EPTcome on buddy, BC is not getting lynched. you have stated your suspicions and I will watch closely with you on BC's play. but lets do some real scum hunting today please.
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
come on buddy, BC is not getting lynched. you have stated your suspicions and I will watch closely with you on BC's play. but lets do some real scum hunting today please. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + -pushes anti town plans - wants to lynch all liars -attempts to undermine town plans -spends way to much time on ambers role -brings up GM’s first question post which was not town oriented. Uses to confirm GM as town -answers GM’s last questionnaire which was not town oriented Hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + -blindly agrees with almost everything vets say/far too sheepish -spends too much time on keeping conversation around ambers role -after town has moved on from ambers role attempts to drag conversation back to it - Tackster -Multiple cases again him in thread already, see those. prplhz + Show Spoiler + -wants LaL when it was agreed it doesn’t work in this setup -sheeps kita, sandroba and possibly others who are being pressured strongly at any one time -aggressive posting while offering no substance -defends tackstar, who barely has any heat on -answers gm’s questionnaire which was not pro town -says if tackstar is innocent sand is scum (no way of knowing this) -refuses to justify his read on sandroba(sheeping) while defending tackstar far too much for day 1 Rean + Show Spoiler + -relatively inactive -attempts to bring ambers role back up as town is moving on -sums up information already said. bartundar -inactive as hell for a vet and offers nothing substantive but rehashing things we have stopped talking about Now, obviously this is generalized and after a passthrough of the entire thread. There are others I have my eye on, but they are for different reasons. For day 1 purposes these players have all been extremely unhelpful or detrimental. Of the lot Varpulis has also contributed to constructive discussion so I would be satisifed leaving him alive for another day. Bartundar should also live another day to see if his inactivity will be a day 1 affair or a serious issue. His alignment should be gleaned fairly quickly based on his participation in thread. Of the group I would suggest we discuss the possibilities of lynching prplhz who has done very little constructive posting. Most of his posts have been sheeping others. He was for anti town ideas, and blindly defends tackstar without any real reason for it, while claiming one of tackstar and sand must be red. No one can know this for sure unless they already knew the role of one of or both of these players. I will be voting on him until he provides me with a suitable excuse for his shoddy play. If someone else would like to take a closer look at someone else on this list, or nominate another person by all means. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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BloodyC0bbler
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On June 01 2011 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote: No, but there's a difference between being aggressive in your posting and just being insulting and rude. But whatever. Teach me how awful I am, if you think you can. And if you're alive that long. You have outright claimed once, and now soft claimed a completely different role. You have an issue with me being insulting yet then proceed to do the exact same thing. You have been very contradictory so far all game. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On June 01 2011 13:42 VisceraEyes wrote: You guys can lynch me if you want, you've seen the questions, the answers are irrelevant. If everyone answers them, we'll have a LOT to go on as far as scum-hunting goes. If some people answer them, you'll have some to go on. If no one answers them, then mafia already won. This is just a bunch of WIFOM. Quite frankly there has been plenty of times for funny day 1 quizzes, there strength is to give people a reason to post in the beginning, with about 12 hours to night post it's not going to bring valuable information. On June 01 2011 14:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I fail to see what is so pro town about a guy that just quotes and votes. Quite frankly it would be terrible town play by any measure. He started the Sandroba train and has been awol since. Pro-town..besides me (herp)....I'd have to say Amber. He's going to a lot of effort to contribute so far, and most of it has been relevant imo...by which I mean, I agree on most of his vaguely communicated reads so far. I also feel like Node is green. He's at least giving us his opinion, and most of it is fair that I've read. On June 01 2011 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: @BloodyC0bbler Tell me this list-guy. Why do you think I'm supposedly on the dog's unverified list? I have no idea, as I'm obviously inexperienced and, as you say, terrible...but I suspect it's because he either knows my role or my alignment. You don't like the attention? | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Bartundar should also live another day to see if his inactivity will be a day 1 affair or a serious issue. His alignment should be gleaned fairly quickly based on his participation in thread. Will be a lot easier for me to keep up once thread slows down. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On June 01 2011 08:48 redFF wrote: sigh..Do i really have to explain this to you. My memory is foggy and i really can't be bothered to convert korean times to eastern but ill try to explain. Last night I pm'd amber with a list of players and asked him to quote the list and wiggle his tail for town and grr for scum. He then quoted a post by gm about zodiac lists, bolded the zodiac list part and then bolded a bunch of player lists. I checked my pm's early this morning before I went out and saw what he did. I got home at like 4:30 today and went on irc, so i've been on irc for about 3 and a half hours...