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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On June 10 2011 22:00 Jackal58 wrote: If you are a vigilante put your gun away. We may very well need you later in the game. Are you trying to save yourself? Ever since you've got painted as the next target at the top of the list. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 10 2011 22:18 teamsolid wrote: Are you trying to save yourself? Ever since you've got painted as the next target at the top of the list. Herp derp away man. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On June 10 2011 22:18 teamsolid wrote: Are you trying to save yourself? Ever since you've got painted as the next target at the top of the list. what list are you talking about? | ||
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
I think he's referring to XKCD's scum list | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
As well as the lynch list. Again, a lot of discrediting of other posts without real analysis, wishy-washy posts, all signs are pointing to scum. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On June 10 2011 23:30 teamsolid wrote: As well as the lynch list. Again, a lot of discrediting of other posts without real analysis, wishy-washy posts, all signs are pointing to scum. Who have I discredited? When have I been wish washy? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote: Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now, So long and thanks for all the fish! HOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMAD + Show Spoiler + HOW MAD? god i feel vindicated. looks like my sleuth-nose didn't need to be blown, i had the scent from day 1. anyways the only person that is *actually* cleared at this point is [green]kurumi. i don't know if that's a good thing because it means we have no reason to lynch him and shut up his spamming now, but it's nice to have a poster to rally behind. that being said, i think this also clears up [green]pyo, myself, and potentially [green]sprungjeezy. it would be INCREDIBLY stupid to bus the godfather, and pyo and myself have been harping him since day 1. sprungjeezy jumped on a bit late but he was passionate and convincing. again, in a close vote like that, the mafia would have NO reason to bus their godfather. now we get onto the next part. i CANNOT believe that amazingxckd flipped blue of all things. i'm not too worried about it because he's a terrible player. in a close vote between 2 people where HIS ASS IS ON THE LINE, he voted for a third party. there are no words for that kind of stupidity. here's another thing. since we've now had this happen twice in 2 days. IF YOU ARE ON THE LYNCHING BLOCK AND YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM YOUR ROLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i realize that somewhere in his novels amazingxkcd made a soft-claim on detective saying that he KNEW that kurumi was town. but do you honestly think that's enough? how many people actually read that shit? at best, half the town skimmed it. a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT" because that would actually get read. and yes, it means that you *might* get killed by the mafia that night. but if you were going to die via lynch, it's better that we lynch someone else that could be mafia instead i just seriously don't understand what amazingxckd was accomplishing by voting for jackal. mind = blown at his stupidity. so where do we go from here? i think someone pointed out a couple pages ago that in a close vote race, it's incredibly unlikely that *any* mafia voted for iGrok. while it's not solid, and there's some major WIFOM to consider, i think that we should focus mostly on the people who voted for amazingxkcd for our analyses now and can we please keep them under 29034820932038 characters from now on? i don't know why TL.net players have this propensity to try to up each other, but you can say just as much in a 1-page essay as you can in a 10-page essay with the amount of fluff you guys write i'm out to play a couple games in a LoL tourney but i will be back to analyze some of the people who voted for amazingxkcd later. hopefully medics are considering protecting me and seriously, how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now? | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 11 2011 09:44 gtrsrs wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 15:31 iGrok wrote: Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now, So long and thanks for all the fish! HOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMADHOWMAD + Show Spoiler + HOW MAD? god i feel vindicated. looks like my sleuth-nose didn't need to be blown, i had the scent from day 1. anyways the only person that is *actually* cleared at this point is [green]kurumi. i don't know if that's a good thing