungs. Marijuana does no harm to your lungs. This is just me being pedantic, just forewarning. The actual contents of Marijuana does not harm your lungs, there have been studies that excessively heavy users can have some issues with regards to their behaviour/psyche, but I'm talking about something in the order of an ounce (I could never take that much) or more a day. The way you smoke it also depends on whether or not it damages your lungs, there's quite a harmful rumor that 'holding the smoke in' helps you get more high, when in fact almost instantly the THC has already made it into your blood via your lungs, and all you're doing is holding in the smoke. This smoke can cause pretty awful damage if you keep on doing it over a long period of time. It's by no means nowhere near as bad as cigarettes or alcohol, but it's not harmless. The extra 'high' that people often talk about when they hold the smoke in is actually the result of simply holding their breath, and perhaps a little bit of the placebo effect. But anyway, legalise it, I find it pretty shocking that people can do far worse crimes in the USA, but dealing Marijuana is considered more serious than sexual assault in some cases. Heck, even treating drug use as just a health problem and not a criminal problem would free up so many of the US' jails to hold actual criminals. Nothing is without it's risks, but as people I think we should have a right to choose what we can put into our bodies, this coffee I'm drinking is probably killing my short term memory (caffiene has been linked to effecting short-term memory in a recent study), but I'm still drinking it, because it's my goddamn choice. I trust the government to keep the roads paved (hilariously enough Western Australia has profoundly awful roads compared to other countries, such as Germany), my water clean and provide me with other basic menial services, but I don't trust them to tell me how to live in every way imaginable. On May 27 2010 21:44 Piy wrote: The gateway drug theory has very little evidence in its favour. Do people still use that argument? That stuff is so 90's. On May 27 2010 19:02 Skvid wrote: IMO the damage done to lungs from smoking is slightly overrated, they do make them all black eventually but as long as you dont smoke a pack+ per day (im talking about cigarettes here) i doubt you are really that much in a risk of destroying your lungs. Uh, sorry, wrong. Smoke contains carcinogens in it, and I mean any type of smoke from organic matter (like Tobacco), it damages the alveoli of your lungs, causing them to collapse, and can result in emphysema (basically turns your lungs into swiss cheese). Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco_smoking#Chemical_carcinogens All it takes is a few cells to take some genetic damage as well as the body to screw up when removing said cells, and you've got uncontrolled cell division and the beginnings of lung cancer. Even just a few cigarettes a day can sky-rocket your chances of lung cancer. You don't have to smoke a pack a day to suffer any damage, which is why second hand smoke is a serious issue. The link between smoking and cancer, among other things such as increased blood pressure, strokes, etc. has been proven, there's no argument about it, it's as air-tight as gravity and evolution (can of worms opened up). | ||
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beg
991 Posts
only small amounts of THC get absorbed by the lungs, so holding the smoke in does sound logical. do you have any sources for your claims? thought experiment: if you'd exhale the smoke and inhale it again, more THC would be absorbed. why wouldn't more THC be absorbed by holding the smoke in? Do people still use that argument? That stuff is so 90's. *cough* german government *cough* ... they paid someone to make a study that came up with these results and even though every other study says otherwise they still throw this shit at us | ||
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k20a
Canada412 Posts
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/03/police_balk_at_ticketing_marijuana_offenders/ On May 28 2010 03:58 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Shrewmy, secondhand smoke is just a myth. Tests have proven that secondhand smoke does not cause cancer. Even one study that said right on it "Don't believe the others! Secondhand smoke kills!" says right on the second page that the tests came back inconclusive, and that there are no correlations between secondhand smoke and any lung problems. I haven't done much research but wikipedia (and the many studies it cites) disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_hand_smoke | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
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omg.deus
Korea (South)150 Posts
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YoureFired
United States822 Posts
On May 27 2010 20:47 ghen wrote: Legalizing weed reminds me of the drug used to placate all the Deltas in A Brave New World Just another way to keep the poor man down! *pumps fist*Those deltas seem so strange... but at least they're better than those epsillons | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
On May 28 2010 04:25 AraqirG wrote: Here is Massachusetts USA, state law was recently changed to be a max of a $100 fine. Additionally, the law is so poorly written it is almost impossible to enforce. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/03/police_balk_at_ticketing_marijuana_offenders/ I haven't done much research but wikipedia (and the many studies it cites) disagree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_hand_smoke Don't state things without doing the research. Wikipedia is biased and quite wrong, those studies cited in that very article actually contradict what their trying to prove if you read them. | ||
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