(its 8 now) I pm'd amber for confirmation that he wanted me to post his zodiac list and he wiggled his tail, so i did...Please stop lol. He apologizes with a foggy memory for things that happened 1-3 hours ago. I would have believe that if he said he was extremely drunk. Also if Amber answered his PM, it means Amber was online. Why didn´t Amber post even once in the thread? I do hope Amber will talk again sometime today. Until then I´m assuming Amber can´t talk because of your role power. On Tackster, I find it hilarious that people actually say he is all over TL posting and spamming. If you check his profile it say 3 posts in the last 7 days. All of which are obviously in this game. I agree on his low posting quality though. He will probably not make town MVP, but in my book he is an inactive player more than everything else. I am puzzled by tnkted however. He is taunting us with his invulnerability. [b]Absolute Invulnerability[/b], to be precise. Strange, but arguing about that is essentially wifom. Town would do that because of a power complex, and scum would do that because it´s a nice bluff. If he is indeed invulnerable, it would automatically mean he is town and not the mole, because a freaking invulnerable scum would be kinda op. So no, I don´t think he is invulnerable at all. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On June 01 2011 01:16 bumatlarge wrote: ... If my memory serves me correctly, I played a standard-ish game with redFF in it. He was very forward and direct. He's doing that now, and his role is harmless unless he's trying to contact moles and such. I highly doubt that, that because why would he claim then? redFF, just like kitaman, is not giving me a vibe. And I already stated that tnkted has a peculiar role, but unlike redff, I see no apparent town benefit. I would still rather lynch tnkted rather then anyone on your list, but his role seems very... traceable. I think reasons to lynch him will make themselves apparent via his role if he is scum. For that reason, I'm going to put my vote on sandroba since amber is giving off town vibes like a radioactive scumhunting puppy. And he can't push sandroba himself so maybe I can assist. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote: That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line. I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. Now bad ideas can be a common town trait, as no mafia intentionally lays out a bad idea to try to make town follow it. But they will try to give us something to make it seem like contributions. That's often why it's important to look into bad plans, like I did with varpulis. Only varp has been much more active and noticeably has been improving his post content. Sleeper Cell has revealed that sandroba can be the sly-est of the sly. The guy is not stupid, and I think amber pointed out posts that have thought process flaws. Aside from his plan which he ditched fairly quickly, he grasped onto the policy portition. Policy is for people who can't think and use common sense. Policy is a word for scum who want to add fluff to there posts. Policy policy policy policy. I am so town! Sandroba offends my eyes with his doggedness (woah!) of this policy, and plus it's LAL, which can go suck a lemon. Amber can I get permission to push this scum for you? So let me get this straight. Your reasoning for pushing my lynch is the following: You think Amber is town and he's voting for me so I must be scum right? No. So you say bad plans are a town trait but since I've been inactive for some time taking care of rl stuff I must be scum right? No. Also I since believe LAL is good for town and I'm opposed to claiming without info on scum I must be scum right? No. And because I can be the "the sly-est of the sly" when mafia that must mean I'm mafia this game right? Again no. Your reasoning for pushing my lynch are pretty bad, you try to hide behind Amber for pushing my lynch and as a vet considered to be a very good player you should no better. When the wagon started to form you've gone mia and hasn't posted any opinion after that. | ||
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sandroba
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
I'm most suspicious of Meapak at the moment. He posted a long post to improve thread readability in the start, but has since succumbed to way simpler posting. He asks BC and bum to calm the thread down, but doesn't do it himself. He is eager to answer the quiz questions by visceyes, and even happy to give more reasons later, but quickly changing his mind when it's pointed out it gives scum an easy reason to post. He is pushing hard for a Tackster lynch, which seems like an easy target considering how hard it can be to keep up with this thread. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On June 01 2011 16:02 hiro protagonist wrote: If you where Mafia, and this was the state of the thread, how would you play? Would you, post filler and un-helpful post? Or would you sit back and let the thread go? How about calling out all of the bad posters to make them look scummy, while making you look good? (please don't answer in the thread. this is for you to think about...) I know how I would play the game at this point if i was scum, and right now node is doing just that. I would also to some extent say Meapak_Ziphh is doing the same thing. