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To begin with, I wasn't very impressed with the commentating. But as of late, their style has really grown on me. The casual banter filling in the down time, mixed with the high-ish level of analogy that doesn't get to a point where a non-sc2 player is left clueless is spot on in my opinion.
I've definitely seen the improvement even though the GSL has only been going for a short time. I enjoy the chemistry between the two.
Question: is there a reason for only two commentators? I think having a 3rd can really open the dynamics, and can make the slow times much easier to entertain through.
Keep up the good work guys... another $20 well spent here.
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On September 14 2010 20:23 Keitzer wrote: I've seen all but 1 game... and to be honest, it's better than Husky and/or HD.. might not be saying much but it's not as bad as people are saying it is...
I know Day[9] is a friggin' pro at it, and Tasteless is his brother, but he comes like one notch below
Personally, i love their casting, especially their comedy Honestly I prefer the more laid back, humorous commentating style they have together. Their cheesy jokes have made me rofl on several occasions and the commentary is incredibly entertaining, which is the point for me. There's just enough game knowledge supplemented by artosis to round it out.
I know I'm blasphemous and probably alone, but I prefer it to Day9. I don't really need a starcraft 101 lesson, and 'Tastosis' are the perfect fit for funny comments mixed in while I'm already following the direction of the game. I fully expect to be struck down by the Day9 gods, but I can only be told something is a 'huge blunder' or 'the most standard thing in the world' so many times.
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My own constructive criticism: - Artosis, and to a lesser extent Tasteless, should try to mention bw less than they currently do. While I don't mind it too much, my impression is that a good number of people watching GSL didn't follow bw too much (if at all) and they'd rather not hear about bw so often. - Tasteless should almost never zoom in on units or buildings. I noticed he does this a lot to highlight an important tech structure, but I think mentioning it and clicking on it is enough. Zooming in overdoes it with the focus.
Other than that, you guys area doing a great job. My brother and I often stay up until 3 or 4 a.m. to watch GSL. You guys are very funny. Please don't change that
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I think today is proof that Tast and osis read the feedback they're getting, since their casting was considerably higher quality today than previously (though I always thought they were doing a great job). They've improved in every way, Production tab is almost always open, no more random zooming in (though you can see Tasteless' struggle against his instincts to do that!), more analysis. Sure they got a little bored during the more boring moments of the more boring games today but that's understandable.
Considering that it's still ro64 and the quality of games isn't exactly the highest it could be, and the fact that they're doing this almost every day and for hours, I doubt there is any other caster duo that could maintain this kind of entertainment value every day. Too many people are comparing this genuine regular live content to one-off casts of ro16 and up games, pre-watched replays and semi-scripted youtube casts. This is as good as it gets in this setting folks.
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On September 10 2010 07:09 JWD wrote: The number one thing I'd like to see out of Artosis and Tasteless is for them to treat this more like a job and less like a hobby. By that I mean I'd like to see that they prepared for the matches before casting them. Many times they seem not to know anything about the players involved. Can we get some background, anecdotes, anything? This is the sort of stuff that is crucial to developing a young game — we need to know the players to root for them!
Overall I think Artosis and Tasteless make a good combo though. I'd love to see Artosis go as in-depth on strategy as he did in his BW commentaries.
Yes this spot on. Hype the match, tell us about the players. I remember the Terran vs Idra, when they hyped the match abit with his ghost play. More of this with every new game.
I also much rather listening to korean commentator in brood war, even though I dont know 1 word of korean. The emotions these casters can get through, and the great camera control is so professional.
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On September 10 2010 06:43 godzillathrilla wrote: Overall I feel you're doing an excellent job for just starting
haha he's been doing this for years >.<
but i agree that tasteless professionalism seems to have slipped with the sc2 transition. we was a much better commentator with BW, which was a game he knew far more about.
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On September 14 2010 20:42 Blind wrote: - Tasteless should almost never zoom in on units or buildings. I noticed he does this a lot to highlight an important tech structure, but I think mentioning it and clicking on it is enough. Zooming in overdoes it with the focus. If there's nothing else going on, I really don't see the problem with this. Especially when he just does it for a second.
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I feel that tasteless is a great caster and commenter but should work on not saying "um" so much. It really slows the commenting down and does get distracting. Its not something that will change in a few days but I hope he works on that. Other then that good stuff, you guys are really funny together.
Also I would like to say that Artosis is a surprisingly solid and funny commenter. I seen some of his solo work and noticed compared to this that he really feeds off of other people's energy making him 10x better then alone.
