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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 02 2010 20:20 GMT
#21
I have to agree wholeheartedly, the SC2 map editor is garbage. I wasn't even trying anything fancy, all I did was place a bunch of units and then I wanted to add a few simple triggers (something that I am quite familiar with). In the end I gave up, I don't want to waste so much time on learning how to use this thing.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 02 2010 20:20 GMT
#22
Longest post ever..
nice read though X_X
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Shade692003
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-02 20:25:18
May 02 2010 20:21 GMT
#23
On May 03 2010 05:17 unit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 05:12 IskatuMesk wrote:
On May 03 2010 05:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Great post, I think it's critical that modders respond in this fashion because good mods will ensure an extended lifetime for sc2. I hope blizzard reads your posts and thinks about the issues you bring up without getting offended xD


I already made a (much more polite, bullet-pointed) post on their forum about the subject of the editor. No response, of course.


i never considered blizzard to be a company that would disregard the wishes of its customers until this sc2 beta...what happened to them that they are making sc2 like a command and conquer game...it LOOKS nice but it has so many glaring flaws that they claim are "fine" such as the high ground "oh it makes sense this way"-browder despite that its clearly broken and also the holy trinity and the entire hard counter system...they also have weakened units such as the archon to make them useless except in a handful of situations...what is blizzard doing i feel at this point as though a sc2 promod may actually be needed for the game to be truly successful and i dont want a split community that would result from that TT


Stop being a sheep that eats alive every pretty long posts with images in TL. All these things (high ground, marauder/immortal/roach, "hard counters") have been discussed to death already. People at TL are constantly looking for things to blame at SC2. The "problem du jour" at first was MBS and Unlimited Selection, after that when people got bored of it, it switched to the "hard counter problem du jour", then the "serious discussion" thread popped up after that with those 3 units. Hard counter came back. Now the lastest trend is "micro is dead".

Can't wait to see next month's big sc2 problem.
I hate the post below mine because it feels War3-ish.
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
May 02 2010 20:22 GMT
#24
Great blog post, 5/5. Hopefully, they make mods for the SC2 editor that fix the shitty presentation.
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gEzUS
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada371 Posts
May 02 2010 20:23 GMT
#25
omg i gotta make this into a video
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
May 02 2010 20:23 GMT
#26
On May 03 2010 05:17 unit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 05:12 IskatuMesk wrote:
On May 03 2010 05:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Great post, I think it's critical that modders respond in this fashion because good mods will ensure an extended lifetime for sc2. I hope blizzard reads your posts and thinks about the issues you bring up without getting offended xD


I already made a (much more polite, bullet-pointed) post on their forum about the subject of the editor. No response, of course.

what is blizzard doing i feel at this point as though a sc2 promod may actually be needed for the game to be truly successful and i dont want a split community that would result from that TT


I think what's more likely to happen is a dota-like clone will appear and steal much of the userbase like wc3. But not much telling right now. The expansions could change quite a lot.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
May 02 2010 20:24 GMT
#27
This is one of the most substantial and interesting blog postings I've read in the past year overall on TL.

I read every word, when I started reading there were no replies, now there's 22.

The sounds/voices are terrible in general. I find myself annoyed after 3 games with terran over the scvs, I feel like punching somebody in the face every time he says "In the rear with the gear!" for some reason that voice and others annoy me. Sounds in general are not as distinct and epic. the sound of a siege tank sieging in Sc1 was literally insane. It meant death, it meant destruction. When you hear that sound it became sort of a signifying sound of epic destruction. Sounds of tanks sieging in Sc2 isn't unique or epic in that way and doesn't seem to draw that "oh shit" reaction from me. Nothing in sc2 draws that "Oh shit" reaction and I also seriously agree with the Vulture/Reaver argument. Perhaps the most strategically deep units in sc1 replaced with units that are very linear and shallow. Units that require simply attack moving, and units that are unaffected by terrain of the map. Colosi just walking over the map requiring no unique control or creativeness.

Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
May 02 2010 20:24 GMT
#28

Wow i have learn so many things.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
May 02 2010 20:25 GMT
#29
On May 03 2010 05:12 IskatuMesk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 05:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Great post, I think it's critical that modders respond in this fashion because good mods will ensure an extended lifetime for sc2. I hope blizzard reads your posts and thinks about the issues you bring up without getting offended xD


I already made a (much more polite, bullet-pointed) post on their forum about the subject of the editor. No response, of course.

Can you link us to this?

Maybe if enough people pointed this out blizzard will actually listen.
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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
May 02 2010 20:26 GMT
#30
Wow. That was a good post. StarCraft 2 is worse. Though the people who are going to buy it mostly won't even understand how good BW was and will think SC2 is still pretty awesome.
Welcome to the Durst-Zone
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
May 02 2010 20:26 GMT
#31
Holy shit, is that your senior thesis?
Now time to read...
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
May 02 2010 20:27 GMT
#32
On May 03 2010 05:25 Nemesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 05:12 IskatuMesk wrote:
On May 03 2010 05:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Great post, I think it's critical that modders respond in this fashion because good mods will ensure an extended lifetime for sc2. I hope blizzard reads your posts and thinks about the issues you bring up without getting offended xD


I already made a (much more polite, bullet-pointed) post on their forum about the subject of the editor. No response, of course.

Can you link us to this?

Maybe if enough people pointed this out blizzard will actually listen.



http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=24630623479&sid=5000
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
May 02 2010 20:29 GMT
#33
Epic post man

Like, i know absolutely nothing about this subject, but the way you posted forces me to agree with everything you said, regardless of whether i know anything about it or ont
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
May 02 2010 20:32 GMT
#34
This is a very excellent post that addresses some very real issues. I particularly agree with the sound one. I could not believe it is so much WORSE than BW sound. Sometimes the BW sound effects don't get noticed that much, but I started to better appreciate it when watching progaming games, when the ob view is suddenly changed to a FPVOD perspective and we suddenly hear the sound effects of units. That was AWE-INSPIRING. I was like HOLY SHIT I NEVER KNEW BW HAD SUCH GODLY SOUNDS WTF. If SC2 were just another random video game its sound could pass but I mean this is the successor of SC1. I wouldn't dream of having it surpassing it but at least give us something comparable.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
May 02 2010 20:32 GMT
#35
gotta agree with you on the disorganized data editor

took me forever to find the value to change the size of my units =.=
( ・´ー・`)
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
May 02 2010 20:38 GMT
#36
Have you looked at the Civilization modding community? It's very active, and Civ 4 was designed to be fairly easily moddable (or so I've heard).
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-02 20:40:20
May 02 2010 20:40 GMT
#37
Anyways. I admire your dedication to modding and how much effort and time you've invested into it despite the problems. I played around with "modding" a little with C&C Red Alert but otherwise cannot say much about your comments on the editor, except that your example screenshots comparing datedit and the sc2 editor are pretty striking in illustrating the large difference in interface between the two.

On the subject of mechanics though, I entirely agree. I'm not very excited about SC2 at all, and part of it is because of the things you mentioned - how a player's skill can get a tremendous amount extra mileage out of the same unit (not merely just a little extra utility). As well, the immortal, in particular, nullifies what would have been viable options from other races, and the marauder is such a no-brainer choice in every situation that's powerful and not too fragile...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
genwar
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada537 Posts
May 02 2010 20:40 GMT
#38
I really liked the part about the editor I myself did a little bit of playing around with Sc1 custom editors(not much) but I could still pull some things out. The Sc2 editor is just a clusterfuck of mess. Really good post except really the part about reavers/colo/mines doesn't really fit in as everything is really just about how bad the editor is.
IskatuMesk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada969 Posts
May 02 2010 20:45 GMT
#39
On May 03 2010 05:38 triangle wrote:
Have you looked at the Civilization modding community? It's very active, and Civ 4 was designed to be fairly easily moddable (or so I've heard).


Honestly I've never played Civilization much less modded it, but I've heard a few times about the modding community. If this doesn't pan out I might check it out to see what else I can do with my time (I'm gonna be waiting for Titan Quest's sequel and maybe try X3: Terran Conflict).
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
May 02 2010 20:46 GMT
#40
nice read im playing SC2 and it lack a lot of thing
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