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 14:12 Node wrote: Yeesh this thread is ridiculous. All right, after reading over redFF's posts I think that completely separate from his talk about his role (which is about the only thing that he has talked about for quite awhile) he's been largely useless. At the moment I'm unable to decide whether he's scummy or a bad townie, but I'm leaning towards the latter. So, I'm going to say this: RedFF, for the sake of the thread and the sanity of everyone in it, do more with less posting-wise. This is your only halfway decent post so far this game. I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions you're drawing there, but it at least shows a little effort towards things that actually matter. I'm going to put my vote on hiro protagonist for now. He's been largely concerned with Amber's posting and role, and has quite a few posts in the thread, but has done nothing helpful for... anybody, really. Even his questioning of Amber was just treading over familiar ground that others had already done. He's threatened to try to lynch anybody that talks to Amber without asking him a question directly (I think? hiro can be hard to understand), but hasn't followed up on that statement. He's just dead weight at this point and until I see him do something solid I'm going to be suspicious. I'm willing to continue rolling with this. On June 01 2011 01:25 Node wrote: I agree with the doggy. Chaos13 has been doing a really good job of contributing this far, and I think he's been extremely pro-town. sandroba, on the other hand, has done nothing since the beginning of the game, where he weakly pushed a plan that involved everybody claiming whose role they had made. He also endorses LAL policy lynches, which, in this setup.... ehhhhh. I won't critique his plans too harshly, but what sets my alarm bells a-ringin' is that he proposed these plans (easy for mafia to do to appear like they're contributing, not to mention the plans were likely doomed to fail anyways) and then promptly failed to do anything else. This was another of his posts from early in the game. I know it's a small thing, but this post in particular, as early in the game as it was, screams scum to me. Scum love to pile on aggressive pressure without content backing it up in little posts like these. ##Vote sandroba Also, it sounds silly, but I'm pretty sure Amber is town at this point. He's said a lot with very little and is clearly trying to help us out. On June 01 2011 10:02 Node wrote: Christ this three-way sandroba / redFF / Jackal catfight is terrible. I'm going to say this plain and simple: You guys are contributing nothing. You're inflating the thread with several pages of bitching that is only making it harder to get real scumhunting done. If I had to choose, I would say that none of you or two of you are mafia, and to be honest I don't think any of you are smart enough mafia to get in an endless fight in order to clog up the thread -- the only people that I've seen pull off that style successfully were Ace and Pandain in Insane Mafia 1. The real mafia are likely sitting back, sniping a bit here and there, and laughing at you. So please, think about what you say before you say it, and try to fit your arguments into concise posts instead of getting into these idiotic, de-railing spats. I'm fine with you being suspicious and arguing, but the way you're doing it won't get us anywhere. Make your case, and then let it be. I'm going to put my vote on Tackster for now. I agree that his big post is pointless. Plus, it's timing is impeccable, as its position in the thread is such that it can be easily skimmed and ignored without much scrutiny. I'm not sure about sandroba being scum, and I like that he's been posting more. Honestly, at this point I wish he'd shut up a little. First he calls me out. fine. I respond. Then nothing. Then he jumps on with voting for sandroba. sandroba yells uncle. node moves on. next up, Tackster. and thats where he sits. recently he called Prplhz scummy. ALL of these have been easy targets, given the state of the thread. All but sandroba (who he has started defending) have something in common: new or otherwise bad posters. node claims he his FoSing them to get them to shape up. This could be true. It could also be a way of slipping a bad townie up, in hopes that there reaction will be noticed by others as scummy, in hopes of an easy lynch. This is not to say I am voting for node. I just wanted everyone know how I feel about him. I dont have much of a scum read on anyone else (with the exception of Meapak_Ziphh, which I will go into later) I am curious as to who BC has in mind for a lynch. These are silly reasons to think that I'm scum, and if you think about it for a few minutes you'll realize that they're silly. (ask yourself: what part of my play thus far has actually benefited the mafia?) | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On June 01 2011 17:04 Node wrote: These are silly reasons to think that I'm scum, and if you think about it for a few minutes you'll realize that they're silly. (ask yourself: what part of my play thus far has actually benefited the mafia?) The part where you blend in as town. It gives you influence. come on now, there are sheep all around these parts, and you don't think the Mafia is gonna send in a wolf? If not you, then who? | ||
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stefftastiq
Norway205 Posts
Im including a few more quotes - it might clear up something to someone? This is your last claim - you have super role - guaranteed place in the lategame! ok! And everyone, take your votes off me, they're wasted. I'm guarrenteed (via role) to be in the lategame, so forgive me if I don't waste my time on bad analysis by overeager players on day 1. Votes are better spent somewhere else, and bullets are better spent on other players. And here you do it again As for the tunnelling thing: You clearly didn't read my post very closely. I am immune to pressure in this game. I don't give a flying fuck if you vote for me, its going to do nothing but waste your vote. I won't say anything else about my role, but I'm sure somebody will be able to figure it out. But this sir, was your shoutout to the noobies - Now, since we have a bunch of noobies in the game, I'll say something I always say to noobies: Be suspicious of people that appeal to their reputation. By this I mean that if you got bumatlarge telling you to drop your line of inquiry because he's the fucking batman, you should be more suspicious, not less. Following your orders sir. You might be scum, you might be town, you might be batman for all I know - but you made absolutely no effort to either say what I could have been doing better in my overagerposting - nor did you say what I did wrong - it was a plain and simple "shut down" of the post - which you have done several times with other posts as well - thats not town friendly at all. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4262 Posts