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I feel that people think that Tasteless was a lot better back in SC1 is because before him there was never really a good English commentator. So everyone treated him like a God. Now their are quite a few good commentators and are no longer in awe of English casting. But Tasteless is still a amazing commentator.
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Artosis and Tasteless reads this forum. Why wont they? i think its cute to come with tips like this, i bet they have seen it by now.
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This thread is crazy.
Tasteless and Artosis have done a great job! They're thoroughly entertaining. Tasteless can sometimes seem simple minded but it's endearing. I was watching today's stream and Tasteless commented on himself being dyslexic, I joked to my friend, 'No surprise there'.
I love the banter, Tasteless adds the humour and excitement and Artosis is there with decent insight and summaries of the players.
Possible improvements for me would be:
More details on the players. Sure as someone pointed out this could be GOMTV's fault however Artosis and Tasteless are now a part of GOMTV. If one part of the team forgets or screws something up, it's good to pick that up for them and if it's too much work then maybe just to suggest they help out with it for the next season.
You know what? Anything past that is purely pedantic. Great casting guys!
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On September 15 2010 00:03 Tevinhead wrote: This thread is crazy.
Tasteless and Artosis have done a great job! They're thoroughly entertaining. Tasteless can sometimes seem simple minded but it's endearing. I was watching today's stream and Tasteless commented on himself being dyslexic, I joked to my friend, 'No surprise there'.
I love the banter, Tasteless adds the humour and excitement and Artosis is there with decent insight and summaries of the players.
Possible improvements for me would be:
More details on the players. Sure as someone pointed out this could be GOMTV's fault however Artosis and Tasteless are now a part of GOMTV. If one part of the team forgets or screws something up, it's good to pick that up for them and if it's too much work then maybe just to suggest they help out with it for the next season.
You know what? Anything past that is purely pedantic. Great casting guys!
Yeah, improving is bad. :S
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It's hard to define improvement. What is perfect casting? I feel they cover all the necessary bases and that things that people might feel 'should' be improved are their negligible flaws that give their casts so much more character. There are no GLEAMING flaws in their cast and for the most part it's very entertaining.
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On September 15 2010 00:28 Tevinhead wrote: It's hard to define improvement. What is perfect casting? I feel they cover all the necessary bases and that things that people might feel 'should' be improved are their negligible flaws that give their casts so much more character. There are no GLEAMING flaws in their cast and for the most part it's very entertaining.
Well, there's a clear difference between "casting casually on a lievstream account" and casting games for money in a huge tournament, and i feel they should really strive to become better, because right now their still just two people casually casting games and not really putting a real effort into it.
You should always strive to get better, and when you miss that a guy is making battlecruisers twice in a row, you're not trying hard enough.
The OP and several posters has valid points, which would all improve them as casters, so why not do that?
The latest games you can really see that they have taken pointers from this thread, like keeping production tab up, not zooming so much, moving their screen slower etc, that's a good thing.
You don't have to immediately come to their "defense" just because some guys says what they think would make them better casters.
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I'm sorry that I didn't specify. This thread is crazy, not necessarily the OP but some of the expectation and criticism here is way OTT and a lot of it certainly not fair. I'm very laid back so for me to post more than what I did would feel pedantic. I'm not saying valid points haven't been made. I'm more throwing a curve-ball here on opinion.
'like keeping production tab up, not zooming so much, moving their screen slower etc' - Agree to those being good things. A discussion thread for me evolves as the pages fill up, barring a few posts people start to come to conclusion through reading opinions. So I was just throwing out the other side of the story.
In the paragraph you just quoted I think I was more jumping to my own defense. =P
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I think it's very hard to commentate while controlling the camera... But saying they don't have a future as casters, and comparing them do hd and husky......
I'm loving the commentary, with time it'll only get better.
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Put on a baller foux hawk like Artosis.
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learn to use follow!! (ctrl+shift+F) especially for battles or when following a push it looks waaaay nicer. /broken record
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And idk what sup with suit jackets and t-shirts, its not cool, go for either a suit jacket and a nice shirt, or don't wear it.
also follow looks cool and thanks, i didn't know the hotkey
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Tonight's gsl cast was pretty bad towards the end when tasteless kept cutting artosis off. (4th game end especially)
I think artosis and tasteless need more synergy going on. Casters need to pass the mic(not literally) back and forth with respect, but tonight tasteless was pretty much off the wall with "uh" and "um", and artosis didn't get any words in at all.
Tasteless also has a habit of interrupting people talking with 'yea', 'i totally agree'. It usually derails artosis, and it also happens in other events like sotg(episode 7) or the gomtv classic.
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