because it means we have no reason to lynch him and shut up his spamming now, but it's nice to have a poster to rally behind. that being said, i think this also clears up [green]pyo, myself, and potentially [green]sprungjeezy. it would be INCREDIBLY stupid to bus the godfather, and pyo and myself have been harping him since day 1. sprungjeezy jumped on a bit late but he was passionate and convincing. again, in a close vote like that, the mafia would have NO reason to bus their godfather. now we get onto the next part. i CANNOT believe that amazingxckd flipped blue of all things. i'm not too worried about it because he's a terrible player. in a close vote between 2 people where HIS ASS IS ON THE LINE, he voted for a third party. there are no words for that kind of stupidity. here's another thing. since we've now had this happen twice in 2 days. IF YOU ARE ON THE LYNCHING BLOCK AND YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM YOUR ROLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i realize that somewhere in his novels amazingxkcd made a soft-claim on detective saying that he KNEW that kurumi was town. but do you honestly think that's enough? how many people actually read that shit? at best, half the town skimmed it. a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT" because that would actually get read. and yes, it means that you *might* get killed by the mafia that night. but if you were going to die via lynch, it's better that we lynch someone else that could be mafia instead i just seriously don't understand what amazingxckd was accomplishing by voting for jackal. mind = blown at his stupidity. so where do we go from here? i think someone pointed out a couple pages ago that in a close vote race, it's incredibly unlikely that *any* mafia voted for iGrok. while it's not solid, and there's some major WIFOM to consider, i think that we should focus mostly on the people who voted for amazingxkcd for our analyses now and can we please keep them under 29034820932038 characters from now on? i don't know why TL.net players have this propensity to try to up each other, but you can say just as much in a 1-page essay as you can in a 10-page essay with the amount of fluff you guys write i'm out to play a couple games in a LoL tourney but i will be back to analyze some of the people who voted for amazingxkcd later. hopefully medics are considering protecting me and seriously, how mad do you guys think iGrok is right now? No need to be an ass. Also, in defense of xkcd, he technically wasn't losing the lynch vote so I can understand why he didn't claim. I do feel a little bad for iGrok because the accusations against him really were arbitrary (we read his attempts at being manipulative more as him being a douche), which among more experienced players shouldn't have garnered the attention it did among newbies. Unfortunately, he didn't really respond to the pressure very well and ended up tipping off GGQ which is what ultimately swayed most of the town. In other words, I think more of the credit goes to GGQ for bringing forth the real evidence against him, rather than you or I for simply jumping on suspicious behavior. As for your other points of keeping your posts short, organized and WELL FORMATTED, I agree completely. Same deal with your point about blues letting themselves get lynched. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
Lurkers/low post counts: Aril + Show Spoiler + day 1 - kurumi day 2 - jackal58 doesn't like voting for freeloader defends accusation by cherubael says he won't be on tomorrow and is voting ahead of time makes a huge long list of random people - a ridiculous post combining "this will get me killed" and a huge long list of people, some of which are confirmed townies sets up a script to parse posts - again says "yay for getting mafia killed because only a stupid confirmed townie would post this" Munk-E + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - lafali Day 2 - amazingxkcd analysis of freeloader, lafali, aprudds, TheAwesomeAll goes after lafali long analysis of amazingxkcd cherubael + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - freeloader Day 2 - amazingxkcd agrees with accusation of freeloader again agreeing with accusation of freeloader further aggression against freeloader; aggression toward Aril when he defends freeloader aggression against 35spike says case against xkcd is stronger than case against iGrok; aggression against supersoft; appologizes for inactivity all around overly aggressive to everyone. I've sort of rethought my original position on him. he's probably not mafia (it would be odd for them to go around attacking everyone). blackone + Show Spoiler + Day 1 - freeloader Day 2 - amazingxkcd admonishes iGrok for haikus analysis of freeloader; doesn't really reach any conclusion points out that the voting