On June 01 2011 03:14 Palmar wrote: Yo bro, I just gotta clarify this shit. I aint voting on Varpulis based on his plan, everyone can make a bad plan man. If you actually bothered to read my analysis, I'm voting for him on blatant personality change from his last game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=23#455 get yo facts strait bro, I only mention the plan as supplemental to my analysis, the main reason that bitch gonna get hanged is he's acting like a pussy. Let's see it done fellas #Fistpound DropBear First of all man, sorry but I'm not going to return your offer. I am worried about what it would do. Look at the rest of my post. It wasn't just Sandroba who was jumped on for offering a bad plan, Varpulis was as well. I'm liking the effort that you are putting in but I'm not convinced. Varpulis has been still very active and doing his best. He got timid briefly after being told he was playing poorly, so what? He's back to his normal self again now. I would put a lot of money on both Sandroba and Varpulis being town. Wiggles, what? I have to say that I strongly disagree. You are worrying me, you just seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. On June 01 2011 10:38 sinani206 wrote: 4) 10. kitaman27 acting like he was in XXXIX, where he was Mafia 12. Tackster useless theorycrafting 14. tnkted like i said above, useless 25. Torte de Lini so many posts elsewhere on TL. a purposeful lurker Nice to know that somebody agrees. I still think kita is dodgy as hell, if one of these others comes up as a candidate I will gladly switch to them. | ||
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DropBear
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Returned offer by Palmar GMarshal Node tnkted Kurumi sandroba Offered it to Palmar without being asked VisceraEyes Mataza Ignored invitation from Palmar Amber[Light] redFF Meapak_Zipph Eternalmisfit DropBear | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
Scum reads- Tackster Mataza Varpulis(not sure, his posting has improved) and now i'm off be back in like 6 hours :D | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
He also voted me because Amber hasn't confirmed his zodiac list, and that has been all Mataza has posted about before then. This vote goes directly against what he said earlier about his vote meaning something and how he only intended to vote once. If you are going to talk like that then you surely can't place a vote with as little reasoning and thought than the one you put on me. You're making obvious contradictions and contributing nothing. Mataza is scum! | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've got a survey. 1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment? 2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia? 3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it? 4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone? 5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most? 6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now? 7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST? If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions. You suggested lynching/killing BC because he is "Leader of Town",nice try but Incog played EXACTLY same style in PYPI,where I tried to get him killed as Mafia. When someone plays an important role in Town's mind they'll stay there and every slip is going to be caught. That survey is shit. "Hey guys I am Mafia and I need some help who to kill and how to behave" Nope. You went downhill Viscera. As I thought nobody is going to lynch bum,not even kita. Wiggles "Don't worry bros,I will come in,vote on the guy the bandwagon is forming,he is the most safest vote,You know." I will keep eye on You,Wiggles,this and BC's point about You derailing the thread makes me really suspicious,so take this as a warning ##Vote:Mr.Wiggles BC,Prp's case is a bit fishy,I agree.Though we can't do anything about him now,because he is just a coward,I mean,he does not want go get lynched for the same reasons Tackster would. I'd like to point out the change in Barundar's meta - in PYPI he was NEARLY lynched for being aggressive,insanely pro-town and such,now he is making opinions,though trying to stay low. This gives some town vibes in my opinion,he is playing safe,because he know how can it end. Sand gives me a lot of town vibes also. He is really emotional in his posts and want US to believe him,sign of desperate townie (just like me in XXXIX) BloodyCobbler is my best bet for townie right now,if we've got any medics get ready to work during the night,this might get ugly. I dislike how Mataza did not respond to my questions. Are You scared? You told me and Bum to stop arguing,disappeared. Tnkted case is simple : alignment check him,easy as that. I still believe there's a connection between bum and kitaman,so with redff and amber. While the first case is scum in my opinion,the second sounds more town,though "I need to vote to talk" thing might be easily used to avoid being suspected,because You don't need to jump on a bandwagon as scum. I agree we should take a main suspect ,because in PYPI there were 3 (6 votes,6 votes,7 votes as far I remember) every was townie,giving mafia EAAAAAASY lynch. I am sorry for being spammy and stuff,that's kind of my playstyle. | ||
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