for rookie is stupid defends treadmill from kurumi accusation (don't remember context so can't interpret) points out my errors in logic, says i might be scummy for trying to get the possibly existent 3rd target to keep quiet confused by kurumi saying random shit explaining vote for amazingxkcd after kurumi harasses him more detail on why xkcd - says iGrok is probably GF, but case against xkcd is stronger others: Alderan + Show Spoiler + day 1 - rookie day 2 - xkcd Defends freeloader as misguided town again assess freeloader as just being new explains that what kurumi does is not good says that xkcd's first post is bad (stating the premise of the game) points out xkcd's aggressive defense list of suspicious people - first accusation of xkcd; also identifies grush as suspicious formatting clarification responds to iGrok's advice declares his vote for xkcd; points out a contradiciton by iGrok joke post attempt to convince others not to vote for freeloader welcomes impervious to the game disagrees with TranceStorm response to being called scum by jackal isn't convinced rookie is blue-fishing warns rookie that he'll get lynched if he doesn't defend himself isn't convinced rookie is scum, but still votes for him for lack of a better target disagrees with impervious about protecting experienced people under suspicion as mafia are likely to keep anyone under suspicion alive suggests that if we have a medic that medic should decide for themselves who to protect says that it is not jackal's fault that everyone bandwagoned rookie again advocates lynching xkcd advocates voting for xkcd, but keeping an eye on jackal and iGrok explains vote for rookie as having missed the blue-tell says xkcd should repost analysis of iGrok "oh fuck" in response to xkcd flipping blue "Wow..." in response to iGrok flipping GF teamsolid + Show Spoiler + day 1 - freeloader day 2 - jackal58 thinks freeloader is suspicious, but warns against latching onto random posts and picking at tiny details; says mafia would likely be people that are lurking suggests dt check for senj because of bandwagoning on rookie comments on only 2 dying praises GGQ's dying words; says only person we have solid evidence on is xkcd. Acknowledges that iGrok could be GF, but would be a big loss to town if he was town; thinks mafia would be lurking seconds impervious's defense of iGrok (later post says he meant to quote heist's defense of iGrok); says that he doesn't think that any of iGrok's posts are suspicious. (CONTRADICTION: if they aren't suspicious, why do you acknowledge that iGrok could be GF). brings up Ver's guide; says xkcd's post was good and analyzed people well; says he doesn't think xkcd is mafia anymore because why would mafia waste time making epic long postl decides to look into jackal more further defends xkcd; points out that some think xkcd is DT says a jackal post is scummy, defends xkcd, votes for jackal because he thinks xkcd is DT says he was right about xkcd being DT (good read btw - I actually missed the discussion on xkcd possibly being a DT) says jackal is top of his list; suspicious of Sprungjeezy, me, 35spike for "discrediting" xkcd; says later votes for xkcd are suspicious if iGrok flips GF says I suck ;( responds to me wondering why xkcd didn't save himself (turns out he shouldn't have had to, but w/e) senj + Show Spoiler + day 1 - rookie44 day 2 - amazingxkcd defends freeloader defends iGrok because iGrok is the only one to provide analysis so far is suspicious of Jimbooo because of arguments brought up by TranceStorm bandwagons on rookie after Jackal's misread defends his rookie vote timing (given that xkcd is blue, i guess it could be a coincidence) defends voting for rookie apologizes for inactivity long analysis post about Jimbooo and him being indecisive about voting during day 1, but doesn't explicitly accuse him but points out his indecision - ironic given that the post itself is him being indecisive. pointing out that Jimbooo has disappeared from TL responds to Kurumi asking if we should vigi shoot grush responds to kurumi and TranceStorm says he is still voting for Jimbooo, but is worried that he'll get modkilled so will analyze xkcd and iGrok finds it weird that both iGrok and xkcd defend themselves; notices a slight contradiction between iGroks's statements; but as of this point it looks as if an iGrok lynch is inevitable complains about tdAdonis's lack of posting. encourages xkcd to defend himself explains why he is voting for xkcd - "His day 1 activity, especially the first post and then several after attacking others for making fluff first posts are my basis here" "Wow. I couldn't have been more wrong about anyone this game." Probably refering to all three of his accusees (rookie, jimbooo, xkcd) heist + Show Spoiler + day 1 - amazingxkcd day 2 - Jimbooo thinks freeloader's last two posts were suspicious confusion about rolecounts confusion cleared up justifies making an inactives list diverts attention away from iGrok toward grush57; analyzes grush's posting history to be mostly one-liners advises people who voted for freeloader to reconsider; pushes going after lurkers; says grush, supersoft, lafali, amazingxkcd, and gtrsrs are suspicious. Says there are two strategies for how town should vote day 1 - doesn't make much sense posts vote counts and wants to know why people voted for monstrerDrakar and Drazerk criticizes supersoft's arbitrary vote. wants to get supersoft's read on the other person who voted monsterDrakar (Xedat) "mafia will do whatever it takes to seem like a townie" bad formatting making a quoted post look like his own; admonishing xkcd for being defensive and casting suspicioun on everyone and bandwagoning drazerk; says xkcd and rookie have similar chances of being scum clarifies formating from previous post really doesn't want people voting freeloader; really going after xkcd noticed lafali unvoting freeloader after bandwagon started to change; noticed jimbooo did the same thing; accuses jimbooo, suggests killing xkcd as well. declares that he's gunning for jimbooo his expreience defense that iGrok can't be GF because mafia wouldn't kill off a townie supporter of the GF (ignores the fact that iGrok had heat on him, so it was perfectly reasonable to try to establish cred) says person who was hit should acknowledge that they were hit and survived. long defense of iGrok. Seems like he's going really far out of his way to defend him. it's clear heist really doesn't like me. says kurumi is probably town given that xkcd flipped blue | ||
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Impervious
Canada4147 Posts
a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT I may have had something to do with that. -_- | ||
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Impervious
Canada4147 Posts
On June 11 2011 09:44 gtrsrs wrote: a much better approach would have been to post "I AM THE TOWN'S DETECTIVE, DO NOT LYNCH ME, I'LL PROVE IT TONIGHT I may have had something to do with that. -_- | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 11 2011 10:37 Pyo wrote: No need to be an ass. Also, in defense of xkcd, he technically wasn't losing the lynch vote so I can understand why he didn't claim. I do feel a little bad for iGrok because the accusations against him really were arbitrary (we read his attempts at being manipulative more as him being a douche), which among more experienced players shouldn't have garnered the attention it did among newbies. Unfortunately, he didn't really respond to the pressure very well and ended up tipping off GGQ which is what ultimately swayed most of the town. In other words, I think more of the credit goes to GGQ for bringing forth the real evidence against him, rather than you or I for simply jumping on suspicious behavior. As for your other points of keeping your posts short, organized and WELL FORMATTED, I agree completely. Same deal with your point about blues letting themselves get lynched. no like i said the very first time i played as godfather i did the exact same thing, so i saw right through it i think i may die tonight. just finished my LoL shit, gonna read up on some posts and throw out some FoS's On June 11 2011 12:00 Impervious wrote: EBWOP fucking quote tags. I may have had something to do with that. -_- explain please | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
In that game, he posted without fear, pointing out logical fallacies in other people's arguments, making witty comments (often one-liners), and accusing other players freely. This game, however, he is far more cautious and reticent in all of his posts. Note that he only ever speaks about the players most hotly debated at the moment and only throws small support behind lynching one of the candidates. In fact, the only matter which he seems to strongly support is iGrok's innocence. The first point of suspicion against him is here: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2011 03:08 iGrok wrote: Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order): Me ^^ Jackal58 Vain GGQ Kurumi Treadmill 35spike1 CrJninja Xedat aprudds Actually, looking back, I'm going to put my vote on Drazerk, for twice voting without saying shit. (He might've posted once or twice, but absolutely no substance, only bandwagonning). iGrok puts him on the top of his don't lynch list yet Vain had not been too particularly active in that period. My second point of suspicion (and my strongest one) is my earlier post against him: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 10:04 TranceStorm wrote: @Vain. I'm not particularly concerned about your defense of Lafali. My question regards your vote for rookie on day1. You first post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500¤tpage=28#554 concluding that Jackal's analysis of rookie was not sufficient. I'm cutting this out of your post here: Then later, you switch your vote to rookie roughly an hour later saying: Only roughly an hour passed between these two posts. During this period, rookie had not posted and no one had brought up any new reasons as to why to vote for rookie.Yet you vote for rookie on the basis that: "His posts didn't really contribute and now with the knowledge of that there is a thread for mafia alone freeloader isn't really a viable option too. " That in no way is a justification to vote to lynch someone. Simply because they didn't contribute should not justify a vote and considering that there were other candidates with significant evidence against them (which you seem to ignore), it seems highly suspicious that you jump right to rookie's vote when you earlier argued that he "didn't ring your scum bell". I had done this earlier in the thread where I had questioned him regarding why he voted for rookie when he had declared an hour before that rookie wasn't particularly suspicious. His reasoning in the thread was that he "hadn't contributed anything at all", which is a poor reason to lynch anyone. He has still yet to explain his reasoning behind the rookie lynch and I find that damning. The third point comes from this quote, which Vain belatedly posts near the end of yesterday's lynch: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2011 09:43 Vain wrote: So basing off this i would believe very strongly Kurumi is town. There was no real reason for him to attack lafali this hard on day one. The plan could have easily backfired. Also i'm not sure about iGrock now but i can't get one thing out of my head. Remember the whiteboard iGrok posted? why the fuck would you have such a thing if you are mafia? I just can't believe he just painted arrows that had to be right just to give us an insurance he was town(otherwise hats off to you iGrok). Furthermore the list pleads for Xedat for him emphasizing kurumi thought lafali was scum. And as last this puts a bit of suspicion on Trancestorm for diverting to jimboo. you may conclude some other things from the list but it gets more and more speculation on the way(was it all setup or not). Now last but not least my vote goes to jackal. I believe iGrok or jackal have to be scum. There has to be at least one experienced player in the mafia camp in my opinion. I have my doubts about iGrok but i feel jackal has more things against him(saving lafali) so my vote will go with him. You make your own choice, it would be very bad if we bandwagoned in a short time again. This post is enormously confusing, but boils down to two arguments. Vain doesn't think iGrok is mafia because he drew up those diagrams (a very weak argument), and Jackal is probably mafia because he saved lafali (a valid one). Yet note the hesitancy in this post. Vain votes Jackal on the basis that he is a better candidate than iGrok rather than on the basis that he really thinks Jackal is the mafia. Vain's carefulness is really different from his free-posting behavior in his previous game which makes me think that he is definitely mafia. It would be extremely prudent to pressure Vain on his vote on rookie and on his reasoning for his continuous defense of iGrok throughout the game. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4147 Posts
I seriously didn't expect that we'd target both DTs on day 1 as main candidates, and then actually kill both of them by the end of the next day. -_- | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 11 2011 12:11 Impervious wrote: When we lost both medics, I made a post saying "if you're DT, DO NOT ROLECLAIM"..... I seriously didn't expect that we'd target both DTs on day 1 as main candidates, and then actually kill both of them by the end of the next day. -_- What? What do you mean by "both DTs?" | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
the other main mafia candidate for me is still grush57. i looked through his last ~15 posts in this topic and they were ALL < 3 lines except for 1 which was 3 lines. none of them have anything of value at all, except the one that's 3 lines. in that post he declares that mafia likes to stay quiet so as to divert our attention. this is fallacious. mafia likes to actively lurk so we target the quiet people and they blend in. with ~15 posts that say nothing, a pressure vote on me, and ultimately a vote for amazingxkcd, i'm sticking with my gut that grush is mafia grush or vain hopefully take a bullet tonight, if not, we need to lynch one of them for sure tomorrow. my next biggest candidate is treadmill, followed by abrupps and teamsolid. town list for sure is: pyo gtrsrs trancestorm xedat kurumi jackal | ||
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